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Required Resources: = bigb12 = bigb12 = KAMINO TFD = president mccarthy GATO = 308 Cowboy Wolfpack = Chomskonia TDP = Dustyman 1TF = president mccarthy GATO = Dustyman 1TF = Chomskonia TDP = 308 Cowboy Wolfpack = KAMINO TFD

Only need one more person, Aluminum and Coal!

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No sorry, you have lead and spice. Spice is a non needed resource and lead has all ready been taken. But thank you for the offer

president mccarthy your added. XxSnipezxX, all ready have some one taking up the rubber spot. Sorry.

that would bump me out of my own trade circle since I have two crappy resources, Gold and Silver. Got to much time and effort invested in my current nation to re roll.

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Required Resources: = = = KAMINO TFD = president mccarthy GATO = 308 Cowboy Wolfpack = Chomskonia TDP = Dustyman 1TF = president mccarthy GATO = Dustyman 1TF = Chomskonia TDP = 308 Cowboy Wolfpack = KAMINO TFD

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Sorry, I can not change color

wonder how I screwed that one up, okay, this is an 8BR not 7 sorry.

A truly sad day. I really thought you guys were going to make it. Yet again, another tragedy to Bob.

SORRY, MISLEADING TITLE, THIS IS 8BR, NOT 7BR. ALUMINUM COAL - Ada069 NpO GEMS - GOLD - KAMINO TFD IRON - LEAD - LUMBER - Chomskonia TDP MARBLE - OIL - RUBBER - Chomskonia TDP SILVER - KAMINO TFD URANIUM - Ada069 NpO BONUS RESOURSES ASPHALT AUTOMOBILES CONSTRUCTION MICROCHIPS RADIATION CLEANUP SCHOLARS STEEL FINE JEWELRY PLEASE POST WITH YOUR NATION LINK AND WHAT SLOTS YOU WILL TAKE.

What does this mean? Are you saying that you want to change the image of the red team from the one established by NPO? Is there some level of hostility or the desire of take over of the red sphere?

and does it work well? Have you had any problems with fraud?

BARREL MODEL (slightly different from the 5x5) 23OCT09 So I was laying in bed last night and thinking about economics here on Bob and I had this idea and would like to run it by you guys and see what you think. It works like this. 10 persons 5 Sellers 5 Buyers Seller 1 sends 50 tech to Buyer 1 Buyer 1 sends $3MIL to seller 2 Seller 2 sends 50 tech to Buyer 2 etc... Forms a complete circle Seller Benefits $3MIL every 10 days for a total of $12MIL a month Buyer Benefits 50 tech every 10 days for a total of 200 Tech a month Step 2: Tier two -Includes same people just reorganized. Seller Benefits with two tier $3MIL every 5 days for a total of $24MIL a Month Buyer Benefits 400 tech a month Step 3: Buyers and sellers within the circle set up one normal tech deal of $3mil for 100 tech Seller benefits total $27/30MIL a month Buyer Benefits total 500/550 Tech a month requierments. five open aid slots, buyers must be able to produce $4/4.5 MIL every 5 days Minimum. What do you guys think? I am working on a diagram now, will post tonight.

Well, the whole thing was not going to be just one post, lol. There was actually supposed to be a long series of papers with the express intent on bringing people to question there beliefs or ideals with a constant reinforcement that the emperor is the will of the alliance as opposed to the alliance being the will of the emperor, and should the emperor become disruptive of the ideals and desires of the people he can be removed and replaced with a new emperor that better reflects the will of the people. Now mind you, this paper does not need be true, because people will believe what they want, and there are very few people that will actually go research the paper themselves. So by taking a subject that would be supported i.e. direct democracies are bad and dictatorships are good, I would be able to slip in a little extra without much notice or opposition. After this ideal is constantly brought to the light of the people, the next step would be to demonize the Emperor and show how horrible he is. This can be done by many ways, whether it’s a new treaty with some alliance (which you can always find dirt on) past mistakes and much more. While at the same time direct democratic alliances would form a Direct-Democratic military and economic BLOC. The ultimate intent was to have other like minded individuals (hence my attempted recruitment of the former members of Vox Populi) to take up posts in other alliances, and once they had all reached acceptable levels of governance, to begin forming/altering treaties to create two equal, but opposing factions, and then just stand back and light the match. This would bring down the dictatorships by a massive war, and allow those direct democratic alliances to supersede them and take there place as the top alliances on Bob. Now mind you, ultimately, this plan would take years to implement. The problem came when I posted on the OWF. The intent here was to show the alliance of how "dedicated" I was to my paper/ideal. But there was a problem I failed to see, that former and current members of my alliance, and there allies who knew me, would begin shooting my paper to heck and I would be proven to be a liar. The insults that followed in PM's to me where over whelming and it was that pressure that caused me to abandon my plan and come clean. Posting in the OWF was just an all round bad move, had it not been for that I would still be posting more "papers" on the alliance website, continuing to get little pats on the back, much like I had received from the first one (or at least I interpreted it to be taken rather well in the alliance forums for bashing direct democracies) So yes, if I was ignorant enough to think that I could change the entire structure of an alliance with just one post, it could be said that I am indeed an idiot with false ideals of grandeur. However it was a simple mistake that ultimately caused this plan to fail. This plan can still work, but not by me as I would be suspected in the future. The threat will always come from new or quite players who may have strong ties to the rich and powerful who have a desire to see others fail. For those of you who think you are safe from this kind of attack, you had better take a long hard look at yourselves because you are just as susceptible to this as any one else, as the rulers of nations are in fact human and are susceptible to persuasion of ideas. Immediate members may not be affected by this plan, but future generations who join will think that this is standard ideology of the alliance and they will be the other faction within the alliance. And that's all I have to say on this thread. You all can sit here and debate, insult and state your opinions (which every one has, because bob seems to be filled with a lot of self proclaimed genius' and physiologists’) as much as you like, I'm done. I'm done with espionage, clandestine operations, and the OWF. I’m off to just do my best and help out however I can. Kamino, out.

Wow, this is amazingly sad. You guys really had a cool aura about you, and you were deffinatly different. I wish you all the best of luck.

Well from what I have seen, and am slowly starting to actually change my ideals slightly. I think maybe a representative democracy. There are a few reasons I am starting to shift to this... 1. It is easier to overthrow a few people who govern rather than an entire alliance that is involved in all aspects of governance, i.e. I think I may be supporting a rep dem because its a bit more susceptible to revolution (and I love revolution, so romantic!) as opposed to a direct dem. 2. Places a sense of obligation on the elected officials 3. A bit faster debates (this varies depending on the alliance's activity and laws in which debate periods and such are regulated) 4. Just had a discussion about this one, but I PERSONALLY think that most people don't know what there really talking about, i.e. you don't let a carpenter do brain surgery on you, or let a lawyer build your house, so why let some one who knows very little about politics (possibly even myself) to participate in politics? 5. Representatives represent maybe by strength range that they belong to or some other equivalent. But I believe that a rep dem must have certain criteria... 1. 100% transparency(this may regulate freedom of speech, but only to a point where it is determined not what can be said but rather where it is to be said (i.e. responsible freedom of speech)). 2. It must have public voting of the government officials to show the people if there rep is voting in there best interests. 3. Elected reps can not hold other public offices to consolidate there power. 4. The people must have a way of recalling there rep should they deem him unfit or not representing the people. I do not support a monarchy/dictatorship as there is to much power invested in one individual which would make him susceptible to corruption (lets face it, he is human) I have no desire to take commands and be sent to war on the whim of one pimple faced kid because he got his panties bent out of shape. That's pretty much it for now.

I look forward to it

LOL, I think not, Francoism is my mortal enemy of political ideals. But thanks for the offer, its the thought that counts.