Bob Ilyani
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MoG[Leaks] Exclusive!
mostly just because I didnt see them posted, from what I can tell, this would be more harmful to those 31 nations than what the Polar coalition is offering, since the high NS nations in question would be sending the tech, not low NS nations.
And as you can tell from the same logs you posted, we don't want those terms.
We aren't going to let NPO martyr themselves for the next war with stupid reps terms. There's a reason we're going along the path that we are rather than asking for tech reps like Farrin offered.
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Agreed, but with the recent obnoxiousness, I had to take precautions as I will be busy today :P
Why not just make them World Affairs posts? If you're afraid of the discussion getting drowned out or what not. They'll remain up there so long as they are active. If you want them linked to a blog, just make one blog post with a list of all of them and update it constantly. That way people who visit your profile can see it.
...or let's not do things the easy way. What do I know, anyways?
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Those are pretty great, Hershey.
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Dude, while it's not against any rules to post a blog and a topic of the same thing, try to stay away from making it a regular deal. It's kind of obnoxious and splits the discussion of the issue anyways.
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ah thankyou for pointing out we had 120 nations in wars.. so given that 120 out of 153(including the 22 your talking about) that is what percentage hmmmm....78 % approx .. hmmm so that is what in relation to other AAs cough cough one that in particular has had only around 50 percent nation at war period ? Geeesh like i mentioned in a earlier post ... learn to do the twist the right way... As a matter of fact it is quite possible at this point we have already taken more damage than the DH war period and then we were made to bring out our banks at the time and it took two years almost to get back to what we were then until this war.
Apples to oranges and you know it. If you don't, look back over the half dozen times that the difference has been explained, and maybe that will permeate your Body Republic hivemind.
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Let's try it this way: I'll take your advice on loosening my use on academic prose, in favor of a simple and casual style. I know what you write means something and I'll have to follow your lesson, Bob. Point taken, but the red coding stays. :D
Glad to hear it... being able to understand and adapt to constructive criticism is something that few new rulers understand nowadays, and I think that's done significant damage to the culture of the OWF (among other things). Good luck and I hope you're for real on this one.
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I lack the kindred spirit with those certain few I criticized because they represent the opposite of what is cultivated and adept in the Cyber Nations game. I realize that I am not the paradisaical user that the game has awaited; I have no grandiose allusions of pivotal importance within the forum community, but I deserve the same respect that everyone deserves to receive. I am not bothered by the notion that I could be incorrect foregrounding certain areas of discourse. It is fine with me should you share some concern you wish to voice, Luckao. I will not protest raggedly over it.
Basic respect is given up to a point. When the community knows enough about someone to determine whether or not they deserve said respect, then things change.
We seem to be on a pretty strong collision point towards you not necessarily having any respect here. Yes, part of it is the damn verbosity. It makes your posts on a casual forum a pain to read (the red text and different font don't help either) and it makes you come across as a try hard who is itching to show how intellectual they are at every opportunity. While we should be open to new members and styles of posting, there's a limit to that that I believe you've crossed.
In short, you have a narrow window of opportunity to establish your image here before people begin to drop judgements down upon you. That's just the way it is. Don't attempt to prove you're intelligent with big words, because no one buys it. Prove you're intelligent with your actions.
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Then maybe it is something for you to look forward too. Okay lets really show .... NPO has what 290 nations ... and only 33 have not been to war. When i look at this it seems most of our AA has been fighting and not only fighting but dealing with what 9 or 10 AA on us. Considering we have only entered this war on a treaty to defend a nation, you in turn want only hamper us for rebuilding them that did fight. The majority understand what them nations use are for with us and it is up to us what the do. As a matter of fact it is every indviduals choice whether or not they fight. Then if they belong to a AA then it is up to that AA what their function maybe. And dont sit there and say banks are passe as that is crap in itself ... Dont tell me TOP does not have tech banks. Do not tell me that Polar has no banks of any kind. And with respect to Umbrella and say Goons ... well the whole world knows that Umbrella is GOONS bank when it comes down to it. Point of all this is each AA functions as it sees fit. No one should deligate the use of nations as they see fight cause then you might as well bring back Viceroys. The only problem is that what some have forgot is the EQ war was to bring Equalibrium to the planet which it had did. But it seems that some forgot that and are now fighting for a Coalition that wants to bring back the unequal status we had before the EQ war. Of course we can lay blame but what for as we can just sum it up to greed and power and whom wants to be the Power. For years NPO was called the evil ones and now with the terms your trying to force upon us, that evililty is being brought back. Whether or not depending on whose oppinion it is of harshness, that is the point of the thread that NPO is not going to stand for terms which bring it down to insignificance and let them that want a on sided world to be able to rise to domination as the world was before the EQ war.
I shouldn't even bother replying to this, but hey... no, TOP does not have banks. Polar does not have banks. GOONS is not Umbrella's bank.
You seem to be confusing banks with tech sellers, which is somewhat sad because Pacifica is the only alliance daft enough to still use banks. Yes, we have tech sellers. They're currently fighting in this war. If you even attempted to gain an understanding about what these peace negotiations are actually about rather than just drinking Kool-Aid PacificTM it'd go a long way in making your arguments less inane and more rational.
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I love it.
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Man a person with a real education ... and to add considering the size of NPO and the fact most of our upper tier was actually warring and the damage we have taken ... we have had at least 150 nations fighting, hence the amount of Damage for you stats people. How many of the other Coalitions actually have 150 nations in them that have been fighting.
Except for, you know, the 30 or so that haven't been, nor have they fought for the entire war. May be easy for you to forget them, but you better know that we haven't.
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Uh oh, incoming GPA hit on the major parties post war :mellow:
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Trying to sound like some aloof intellectual is making you look like a bit of a prat. Just talk normally, and you can argue the points you want to, rather than discussing your obviously fantastic vocabulary.
Very much this. The tone of the OWF is generally casual, you're not writing a thesis paper or anything. The whole pulling a muscle to use big words by Malkavian just gives me a vibe of this:
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Methrage, I know you typically don't think before you post, but I'd think you would have been here long enough not to stoop to Loki-type tinfoil posts.
When a power of old is "tossed out", the old one will largely remain the same. Then you and your lot will tinker off to the other side of the conflict, get your keyboards out and type up these sort of "CN Revolution" posts again. Why do you think it'll be different this time?
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I understand that half of your alliance are hiding in peace mode while demanding that NPO be punished for using peace mode. That makes you a bunch of hypocritical cowards.
There's literally no point attempting to make you understand the way wars that conclude with victors and losers. Have you ever even looked at a peace treaty before?
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Anyone who demands so desperately to be respected must not have done enough to earn it.
Well I'm quoting his sig, which in turn is quoting a song lyric, but hey. You know me, always working hard to get others to respect me.
On a similar note of "earning respect", what has GATO done in years, aside from being old, inactive, and CN's "first democracy"? Last I've noticed the only thing GATO has done is democratically move from being one person's lapdog to the next. So who are you to talk to me (or anyone else, really) about earning respect?
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Meet TOP circa 2006-2014.
Honestly, I love how you are trying to blame us. You should go full bore into us being the devil of CN.You may hate me, but you will respect
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From what I've heard, the offered terms require NPO nations who were in peace mode throughout the war to remain in peace mode for an extended period of time. That may not be entirely accurate, as I don't hang out in the back rooms and such, but that's my understanding.
It seems to me that if NPO is required to do that, TOP should be required to do the same, considering half of their AA has been in peace mode the entire war. And TOP were the agressors, the ones that started the ware. NPO only joined due to treaty ties, to defend their ally.Holy shit, I haven't heard something so dumb on the OWF in a while, and that's saying a lot given the contents of this thread.
You do understand there are victorious and defeated parties here, yes?
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The Body Republic =/= Equilibrium Coalition
Well, you're not incorrect, but let's not forget that NPO actively entered into fronts it was not engaged in (the TOP/AZTEC front comes to mind) in order to take a greater role in peace negotiations that it felt were not proceeding in its own interests.
So the circumstances here are quite a bit different.
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If you make me a Hans Landa TOP sig I'll go back to using that theme when the war is over. ;)
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LOL that's not what I said at all.
Not surprising to see this kind of deep, thoughtful response from the guy with a Transformers Megan Fox avatar.
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Yeah, that's the one. Are you implying the whole fiasco somehow reflects badly on NPO? I mean you are free to your own opinion obviously but could you explain your reasoning to me please?
As poorly as it does on Valhalla. Making no nuke deals with your wartime opponents is a pretty shitty thing to do to your coalition, regardless of the circumstances.
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Valhalla's pathetic "no-nuking" deal
You mean the one that NPO agreed to, and also held up their end of? I'm not saying it wasn't a reprehensible thing to do (I think it was pretty scummy tbh) but you're acting like Val just decided "we aren't going to nuke NPO because we feel like it!" and as though there wasn't a similar policy in place coming from Pacifica.
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No you are wrong.
punative means : inflicting or intended as punishment.
reparations means : the action of making amends for a wrong one has done, by providing payment or other assistance to those who have been wronged.
The 'assistance' is that your coalition will gain from NPOs top players being removed from all post-war economic activity via aid-restrictions. This benefits your coalitions. And its punative because you are using it as a punishment.
Ooooooh, the Webster's Dictionary argument. So effective!
You're obviously new here, or inexperienced at most. The terms offered to NPO are in response to their tactical decisions made over the course of the war. Any potential benefit to us is purely coincidental and unintended. ;)
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Your opinion matters more to you maybe. But lets keep on topic its punitive reparations.
No, they aren't. They aren't reparations, as reps would imply some sort of material gain on our behalf-i.e. you pay me x million. That isn't happening here.
A Message from the Emperor of the New Pacific Order
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
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Given the amount of times you and other NoR members have gone "we don't care about the NPO element of this, we're just here to defend our allies in NG", I'm going to go ahead and say that these thought processes are above your pay grade, buttercup.