shilo

A classical MPK. Backtracking using semantics in attempts to justify personal hypocrisy.

[quote name='flak attack' date='16 June 2010 - 07:52 PM' timestamp='1276710728' post='2339643'] Had I known about it before now, I probably would have said something then. It's something I see as a common courtesy. At this point, it's pretty irrelevant though. No, he's not criticizing their treaty status at all. Synth has no problem with going without them. He's criticizing entry without a DoW. [/quote] He can criticize, he has done so while he still was with the gRAMlins, and still is whining about it now. However, we are by no means required to inform the enemy attacking our ally without a treaty requirement that he should have checked that treaty list before attacking our ally, because then this might not have been so surprising or shocking (I admit the fact that we shocked the gRAMlins when at that time they had about 6 times our NS is a nice thing to know ) When you attack an alliance without treaties, it is your responsibility to know that this will (big shocker, I know) trigger their mutual defense pacts. It is not the responsibility of the allies of the attacked nation to inform you that you now are in a state of war with them. Our treaties are public, so anyone who wants to know what will happen if an ally of ours gets attacked can read them at various sources.

[quote name='silentkiller' date='15 June 2010 - 07:06 PM' timestamp='1276621593' post='2338366'] Always happy to help!!! [/quote] Thank you for making him happy, we wouldn't wanna have it any other way

[quote name='shahenshah' date='11 June 2010 - 12:20 AM' timestamp='1276208418' post='2332198'] You still not have picked our strategy in ~2 months? Sometimes I wonder if the display of irrationality is genuine or is it deliberate...e.g. We had one Gre nation spend 100s of million of his warchest..in 10? days....on buying tech directly himself, no aid slots . [/quote] I admit, I was stunned to see his WC drop from half a billion to a handful of million so quickly. Cunning strategy for sure... definitely better than ours.

[quote name='SynthFG' date='10 June 2010 - 07:34 PM' timestamp='1276191272' post='2331778'] He should have done so weeks ago However in typical IRON style he has hit completely the wrong targets [/quote] Actually, he very much hit the right targets.

[quote name='Hydro' date='10 June 2010 - 10:51 AM' timestamp='1276159900' post='2331468'] You know it's funny that there would be so much international condemnation directed toward the Gremlins over their decision to remain at war. It has to be a first for an alliance that has essentially acted honorably to be the subject of such vitriol. They have acted in an upright manner (No spying, hacking etc.) and yet simply because they choose to be the masters of their own foreign policy, a mob has descended upon them to throw rubbish and refuse at them, as if they were some sort of criminal organization for staying true to their ideals. Where most seem to see a group of villains, I see a stalwart, close-knit alliance standing firm and true, despite an incredible amount of opposition. In the spirit of standing firm and not bending your back to outside pressure, I salute you Gremlins. o/ Gremlins [/quote] The gRAMlins are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites who are completely out of touch with reality to a point where their alliance is on the path of self-destruction. They presumably pursue IRON and my alliance for a crime they have committed themselves as well, they want to morality rectify a situation where the perceived victim of the act which they are prosecuting has long since agreed to a form of compensation from the presumed criminals. They chose to limit their moral crusade in scale on a smaller part of the group which appearently committed the crime by rationalization of real-politics and strategy, yet their entire war is supposedly based on moral standards, which then in turn serves as justification for the giant strategical and tactical mess up this war has been, let alone the political fallout of their actions. They fail morally because they are hypocrites acting inconsistently, they fail politically because they harmed their reputation more than anyone else could have done, alienating many people an alliances in the process, they fail strategically because they are currently losing a conflict which they already had won, they fail tactically because their nations are outnumbered and get beaten down one by one. It is simply put, completely incredible to fail so thoroughly and completely on such a grand scale on every level, failure does not even describe it anymore.

Hey, my beer is not just good, it's awesome. Not even an angel's tear tastes better than my best brew

We are trying to speed things up, but the gRAMlins are not dying fast enough

Nice government lineup TOP

[quote name='caligula' date='09 June 2010 - 02:31 AM' timestamp='1276043490' post='2329369'] I am trying to say that nothing is going to satisfy you. We could do awesome bike tricks and cartwheels but we'd be criticized for poor form. [/quote] [quote name='Iamrecognized' date='09 June 2010 - 05:47 AM' timestamp='1276055253' post='2329646'] About what? Someone claimed that we were not sovereign alliances and not able to make our own decisions. That's just simply untrue, if you read the treaty. And that's all he was claiming. So what's the concrete point? [/quote] [quote name='Cormalek' date='09 June 2010 - 08:02 AM' timestamp='1276063330' post='2329884'] I'm pretty sure that Myth's post was made in wider context, and admittedly makes little sense for people not knowing what we have at mind (which seems to be main curse of all us Harmlins ;-) ). As to the Harmlin accords thingie - admittedly, it was not written to elaborate rescinding/keeping of sovereignty, but rather to make us as close as possible, while adding some failsafe additions. Parts III and IV can be interpreted as losing sovereignty, while part V mentions precise policies and situations that show we do not lose it. I think we can agree to disagree here, as I can hardly see any arguments made by either side that would appease disputants (unless someone can prove me wrong, then please do, for I am bored (ooc:flu ). [/quote] My post was a direct response to the above post, which clearly said no matter what we do, it won't satisfy you. I then only said that playing the poor hated victim (which to me this sounds like) doesn't work because MHA doesn't really fit into the category. As I said, if a discussion regarding the treaty is not desired, it sounds weak to rationalize this by saying you won't discuss it because people would just hate you anyways. I did not discuss the treaty details, nor did I refer to them, since caligula already pulled a MPK by saying that only your interpretation has any merit. Since no one else then can have a opinion about this public document, attempts to discuss the details are futile, not to mention that the only argument of interest in the greater context of this thread is the end of this treaty, not the details on how you are or are not completely sovereign (my argument would be that any mandatory defense treaty takes away some sovereignty as price for protection, the situation here likely is no different). The answer to this has been long since given, it ranges from "42" to "I won't say" to "we'll see when it comes to it" which boils down to "the treaty is done when gRAMlins finally die and other than that we like to keep things vague cause it's fun".

Lol, looks someone is looking to get a persecution complex Sorry to disappoint, but I don't think MHA will make it to list of "poor people hated by all for no other reason than their very existance" anytime soon. People here are making very concrete points, trying to paint this as general resentment against your alliance is a rather poor attempt to not wanting to discuss their points, no matter if they have merit or not.

[quote name='Cataduanes' date='07 June 2010 - 08:02 AM' timestamp='1275890532' post='2327526'] Congratz DAWN. DAWN is doomed [/quote] [quote name='franciscus' date='08 June 2010 - 01:17 AM' timestamp='1275952649' post='2328288'] It's all part of my master plan Also, thanks to all the friends congratulating us. Stop by for beer from shilo's private stash. [/quote] Yeah, Fran is kind like that offering [u]my[/u] beer for free

Congratulation on those pretty impressive gains Gondor, you guys definitely are an upstart alliance

[quote name='Booter' date='08 June 2010 - 07:07 AM' timestamp='1275973612' post='2328577'] [i]The only thing we haven't told you are the exact terms.[/i] We've been waiting for this for over 2 months and none of you still have a clue of what they are. [/quote] [quote name='savethecheerleader' date='08 June 2010 - 07:49 AM' timestamp='1275976149' post='2328602'] I get the feeling that IRON and DAWN are eager to see their terms of surrender just so that they can laugh at them at this point. Seriously, Graemlins, how can you stand to carry on such a charade? [/quote] Actually, I don't really give a damn about those "terms" anymore, not even for the sake of laughing even more about the gRAMlins. Haven't for a while now. Whatever the gRAMlins thought up in the fantasy-world of theirs really doesn't matter to anyone anymore. They can accept our terms, we made them public, those are the only terms that matter.

Congrats guys on getting this off your back. We all know TORN can move... well we do know that

Excellent reviews of course, now I do feel the need to drink some beer though.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' date='07 June 2010 - 03:08 AM' timestamp='1275872915' post='2327057'] I've been following the "resurrection" the Filipino Heroes AA. At first it consisted of a single re-roll nation who shortly afterward went inactive (now at 21 days). The latest (and so far only other) nation to join jumped to the AA just after update today and is in Peace Mode. Barring some major movement of the Gramlins 'Filipino Heroes Division' back to their old AA after update tonight, I wouldn't read too much into it. For those still following the saga, Gramlins is now at 28 nations, 1,554,525 NS, and has dropped to page 3 on the alliance listings after USN. [/quote] We had one rogue FH at the beginning of this conflict, and in general they seem to like to set themselves apart from the rest of gRAMlins by flying the Philippine flag or some note on their bio. They like to support each other, but I cannot spot any development towards them getting away from the nutjobs. As I said before, it would be a smart thing. But since we are talking about an alliance that voluntarily merged into the nutjobs, and has not seen any reason to get away from them, I don't really expect them to act any different than their masters.

Well, FH are part of gRAMlins, so he hasn't really left, though it would indeed be a smart move for the remainder of FH to get out of ram's nuthouse and go back to their own alliance.

The results definitely are as I had planned them

Congratulations you two, nice treaty

[quote name='Tautology' date='02 June 2010 - 10:51 PM' timestamp='1275511862' post='2320827'] It seems you're both looking for noodles but having problems agreeing on what to put on them. I recommend goulash on spätzle. [/quote] That is indeed the best combination. However, it's still neither Chinese nor Italian, so the culinary difficulties haven't been resolved.

[quote name='franciscus' date='03 June 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1275599036' post='2322437'] I have no idea how my name got up there, but it looks to be in good company. Thanks IRON. [/quote] [quote name='Lord Curzon' date='04 June 2010 - 01:45 AM' timestamp='1275608687' post='2322706'] My thoughts exactly Frannie [/quote] meh In all seriousness, a nice list, and well deserved recipients

[quote name='caligula' date='04 June 2010 - 08:13 AM' timestamp='1275631978' post='2323217'] Sigh... [i]This will all end in tears.[/i] [/quote] Maybe for your allies, I think IRON and DAWN are having more and more fun every day. Doesn't happen to often you can be part of something so special like this

[quote name='masterbake' date='03 June 2010 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1275582167' post='2322189'] They have explained that very thing to us in our forum over and over. They teach and sometimes rewrite history in our forums for us simpletons who can't grasp the 'big' picture. For example did you know Ramirus and his [s]lapdog[/s] follower are the only moral force on Planet Bob? It's true. Ramirus told us. Everyone else is just liars, cowards and back stabbers. The fact that Gre is at 1.6m NS is just a strategy to lull IRON into a false sense of security. Then comes the rapture. [/quote] It's definitely a colorful and fascinating picture of sheer madness from the tombs of gRAMlin's mind. I admit, how exactly the relationship works between your two alliances at this moment is definitely something I'd be curious about.

[quote name='Iamrecognized' date='03 June 2010 - 08:05 AM' timestamp='1275545095' post='2321828'] Oh really? Alright, I've certainly had enough of all of this. Yeah, he's one member of the MHA, and the vast majority of the rest of us happen to agree with most of what he's saying on this issue. Scutter [s]can be[/s] is always inflammatory, but you really, really should show some respect for the only people who are keeping you, however reluctantly, from being utterly destroyed. [/quote] Maybe this was a hint from MPK to let them go? It's not secret ram doesn't value you guys anyways, when gRAMlin's spokesman talks like this, it might be signal for you guys to end your alliance with this collection of suicidal nutjobs?