BlackKnight

And that is politics. Nothing wrong with it. Slap me today in front of your 12 buddies and I'll let it slide then. But I'll catch you tomorrow with my friends or by yourself and I'd beat the snot out of you. Kind of how Politics works.

That is why you do not sign such a treaty with whomever. Mutual defense could mean mutual destruction and it often is. But once that paper is signed and you give your word, you are expected to uphold it.

Pixels. My priorities are set straight: My alliance before all. Yes, let's hear me get ridiculed. But I still stand by my opinion. As long as I ensure my alliance's dominance, power, rank, hegemony, and network of support, I say to hell with "righteousness."

Loved it. Quite witty of you guys. May you experience the best of prosperity.

Lmao. Quoted for the truth.

Nice straw man argument there. But firstly, we'll start with the goal of regaining our #2 spot, then from there, we'll set our eyes upon the number one spot. And Maicke, forgive me if I seem to be trying to elevate IRON above the rest of the alliances (no matter how much that's true ), but I simply commented on comments on the previous page regarding IRON's nose-dive in rankings. But anyways, let's end it here, since it's quite difficult for some of you to maintain a respectful discussion/comments without hollering, "NO POLITICS HERE!," no matter how harmless it may be. Nevertheless, I'll be departing. Forgive me if I commented on the inappropriate section of OWF. Best of prosperity, BlackKnight

Just substitute "my" for "IRON's" and we have a winner. Respect, BlackKnight

My point was not to hint that we'll be pursuing this War to such a foolish extent. That would not be dignifying nor "tough," but on the contrary: Foolish and unwise. But my point was to show no matter what exactly happens, IRON will be back and IRON will regain her spot. Days will be the ultimate witness to my words.

ODN might as well. (As said, you set that one up for yourself. )

And may we drop out of the sanctioned list, it means nothing to us. We will be back, and we will reclaim our spot.

I have Gems and Uranium and on the Orange Sphere. Changing Color Spheres is definitely not an option for me. You should also start a list of what resources you're looking for.

LMAO!

IRON before this current ordeal. But not to worry, you guys will find someone else in no time. And as do I salute you, Cata.

Glad you can understand my position, Cata. And boy, I wouldn't go as far as to say that we were trolling... Just merely flinging poo at ODN for what you guys did. As you should, my good man. I'll be looking forward to it.

I can't say I didn't laugh at what you did, Style. Love the "BAAWWWW". But yes, while I and quite a few IRONers are quite hurt at ODN's nature-- you know, the whole cancel-treaties-and-bail-out-before-!@#$-hits-the-fan--, but that is your politics, and if it serves you well and keeps your stats intact, then congratulations. The laugh would now be on whomever signs a treaty with ODN, and not the other way around. You know, something along the lines of "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" sorta thing. But yes, you bailed out on your brother alliance in a time of need to keep your stats, but that is politics, and well done. Just don't expect your parasitic nature to serve you well in the near future. Best of luck, and may the circumstances swing my way and quell the flame raging inside me. But of course, that will take some time. Good luck, ODN.

Quit being a bunch of party-poopers. This topic was meant to congratulate Sparta, not criticize them for playing the game of Politics decently. As Somi said earlier, the track record of those up top isn't very spotless, so to criticize Sparta would be baseless. Congratulations, Sparta, on your new milestone. May your stay up top be a long and prosperous one.

Absolutely, Wilson. We'll be back. Don't miss us too much until then.

Just from three members? Seems like ODN as a whole lacks any sense of honor, all the more reason for it to be pummeled into abyss. (Good to see you, by the way, Portugal. Been a while.)

Excuse me while I dig the knife out of my back that my brother struck me with. Nope, it's not budging. The hate I carry for ODN right now will never subside and I swear it. I'm the kind of !@#$% that once he holds a grudge, he's never letting go until he gets what he wants. Ie: Remember the player Barrack Obama, an ex-player in IRON? Yep, never let him go until he got ZI'd. So, ODN, I swear it, your time will come, and when it does, expect to see me on your Incoming list. Whether or not IRON joins this conflict will be none of my concern. If need be, I will leave IRON for the sole purpose of sticking my nukes up your stink. And don't worry, by the time that comes, I'll be fully rebuilt and larger than my previous state As for Cataduanes, I wll not address his arrogance. He is speaking out of the stink right now, trying to save what little face Optional Defense Network has. (... Wait, what face is there left?) Inscribe my name on a list somewhere. I'll personally be going after you and the current Government. And he strikes a goal from midfield. ODN members, certainly, you have more honor than your leaders. Is this the kind of official you want representing and dealing with issues for your alliance? Horribly pathetic. ODN, at the current rate things are going, we wouldn't need a war to wipe out ODN. You've lost far more than 300,000 NS in members leaving ODN because of this political blunder.

All of which were Ghosts and parasitic members. Indoctrination, my good man, is present ever so abundantly everywhere. But being indoctrinated by an alliance of worth, I must do say I like. Anyways, let us not clutter this topic with CN politics. We may do so in the other hundred threads.

And boy when that day comes...

IRON and NPO has the membership all alliances wish to have. We fight to the bitter end if need be.

Read: Your avatar. You're so grossly inaccurate, I don't know where to begin. Oh!; maybe we can start here: You act as if IRON was using ODN as a pawn. You act as if IRON was absolutely not willing to defend ODN if the going got tough. Hell, we considered you such a close of an ally, we gave you suggestions as what to change and tweak to make ODN a more effective force in Cybernations. We were absolutely interested on keeping our relations on the incline. We opened up our forums, invited over your government, and had a large "Q&A" with the ODN. We asked you boys questions, you gave us an answer. I even believe you did the same with IRON. Reason for such a thing? To improve our relations if there was any room for improvement. Brother-alliance is as high as it could get, yet ODN kept suckling up to IRON, to which IRON replied back by giving you our breast. Yet, I find it rather humorous how you all of a sudden, by the grace of a thunderbolt of cowardice up the stink, you react to IRON's criticizing with a "What? Huh? What are you guys talking about? That never happened!" Honestly, you guys have hit rock bottom when it comes to reliability, honor, and trust. You cannot possibly go any lower, otherwise you would simply end up digging through the sea bed and ending up above the ground, somewhere real alliances are.

It would be of no honor to myself nor my alliance to begin reestablishing relations with Optional Defense Network. Obviously, when you sign a treaty/pact with another party, you do so to gain something out of it. We offered ODN our word etched in stone to be behind them to hell and back if need be. ODN gave us a word by them signing the treaty that they will be willing to do the same, not ask their Community of whether to stand up to the word they gave us. That was absolutely no where in the clause. ODN exploited their relationship with IRON to benefit from it, and as soon as the going got tough and they were needed to exercise the "Mutual Defense" part of the treaty, they stuck their tail between their legs and fled, saying "We are a democratic alliance and our Community disapproves!" ODN knew very well that if anyone was to attack them, IRON would've been prepared to be ZIed for their brother alliance. Therefore, one must conclude, that signing a treaty with ODN is a guaranteed one-sided gain, and the gainers are Optional Defense Network. But if you so insist on signing a treaty with the Optionals, then you better be sure to stick "By signing this treaty, ODN agrees that democracy and the opinion of their community is absolutely not permitted to dictate when and when not to live up to the clause of this treaty," if the treaty includes "Mutual" some where in there.

Whoops. Very sorry guys. Didn't realize my error until it was pointed out.