Kippa Tarxien

Story of my youth. In february 2008, I was told to join a trade circle to trade resources. It took me four months before I realised that was a silly thing to do, if one wanted to let her nation grow fast. So, in june 2008, I thought and thought for two days and then deleted all trades and from then on, every 18 (now 20) days, I swapped my trades from best infra/bills to AP + the citizen bonuses. Then, 2 months ago, I was one of the founders of Synergia, the planet's only resource swapping alliance. You're invited to join the alliance, or to join our swapping program.

Contrary to the above, we handle national economics on a more advanced scale. If you want to be a financial powerhouse, here's one way to make a difference: http://z3.invisionfree.com/Synergia/index.php?showtopic=13 Check out how you can make 60...70% more buying power, compared to the best "traditional" growing techniques.

Yeah, me too, after 14 months of single nation swapping, I'll enjoy an alliance wide swap

Aahhrg, the top 10-20 alliances part kills us. Epiktetos, check us out (Synergia), we have superior growth strategies and experienced members.

Bills/infra: Lumber: Walmartocracy (Ashley Smith) Rubber: Walmartocracy (Ashley Smith) Oil: Evertonia (Paul W) Iron: Ciudad de Muerto (rabidman) Marble: Ciudad de Muerto (rabidman) Coal: Empire Earth: AoC (Loch Ness Monster) Aluminum: New World Federation (JDM25) Taxes: Silver: shinyopolis (blahblahba) Fish: shinyopolis (blahblahba) Wheat: Imphy (AScott) Coal: Imphy (AScott) Cattle: Kalina (Kippa Tarxien) Water: Temple Kingdom (hefe4711) Lead: Kalina (Kippa Tarxien) Silver: Temple Kingdom (hefe4711) We can use Nations with two of the following: GEMS - SUGAR - GOLD - PIGS -WINE - FUR We start on monday sept 21st. Post here, or PM me (Kippa Tarxien, Kalina, Nation ID 207420) in game if interested You should be on line daily for 5 minutes, if you don't have a harbour, we'll buy you one. Preferably, you should back collect. Expected nett extra profit compared to the best trade circle: >60%

I agree with jerdge.

Yes, you are missing something. We do not know how large the hotspot is, nor are we interested in how large it is. We only want to know the centre. And that can be calculated without "several people blindly moving around".

Why would you want to be in a trade circle and hurt your nation's growth? http://z3.invisionfree.com/Synergia/index.php?act=idx

If you have a good hotspot calculator: With one moon (Mars) wonder, you have 50% probability to be able to reposition to the hotspot on day 7 and you are able to be on it on day 14. With two wonders, you should be able to be on it on day 1 (50%) or certainly on day 7. The above is true if you have efficiency levels above 50% after repositioning.

Regarding the chase of the hotspot: can we see the position of the other nations?

As ender land says, the main CN problem could be solved: the narrow, almost impossible to get top nations list, can get broader if cost is - Lower basic cost - Infra multiplied cost - Low tech price deduction.

Thanks, I get it, the keywords are My bad, I should have read that.

Is the hot spot only tied to the efficiency of the Mars base, or does it also influence the working of the Mars Mine? If the last is the case, that would need the player to decide: going for the hotspot or for the correct bonus resource. I don't see how one can pick an ideal compromise with only one pick every 7 days and a random change every 30 days. Or, are the bonus resource spots kept at the same location? That would be interesting, you would have to map how far the bonus resource territory goes towards the hotspot direction.

What does that do to my citizens and taxes, why would I want to reset the number? Will there be one or many hotspots?

Coal and Gold

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The nomination for members of the House of Representatives will become open and members can send their nominations to the Triumvirate. Signed, Loch Ness Monster of Empire Earth: AoC, Funder Hefe4711 of Temple Kingdom, Founder rabidman of Ciudad de Muerto, Founder Kippa Tarxien of Kalina, Founder

Nation: Kalina Ruler: Kippa Tarxien Style: -2 Alliance: The Democratic Order Link: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=207420

I have a ratio of 34.31, a similar infra level to Gen Lee: I have 7080, he has slightly less. My income is 10.681M and bills are 3.66, looking at Gen Lee, you'll see that he makes 1.2M more than me and that is caused by the 8 eco wonders he has, while I only have 3, so the ratio story doesn't hold unless you take the wonders in the calculation. I can only keep up with his 5 extra wonders because I pay bills/buy infra with Lumber, Coal, Iron, Marble, Uranium, Rubber, Aluminium and Oil and collect taxes with AP, MC and sugar/cattle/wheat

Let me explain that first. I started my former post with the setup from the 'In tech I trust: should I ?' topic, where Techland had 5000 Tech and 5000 Infra and Infraland had 2000Tech and 10000 Infra. I did the ZI calculations (see former post above) and Infraland won, even with both having a SDI. That made me do the calculation again, with only Techland having a SDI and again Infraland won. I wondered what would happen if Infraland had no tech at all and see, again Infraland won. To really make my point, I posted that last calculation. But let's be fair: if Infraland is all infra and no tech and can't replace military stuff, then Techland should also not have any infra and wouldn't be able to replace anything either ($$$?). Okay, up to the rest of the post. I am so happy, that there is someone willing to do the work and do the calculations instead of blindly stating something based on nothing. So, thank you Syzygy for the work put into it. The post suggested that it was an answer to my post, by the fact of quoting it at the top. Well, it isn't an answer to the question"What ratio". By changing the problem parameters (adding the warchest) it came to a different outcome. And that makes this post more a plea for a good warchest (Which I completely agree with). But without the warchest, similar results to mine would be found as per my calculation: Infraland wins, which changes the answer to the question of tech/infra ratio. Now let us look at a more realistic set up: - Techland (5000T,5000I) and Infraland (2000T, 10000I) - Most of the 5000 infra nations don't have a Manhattan Project, while all the 10000 infra have one. I'll give Techland a Manhattan Project, or the fight would be over real quick. Let's give Techland a magical MP. - I couldn't find a 5000 infra nation with a SDI, I checked about ten nations, I also couldn't find a 10KI nation without a SDI. So, in a realistic setup, Techland fights without a SDI and Infraland with a SDI. Is it worth doing the math on who is going to win? I don't know, but it doesn't look too good for Techland. Let's give Techland a magical SDI. - The warchest: while it looks generous, giving Techland 250M and Infraland even 500M, it isn't. Both warchests are created by the nation's own income and infraland makes X times the money Techland makes. Let us see at the number given for Techland. A warchest from 250,000,000 for a nation making nett 700,000 would mean that if Techland start saving today, it is ready to start the war on december 14th, 2009 (By that time Infraland built a 3,500,000,000 $ warchest, enough for the Forever War) . A warchest of 357 days seems a bit unrealistic, (it would even work contraproductive, Reader: how large was your nation december 2007?) so lets put it on 60 days of saving. That gives Techland 42M and Infraland (I'm just guessing, I don't know what a 10K infra nation makes nett: 8M/day, 10M? Idk, somebody help me out) 480...600M. The calculations themselves. - Infralands upkeep is said to be 12M, Syzygy calculators don't have an upkeep function unfortunately, so I used mrfixit, they said 5.6M, even if that calculator is outdated, 12M seems to be heavily exagerated. - We shall have to take into account tech losses. They will hurt Techland much more, replacing all that expensive tech will take up huge amounts of money, the alternative being to accept lower damaging power for Techland. Infraland, has much lower tech levels and can buy tech at more reasonable prices. The usual 3M/100T is out of the question, who will want to sell tech to a nation in a war and be dragged into the conflict? - The income from taxes. First: the SDI reduces succesfull nuke attacks with 60%, that means that you have 60% to not be anarchied on a given day, or it means that the probability of getting two days without being nuked is 36%, three days: 21.6%, 5 days of safety will only happen once every 12 periods. So, after 30 days (6*5 days), both will collect 20 days of income, 60 days later another 20 days and so on. The income from Infraland is many times Techlands income, which means that the war will last much longer than 70 days, which in turn means that the funds of Techland may be evaporated long before that (I don't know that, it needs to be calculated, I said "may"). I'm (+/-) willing to try to do all the calculations and publish them if somebody is really interested and can answer the following questions: - Income and bills of a xK infra nation (x from 10 to 6, I have all the rest in the logs of my nation). - Tech loss during attacks and influence of attacker and defender on the battle result. - A strategic decision on Techlands strategy concerning tech replacement? Replace or not? Conclusions thus far: - I expect we will end with a plane in a threedimensional XYZ system with X= Infra/Tech ratio for Techland, Y= Infra/Tech ratio for Infraland and Z=Warchest. One side of the plane will be situations with Techland winning and one side Infraland. For both, I can give extreme situations where one of the two wins, so there must be a point/line/plane where there is a draw. It may even be a four dimensional map if NS is of importance (And I fear it is). But I could be wrong of course. - Buy tech, it ain't that expensive at 3M/100T, don't buy from CN, use that money to buy infra.

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Okay, I did the math: Nation T with 5000T and 3000 Infra has 40000NS and a WRC Nation I with 40000NS has 13333 Infra and no tech at all, nor a WRC. T gives 500 Infra blows and ZI Nation I in 27 days I gives 250 infra blows and ZI Nation T in 12 days

Okay, so the main objection is that it is impossible to create an Infraland of the same NS as a Techland in the timeframe and the financial situation in which Techland gets created. I disagree. Here's why, I use the excellent website http://www.cn-utilities.com/ (Thank you Syzygy). I use the infra calculator, start at zero infra, have all the correct resources, 5 factories and no wonders, click 'Submit' and in the new window I type 10,000 levels of infra. Cost 1044 Million. Now the tech cost: Gold and microchips, 2 Uni's make 5000 levels of tech cost +/- 1600 Million. Conclusion, buying tech from CN will make Infraland easily overpower you, Infraland has 500M left! So that's a no-go. Other strategy: buy it at 3M/100T through tech sellers. Problem: 5000T takes you 250 days, at that time, Infraland should be able to gather enough funds to buy the 10000-2000 (Techlands infra) levels of infra. How difficult is that? 8000 infra is 24000NS, on 250 days is efficiency less than 100 (We all know that is achieveable). Even to get the 2000 tech, that would only cost an extra 30M, peanuts. Infraland can build a same NS nation, no problem.

I believe a strategy to buy tech up to 0.05 times the nation strength can be defended, using the argument of infra upkeep reduction. But above that, I'm not sure if there's any other reason to buy tech than to meet the requirements for certain wonders. If I mention my doubts somewhere, there's always someone who points out the military advantages that a good tech level offers and that's exactly the reason of this post. Here's my problem. Let's create two nations, Techland, heavily investing in tech and Infraland, built on infra. Both are 40K nation strength. Techland has 5000 Infra and 5000 Tech while Infraland has 10000 Infra and 2000 Tech They now start nuking each other (imagine they have some extra nation strength to get the nukes) When Techland attacks, a nuke damages Infraland badly: 150 + 150*0.01*Tech/100 or 150 + 150*0.01*5000/100 or 150 + 75 = 225 infra lost Infraland's attacks are far less devastating: 150 + 150*0.01*Tech/100 or 150 + 150*0.01*2000/100 or 150 + 30 = 180 infra lost Now here's what happens: Techland has 5000 infra and loses 180 infra/day, which means that on day 28 Techland is in ZI status. Infraland has 10000 infra and loses 225 infra/day, which means that it is on ZI status, on day 45. But since Techland is ZI'ed two and a halve weeks earlier, Infraland easily wins the war. This isn't an isolated case because of the numbers I took. Here are the generalized formula's Formula one calculates the infra level (I) depending on nation strength (NS) and tech level (T) I = (NS - 5*T)/3 Formula two gives the damage given, the Infra lost (IL): IL = 150 + (150*T*0.01/100) The days a nation survives before being ZI'ed are given by I/IL If T increases, the numerator I gets smaller and the denominator IL increases. In a fraction, that means that the result gets smaller, which means that the more tech, the less days you have before being ZI'ed. Where did I go wrong? Or should I say: "In tech I trust, but not a lot?"

I need buyers for standard 3x3, 1 cycle tech deals: 3M, 100T Deal is organised by our alliance, so you're sure you'll get your tech. Your nation will be refused if it is at war, or member of an alliance that is at war. PM me in game: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=207420 Kippa Tarxien Head of Tech dept High Senator of The Democratic Order

If you send me a trade request on tuesday, july 28 and you have 2 out of these three resources: water-silver-sugar, I will accept it and delete it wednesday, such that everything will be the same to you except that I will pay you 500,000$ on thursday. If, after I deleted the trade agreement on wednesday and you send it to the following nation: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=241117, it will be accepted and deleted on thursday and everything will be the same to you, except that I will add another 500,000$ on thursday. PM me in game, first one to come, gets the deal, nations applying should not be in a war. Kippa Tarxien Kalina http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=207420