Chad

And starting tomorrow, I will be changing the bar graphs above to line models to show the tech changing overtime. It should give us a pretty good idea of what's going on in terms of the tech being lost in each front.

I'm not back tracking crap. You guys misunderstood what I said and I am attempting to correct you guys. If you people insist on staying stubborn and being insulted, I couldn't care less. And I am quite flattered that my words, spoken by someone who is essentially a nobody in the sea of nations on Planet Bob, mean so much to you and your alliances. My words shall ring across your great alliances forever and shall never be forgotten!

I am not using graphs to convince anything. I have not produced these numbers nor have I done any investigation on my own. I literally used numbers given in other threads to create the graphs (including the top tier tracking threads and sanction race). I don't know why your side insists on this thread being a propaganda thread just because you think these graphs say you are losing. Perhaps those on the Disequilibrium side who believe this thread is Equilibrium propaganda should follow the example of your smarter members (namely Namayan or Shinnra) who have seen the data, notice small discrepancies in the data (because no one has taken the time or effort to divide each front by tier and present the data that way), and still recognize that the charts are the best representation of the numbers so far. The charts everyone seems to be arguing about (NS lost), by the way, have been sourced from numbers presented by Rotavele. His numbers have been recognized by both sides as skewed a bit but still usable for analysis.

Update for War Day 31 Tech Chart(s) Disclaimer: These charts and tech levels do not take into account the different tiers fighting in the war. I'll try to get the other fronts' tech levels at the next update.

I don't even know you, you've only been part of the game for like 20 days, and your conduct and level of intelligence leads me to believe you aren't on a reroll account. So please see yourself out. I'm not bothering to address your argument for several reasons: 1) You're sole purpose is to annoy me and to make immature comments. Make a valid argument and I may consider addressing it. 2) Your reasoning behind NPOs leader leaving is a very skewed and misjudged rationale. I'm glad your side's propaganda is working. 3) IDK what lies you are referring to. Just because the facts show you are losing, that doesn't mean they are lies. But time will eventually prove you wrong whether you realize it or not.

Yes. I am ignoring your questions because you feel it is important to debate me on the origins of the coalition names which everyone (with you being the single exception) couldn't really care less about. And as for NPOs leader leaving? Meh. TOP is being throttled by AZTEC, Duckroll and Doomhouse are punching the crap out of each other, and the rest of Equilibrium is blowing chunks out of CnG. The war is a little close for my tastes but, as it stands, Equilibrium is winning (and no one can deny that). At the moment, Equilibrium is winning and will continue to win until the other side can get down into the lower tiers.

It's not that you've never been wrong. You're just not smart enough to know the difference. I'm not getting into it because that argument has been made and killed many, many times. And if you factor out the different tiers and fronts and you look at the data as if the war were a level plane, you are wrong. Equilibrium is winning. And when you say, "Well once you factor in the tiers and fronts, Competence is winning." Then I'll say, "Until someone actually does that, please shut your mouth."

How mature. If someone will crunch the numbers I'll be happy to graph it. And I refer to it as Competence because that is how your coalition is referred to in the Sanction Race and on the Wiki. Now please grow up.

Well, that's overall but really only tells half the story. It means we are winning for now but once dQ gets through out top tiers, dQ has a chance to start eating away at our lower tiers. I'm not going to get into this with you...

Competence is taking the upper tiers in 2 fronts (the AZTEC-TOP front is being dominated by Equilibrium over all tiers). But clearing those tiers isn't enough to win the war. It sounds like Competence is going to be relying on nuke turrets to clean up the middle tiers and I, honestly, have no idea how that'll play out. But we'll all find out in a few weeks once the war moves into the middle tiers. And the bulk of our damage is coming from the TOP and CnG fronts. The middle/low tiers haven't even gotten started yet.

No one really cares about Umbrella anymore. Now the war is about Doomhouse inflicting as much damage upon Duckroll as possible. And, perhaps even more important, the destruction of CnG.

Update for 18 February 2013: Day 30

Bottom line: Without the different tiers or fronts factored in, it kinda does mean we are winning. It means we are winning by quite a bit. Look at the graphs below. If the trend continues (about equal damage for both coalitions), dQ will be driven into the ground before Equilibrium is. And until dQ starts to drop their upper tiers into the lowers tiers (and starts doing some real damage), Equilibrium will be winning.

*facepalm* That wasn't you're point. You're point was that since Competence is losing the same amount of NS as Equilibrium and because Equilibrium is bigger, Competence must me winning. You're wrong and you've been proven wrong. If you remove all factors in terms of tiers and the various fronts (thank you, by the way, for quoting me and then repeating pretty much what I said about the different tiers. I appreciate it), Competence is getting throttled. End of story. And until someone takes the time to actually break down each front, tier by tier with raw data, no one can accurately predict who is winning. And your math does not work with the mechanics of the game. On paper it works, but in reality that's not how nukes fall. And...ummm...actually this thread is becoming an argument about strategy instead of nothing more than visual representation of the numerical data presented by others in various related threads.

You aren't spinning numbers. You just don't seem to have a very good grasp on the warfare slot/nuclear mechanic of the game. If nations at war can absorb a maximum 1000 NS damage per day, a 3v1 war would see Equilibrium absorbing 3000 and the single Competence nation absorbing only 1000 (because nations can only be nuked once). Competence should be dishing out more damage to Equilibrium because there are more nations and more NS to be damaged. If the field were even (taking out tier and front factors), Competence would be getting demolished with numbers like that.

This is using the exact same data as the pie chart you are referencing and this should make it clear why you are wrong:

1. This isn't "our" graphs. So you can stop it. The graphs are based on numbers provided by both sides. 2. This has been explained many-a-time but because you are either lazy or blind, I will take the time to explain it again: We outnumber you 3 to 1. 3 of our nations are able to launch 1 nuke per day (on a single dQ target). You, however, can launch 3 per day (once on each eQ target). Follow me? This means dQ should, in theory, be dealing 3 times as much damage as we are dealing to you if you want to claim we are "even." Look at the Kaskus-GOONS War, Kaskus dealt a lot more NS damage to GOONS than GOONS did to Kaskus...and Kaskus was utterly destroyed. As it stands, without factoring in the different tiers and fronts, your coalition is putting out less than a third of what it should be if you guys hope to win (again, without factoring in the different tiers and fronts).

Instead of getting all your e-peens in knots why not read my very first post? Also, you've all horribly misread and misunderstood my post. Instead of actually reading it like a civilized human being, you guys are just looking for someone to argue with. I didn't say these alliances are going to leave or even want to leave. But if alliances are going to pop that surrender cherry (and by surrender cherry I also mean white peace not counting that VE BS), there is a good chance it'll be some alliances that are being throttled real hard for no real gain (i.e. the alliances that I listed). But I suppose it is this type of blind pride that is keeping dQ alive so we can all have fun. EDIT - By "for no real gain," I mean destroying your top tier for allies that are fighting out of stubbornness more than anything (I'm referring to top tier Doomhouse) and allies that, apparently, only care about the few powerful nations in your coalition while they could care less about the rest of you.

As per request, peace mode over time:

Like I said, they are skewed, but not by much. When you consider the massive amounts of damage being dealt (look at the TOP/CnG front alone) 2 million is not enough to dismiss the data being presented (if it really is even 2 million). Regardless of the minor inaccuracies (which can only be fixed through the tedious, near impossible task of looking at every individual war declared and dividing the data by tier and by front, etc.) all these graphs and numbers are up to their own interpretation and are here for individual analysis. And even if the data isn't perfect, it is still very usable.

IDK what you're talking about. These are raw stats collected by other people that I've produced graphs from because many of us, like me, don't have the time or patients or interest or intelligence to go through rows of numbers. As for the NS lost to moving AAs, the stats ARE skewed but not by near the margin I think people are believing.

Top, Upper, & Middle Tier Nations as per 1 Week Ago (2/11/13)

Doomhouse-Duckroll Front: Upper Tier Over Time NOTE: The February 18 statistic is for nations in war mode only. Previous statistics (I believe) were net figures.