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Orkules

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  1. I was referring to it being highbrow for the majority of the cretins like yourself that inhabit CN. I myself am so highbrow that I read the periodic table every morning as I enjoy my latte out of a ridiculously little cup (with pinky fully extended). Now I’m off to hunt albino tigers on the back of my cloned dinosaur and a “freaking laser beam”. Tata

    I like you. I also like this article. Kudos my good sir.

  2. I assume it was done by either their allies or somebody who felt they had the ability to do so. I confess to not knowing what went on behind the scenes there. However, if say...Citadel tried to have a say in the terms for NPO the alliances engaged could quite easily ignore them just like Umbrella did to others in terms of Valhalla.

    Minor alliances like MOON would obviously be far easier to prevent from going overboard on terms than one of the core/major Karma alliances, especially those backed by powerful blocs like CnG, Citadel, or SF. Personally I disagreed with the terms given SSSW18 but was in no position to contest them.

  3. The issue at hand has less to do with a statement of intent and more to do with precedent and inconsistency. Also, what needs to be equally recognized is that, while there is an alluded-to leadership element of the Karma Coalition is does not actually have any direct authority to establish guidelines and enforce them. This admission of fact has been used in this war and speaks directly to the problem of direction for the coalition as a whole - who has the power to make that choice and how will it be enforced?

    We gave no precedent. If one alliance gets white peace, it does not mean they all will. You are correct, Karma "Leadership" has little to no control on the terms members can give unless they're on the same front. By and large this war is individual alliances/blocs fighting for the same cause or because friends are involved. The truth is that is as far as it goes. This is what is leading to so much of the disgust and anger you see over some of the terms (notably Valhalla) that have arisen. Some, like me, came looking for them to pay for their wrongs and to be taken out as a threat to dominating the world. Of all alliances, Valhalla deserved white peace almost less than any other.

    Nonetheless, the essay was well written, thoughtful, and very enjoyable to read.

    I respectfully disagree, Supreme Chancellor. I think there is a driving force present, however small or large, calling for not only the change that the Karma Coalition has brought about but also the assurance that this change will not be thrown to the wind once the guns fall silent on all fronts. The true believers of the war effort, if you will, who see this not as a finite military effort against a set of enemy alliances but as a war against a set of behaviors. While those alliances who have been part of this Karma Coalition may go their separate ways in the future, is it not possible for the core ideals of the war effort (removal of political hegemony, crushing reparations, Eternal Zero-Infrastructure, etc.) to carry forth?

    I am a true believer, and a very vocal one at that (though not so much recently, pesky warn level), and I can tell you this is not what we seek. The only way to assure that we have ended the tyranny and foul practices would actually be through tyranny and foul practices. In effect, it's impossible. The only thing we hope is that people will see that the community will not stand for such acts and will openly oppose their implementation and that they will see that a tyrannical group can and will be thrown down if the majority are willing to stand openly against them. This is what I hope for and in truth the only way to see it happen is to step back and let it. This kind of thing CANNOT be forced to take place.

    Before you come and say that this war is exactly what that is, I will address it. The majority of the community is obviously and vocally against the practices instituted by the Hegemony alliances and that is part of why so many are willing to stand with us today. Most, no not all, alliances have removed E/PZI completely (I say not all because several Hegemony alliances, I believe TPF and NPO, merely made a doctrine saying if we feel like it's necessary we'll do it so it is in fact still a practice for them) and this war has shown that people are willing to enact little to no terms (though I do think some have gone a bit overboard on the no terms bit). We're merely throwing the boot off of our throats that is preventing this change from taking place, not forcing the change on everyone.

  4. I was really surprised to see you guys stand by the NPO, when close allies that have stood by them recognized it was time to move on. Not due to odds..but due to the fact that they continually spat in their friends faces while dictating what should be done.

    You know I think we can all accept by now that for most, if not all, of the CoC this was not their motivation. They tried to run. Plenty have admitted it and Pacifica is still quite angry about it. MCXA and Echelon and TPF practically had to rally them to honor their treaties (though they're not much better since they also tried to run, they just decided on honor on their own rather than being talked into it). We've seen the logs, we've seen MCXA's DoW, and we've talked to people who have openly admitted it. A lot of them tried to flee because NPO finally messed up while using them and got them into a fight they couldn't win.

    It's funny how the minions always decide that they don't have to stand by their hateful, abusive master at the very moment that the "good guys" have come to storm his castle and cast him down, and them along with him. Until that point, it doesn't matter if they're used...the job pays so damn well!

  5. I don't recall an Umbrella member saying that. I remember some Kronos guys saying it out of anger, but they didn't really mean it. Perhaps you didn't read through this thread, but I already stated this before.

    I think I remember similar comments but I could have the alliance wrong. Frankly I am not gonna look through that madhouse of a thread just to find out who said it though.

    So two wrongs do make a right? What about three wrongs? Does the Karmic theme stop at one round of punishment or is it a continuous cycle; will those who deliver punishment in the name of Karma and who adopt the same behaviour as those that they punish and use Karma as an excuse to do so be open to "what comes around" in the future?

    Please, show me where a large number of members of Karma have been demanding the kind of terms that the hegemony are famous for. Show me the viceroys, the treaty cancellations (not suspensions), the horrendous amounts of reparations in tech even for fringe alliances, show me the PZI and EZI and stripping of government positions for those you deem more favorable, show the months and months or even years of fighting just to get the terrible terms listed above (likely all of them actually). Please show me.

  6. And then proceed to punish your former allies for the crimes you've helped commit?

    You mean assist your current allies fight the war they're now in?

    Well the distinctions between them are ultimately irrelevant as regardless of them they all end with he same final conclusion, mastery and domination. For example Democracy and Autocracy are equally tyrannical; one simply uses ideological tactics to imprint the ideology of one particular section of the elite onto the populous, thus manipulating the public to serve the ends of that minority while the other dominates them through force. One could in fact argue that democracy is the worst of the two for autocracy grants its victims the awareness of their enslavement, while democracy places its victims in a false state of consciousness, and instead keeps from knowing the true state of their existence. Not that I personally have anything against mastery, the point is whether you repaint the building or not its the same structure. *shrug* If this war set out to retaliate against specific "crimes" it is merely treating symptoms rather than the root cause of the matter.

    I can only really reply to this with a...What?

  7. Of course Karma had to have the help of those alliances to make sure the power shift was complete and I'll be surprised if it doesn't come out some day that those alliances were actively plotting this war vs their blocmates long before they left the bloc.

    Are you saying Sparta, TOP, and MHA organized this war? Cause that idea made me laugh really hard.

  8. You sure as hell aren't FAN and yet you speak so authoritatively on what our business is. I should assume you are some sort of subversive plotting against us, but the night has been good to me so I'll just assume were you just spewing verbal feces in an attempt to look like you knew something.

    You'd be amazed how much he does that...

  9. Well, isn't that just...the opposite of what you said about my alliance's terms!

    Gosh, I love the blind rage.

    Didn't I say I thought you should have put terms on them? Why would I think less of NPO?

    Also, what rage am I experiencing? It's more of a sense of euphoria.

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