MisterShadow
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Over 100 nations have been recruited to the NPO since the war started (going by alliance seniority of under 50 days), your actual loss of membership is more significant than simple total member count would imply.
So clearly we are such evil overlords we forced these people to come join us during a state of war. But seriously how many alliances are able to hold people under an AA like NPO has for this war.
Oh yah VE had 391 on April 20th, now they have 296, but of those 296, 29 have less than 45 days seniority so based on your statement VE is 267 of their orginal 391 or 68%
NPO had 877 now 724, 94 have 45 days or less. so that is really 630 which make a percentage of 71.8%.
Yah clearly our members are running for their lives, and you just had a bit of internal problems
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So now that your alliance is no longer top tog and can't push people around as they see fit, your members public reaction is..
"BAAAAW YOU GUYS ARE NO FUN, I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME!!!"
Seriously, you sat around for years dishing it out, and when its your turn to be on the receiving end its time to pack it in? I hope for your sake hes an isolated case in terms of your membership.
Alright ill just address everything with this quote. Me saying I would not be paying reps was under the assumption that anyone with over 1000 tech AFTER the 14 days of additional war (there is a good chance that after 14 days of war I will be under 1000 tech). Thus my ability not to pay reps.
As for the quitting thing, I have said multiple times before (long before) and during this war if a certain person (who many people know, I dont care if you dont) quits then I will be.
OOC:
That persons life has gotten busy and no longer really have interest in the game, plus I have just graduated university and have been here almost 1000 days.
NPO was my "retirement" I was very inactive, I logged in every 15 days to collect taxes and do the occasional tech deal, thus result I sat inactive for 5 months. My infra had moved a grand total of 50 since I got there. And really our membership has dropped less than 25% how many alliances that are being fought by 18 alliances for over a month can make that claim.
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What "turned" alliances?
FOK and Sparta, they used to roll with Continuum.
BTW I hope RoK gets a good part of the reps cause I think they have the most active wars atm.
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How does one become the slave of a dead person?
Are you assuming necromancy is involved?
Seriously, you're wrong.
NPO's actions: equivelent of walking around the bloc and jumping people with their friends, taking money and "tech" and forcing those beat down to work for months in order to continue to pay them.
Karma: beating the ever lasting crap out of the NPO and forcing the NPO to work for months/years to repay others for their actions.
My only complaint is those who were wronged by the NPO should be receiveing reps for past wars, should they chose too, as not many of the alliances fighting NPO now were wronged by the NPO.
Okay lets just say I agree. What about the "turned" alliances? They just get off nice and easy?
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NoV was forced to disband, its members were told to leave said alliance's forum (which were then ordered shut down down by Slayer) lest they be accused of planning spy operations against The Phoenix Federation and surrendering nations were required to sign a ludicrous, 100% OOC "oath".
I believe those would easily qualify as the worst terms ever handed down to an alliance.
Also....Mr.AdmiralX....how much of the tech you refer to was extorted from other alliances? Would you like me to direct you to the posts by NPO members gloating over this fact? It may take some time, but they're out there.
As far as I can tell NPO has recieved 85k tech in reps. Also tech doesnt really inflate that well.
But if you look at the numbers by MK then it is 1.84billion (less than that of total of GPA)
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no matter how often you repeat that myth it doesn't make it true. The 1k tech will be counted when the terms are signed, meaning before the 14 days of war.
Really you are the first person to tell me that, please post someone else stating this fact. Cause I am going on the original post but if it is really the other way around then I apologize.
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This war is not a war of revenge, it is about karma. This is trivial. These are two extremely different things. You got what you deserve - it is very simple.
Sure could have fooled me with all the winging you did.
Mean is mean.
Mediam is median.
Mode is mode.
Average is Average.
For those of you who live in places with inferior educational systems, average is defined as (total quantity of all items / total items).
Your just an average person.
No it is revenge, you are speaking of karma would not be imposing the exact same terms.
Example:
You murder someone, their brother kills you that is revenge.
Karma - You murder someone, you are then forced to live out the days as their slave.
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You drastically understate the principle of the matter. Decomming wonders then was far worse than now due to more money being available - and nobody is even asking you to do that.
No first strike nukes is also a significant condition, given this is the primary means of modern warfare.
Turning an alliance into a tech farm is pretty pathetic, as is eternal war.
All these things NPO did to others, which it can enjoy freedom from having to endure itself.
OOC: Your alliance is like a rich, spoiled kid, "waaa waa waaa, we want it all, we want the most lenient terms ever, we don't want to be hurt, waa waa waa forget about everything bad we ever did, waaa waa waa".
I'm pretty sure everyone would agree with the lenient terms you were given.
Seriously you keep saying that oh the NPO deserves so much more.
Most lenient terms ever?
We went from 800mil in spring of 06 to 70k(2.1billion) tech in spring of 07 to 7billion and 300k(9billion dollars equiv) tech in summer of 09 (16billion equiv)
So lets see
time frame was in years (lets take spring 06 as time 0)
0 = 800mil
1 = 2.1 billion (2.625x over 1 year)
3 = 16 billion (7.6x over 2 years)
Clearly we have a heck of an exponential curve in terms of inflation
Oh yah and there is still more that wasnt shown
Oh yah we can only have 100 nations paying it (being VERY conservative in tech damage done)
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Good? Maybe then you'll stop being total !@#$s to everyone and forget about the idea of getting "revenge" - especially given you deserve all this.
This being the first time NPO has lost a war since GW1, I would like to welcome you to the real world, and welcome you to what it feels like having lost a real war. I know the whole experience is new to many pacificans, but it's what the rest of us have had to endure for years, so stop !@#$ing b!@#$ing about it like a little whiny girl.
There is only one definition of average. And I'm sure they won't be bill locked for ever.
Revenge you talk about having revenge when you clearly are so vindictive of enforcing revenge, based on your NAAC signature.
Also and if you are going to claim "I" (and yes you are directing it at me) be welcomed to the real world, this is my first war with NPO buddy. I was Legion for a very long time, so dont talk to me about that kind of bs.
Could have fooled me, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/average
Well their aids slots do have to be used for tech apparently
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I've done that several times today, and am getting pretty tired of it. Why don't you read through this thread.
By that you mean you quoted MK having to get rid of their first strike policy, something that no other alliance had. Or GATOs perma war that wasnt enforced. NAAC having to destroy wonders when like a total of 10 nations had them.
Remember this is not the full reps. This is just monetary and 2 other condition reps.
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I think you need to look up the definition of average. In addition - whether a nation is ZIed or not bears no relevance on their ability to send tech.
If bill locked yes it does change the ability to send tech. What definition of average are you using? Your right I didnt take the subset of average, I took the entire set, which is 7.
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It will take immensely long for NPO to recover without reps.
No amount of aid will change my nation. Back in GWI (if I was there) I could use aid to rebuild. But 15mil per cycle is going to jack for me. Down 11k infra, 4k tech, 1.2 Billion in cash. It is probably 16 months before I can recover that. And I am not paying reps
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Couldn't it be changed so that every NPO nation has to be out of peace mode for 14 days...but they could do it individually?
All those that don't come out of peace mode will will be at war technically.
This way it is a good compromise between NPO nations being beat down but would give the nations a definite period they would have to fight for?
Is that only nations that havent been out for war at all or any nation currently in peace mode? Cause there is a vast difference.
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As I pointed out in another thread there is approximately 56 nations above 2k infra in NPO that has not been at war, I used public information (IE the 1 week wars stats thread and checked for infra loses). So that means all but 56 above 2k infra have been at war there is 105 above 2k infra right now, so 49 either were at war at some point and made it to peace (in which case you "had" them already or they joined). As for tech movement at the time it was originally 181 nations that had 1000 tech or more, now we sit at 176. I dont think it is unresonable to lose 1k tech in a 2 week time frame, which means there is 76 nations at the end of 14 days that would be responsible for reps.
Which is 22.8k per cycle or 68.4 per month, so no it is not impossible, this is 6 aids slots.
If you say you will lose 1400 tech that is only 52 nations
15.6k per cycle or 46.8k tech per month.
It would take 6 months to do this, and another 11 cycles (4 months) for money. So you would have to maintain your top 52 nations for 10 months paying reps non stop. You will have probably about a quarter quitting so that does take it to lets say a year and 3 months.
So once again not impossible, just not probable. 1 year and 4 months is definately longer than we have ever seen, and only 41 of those 52 have even been here that long (as in NPO)
However I do think there should be a revision on there of instead of the after the 14 days it should be before the 14 days.
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LOSS was kept under surrender terms for 1 year. 1.8 is nothing.
So does NPO get a MDP with everyone after their surrender terms are complete?
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NPO has 450k tech. They are required to pay only 300k tech. An average large nation will have around 5k tech. This can all be sent in around 5 months. Countless more nations will be able to buy tech with daily tax collections and warchests.
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Try again, your average large nation of 5k tech well we only have 7 of those in the alliance, and 2 of those are at ZI
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Yah lets force NPO to disband... Cause you know you will have 700 nations going around to many different alliances so they can get high in govt. and then take out their revenge on the other alliances. Disbandment I think is going to be a bigger problem for Karma then it would be fore NPO.
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Using 100% public information there are 58 nations (over 2k infra) that have sustained 0 infra damage. So now perhaps you can stop saying that we have 250 banks.
Also a lot of nations were able to fight and get into peace mode, whos fault is that?
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This question does not make sense.
Well how many GATO nations were in a P-Zi situation as a result of this term. Since continous state of war generally is refered to as PZI, I simply just forget the letter P.
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Gee Wiz, it's hard to impose reps when you literally ZI every single nation in an alliance.
How many GATO nations were Zi'd because of this term?
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Starcraftmazter, Check previous page. Someone suggested NPO pay only monetary amounts as a sum. That is what I was referring to. You are completely taking my post out of context. I was directly replying to that person. I am not saying we wont pay the reps.
I was saying a few things
1. In terms of relative monetary amount (with stats that I could find) this is by far the most expensive.
2. All those amounts I took from the wiki so please show me these other monetary amounts.
3. Wars such as the GATO one had 0 reps (in terms of monetary)
4. Why is there inflation? Its not like the formula for NS has changed that much infact it is worse now. 12Million NS now would probably be like 11.5 then (because navy adds NS, and you can have more planes now so more NS, and also the land growth would also make the NS inflated) so really why is there inflation?
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So you got tired of getting beat down and joined the winning side.
Unfortunate.
I was MoD during the UJW in the legion so I think I know a thing about winning. I left legion after purple gate because I was part of the old guard. And eventually joined up with NPO because I wanted to try and mend the long standing grudge between the 2. I think it spoke volumes that the legion came in defense of NPO.
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C'mon now, chin up chief. If some of us had that kind of attitude after GWIII none of us would be here right now.
I was legion before and after GWIII thank you very much
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I think if we look at the woodstock massacre we get the best representation for this war. GPA on the day it was signed had 374 members (roughly half what NPO is now) and 3.2mil NS (roughly half what NPO is now) oh yah and they were at war for a month, not 2 months like the terms presented are
http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Continuum-GPA_War
The reps were huge for the time
70000 tech or 2.1billion in 3 months.
The terms we have seen are none of the political consequences. (but there probably are some)
But lets say that because NPO has double the members and double the NS then rough the NPO should have double the reps.
So lets say you take 35000 tech and turn it into cash. It is now 35k tech and 1.05billion. So tech is about 8x amount and cash is about 8x the amount. Lets factor in the 2x factor, so now you have 4x the cash and tech based on size.
Oh NPO was the aggressor so lets do another factor of 2.
So okay that is now still far harsher.
Legion, they had 3mil NS and they had to give 800mil, so again a factor of 2 so you have 1.6billion. Harsh compared to that.
I also dont have access to the stats for the War of the Coalition. In terms of NS, I know the tech value has been thrown around but I cant say for sure what the relative tech level was in those alliances. They were probably no where near as infra devastated as we are.
So lets face it this IS the harshest.
NPO's Reps - An attempted unbiased View
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No, I didnt understand the terms and I have since been corrected and apologized for it. I am not spinning, spinning is where I take information I know and lie about it. I can offer you a link to where I found it if you want.