Sorum

The drums can take a break, yeah.

This isn't about BTA and MHA. this is about you and MHA. None of us like you, and I've no problem picking a fight with you. We don't care about BTA, we leave them alone, they leave us alone. But you RV, you create conflicts. So either follow up your insults with some action, or shut the hell up

Oh man, I was hoping you would man up and go through with it.

[20:52] <Sorum[MHA|Query]> do it, RV [20:52] <Sorum[MHA|Query]> i dare you [20:52] <rsox|out> You'll have to do better [20:52] <Sorum[MHA|Query]> http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=295137 [20:52] <Rebel_Virginia> I will.

Tis a shame Sileath is out of your range, I would have like to see him shut you up. Also, still waiting for that tech raid you promised to declare on me

Resignation accepted, have fun.

Not to me.

He brought it on himself

This pretty much sums it up. Za Sibir'!

Dear god no. Skippeh STA just lost all respect I had for them, seriously. Of course I kid, I can't hate STA, I love them Congrats to TIO! <3

Aqua or GTFO Congrats to Athens and DE more Athens. Jgoods

I am entertained by this Declaration of BAWWWW o/ Zig

No, it's scutterbug's way of saying you should stfu because you were wrong.

Last I checked, we (OSA + MHA) left each other alone for that exact reason -> we don't give a $%&@ about your opinion when it comes to us.

Don't even think of trying to compare yourself to Denzin. He was a great person person who gave his all to MHA and to the CN community. All you do is provide entertainment for the masses on the OWF, with this thread. I hope they laugh hard into their popcorn, because this thread is a joke, just like you have become, emily.

I completely and irrevocably retract my previous statement regarding my take on BTA/TAB history. This is not a retraction of MHA support, but merely a dismissal of my comments. Regarding BTA: MD staged the coup. Simple as that. I did not intentionally lie to hurt the BTA, but rather posted my muddled and historically inaccurate recollection of the TAB reformation. At the time, I was grateful to MD for his sacrifice, but later became angered by him having left. This anger turned to hate, and it blinded me. I still stand my sections of my announcement. Peace was always and option and people trying to flex their muscles should not have done so for the sake of it. To MD, I called your honour into question by citing an inaccurate recollection of events. For this, I am sorry, and hope that the truth presented here clears your name of any accusations that you betrayed the original BTA. I apologise to BTA and TAB for making this mess worse, and as such I promise to not interfere in BTA-TAB relations anymore. Regarding BTA's entry into GWIII We copped a lot of flak for that. While I did know of it, I blamed MD for not publicising it. Not really his fault. Regarding logs: Session Start: Mon May 25 18:32:45 2009 Session Ident: Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$} 01[18:32] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> what is it? [18:32] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> im reforming BTA in a month or so 01[18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> WIN 01[18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> SO MUCH WIN 01[18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> I told Crush I wanted to do that xD [18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> However, the BTA is dead, and isn't coming back, and I wouldn't be surprised if TAB and ex-TAB were pissed about it. Session Close: Mon May 25 18:33:11 2009 Session Start: Mon May 25 18:33:11 2009 Session Ident: Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$} [18:33] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> yea [18:33] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> ive got every intention to start it up again lol [18:33] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> and run it slightly different this time [18:33] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> ive started 2 alliances now so i know what works and doesnt 01[18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> Did you know Voronov is back? Logs weren't faked. It would appear a crappy IRC connection lead to the last line of the disputed logs never making it to MD. Those who claim that the disconnection would have shown up in MD's logs: The disconnection would not show up if he didn't post during the couple of seconds where I reconnected. Final words I stepped down as MHA triumvir last week. I'd like to clarify that it was not because of this issue. Furthermore, I request that all blame be attributed to me, as none of this was the fault of any MHAer bar myself, and does not deserve to be tagged on to MHA's public image.

That's right. That was two months ago. And for two months, MD has made no attempt to smooth it diplomatically with TAB. I have full access to TAB forums - I'd know if he had given them a heads up. He came into this knowing that it would spark a conflict. That's not really the smartest way to run into this, and it changed my opinion on this alliance severely. When Carter started flexing invisible muscle, I'd had enough.

That is utter lies. Count Rupert, +Zeke+, and Zilla are all still around, and they know that's crap. 01[00:32] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> im reforming BTA in a month or so [00:32] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> WIN [00:32] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> SO MUCH WIN [00:32] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> I told Crush I wanted to do that xD [00:32] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> However, the BTA is dead, and isn't coming back, and I wouldn't be surprised if TAB and ex-TAB were pissed about it. Nice of you to include the last line.

So by your admission, at best MD's claim is 50/50

You don't even know that the person you're arguing with lead BTA/TAB out of GWIII. I find that amusing. MD willingly gave it all up. We rebranded BTA as TAB to keep the community alive.

As I said in my OP, it's my opinion that when MD walked out on BTA during negotiations in GWIII, he forfeited all his rights to the alliance. TAB has more ex-BTA than BTA does, btw.

Congratulations, you can gtfo of the thread now plz.

did you read the friggin thread? while i support TAB, i have no desire to deliver a beatdown like the days of old. peace is a viable option and so this shouldn't come to war.

Thus why we aren't attacking?

Part I Going into GWIII, I was Consul of the Blue Turtle Alliance. I was MD's right hand man, and I worked hard with him to grow BTA. We were friends, and I went to war under the impression we had an ODP with GATO. Hah, turns out we got screwed by MD and his invisible treaty. Left sitting in ZI as CIS pulled out a beatdown on us, MD walked out on negotations. In my mind, that abandonment of his alliance when it needed him most, leaves him no right to claim the AA now. As I stepped in to negotiate for BTA (with the help of my co-reformers Count Rupert and +Zeke+, and general CN badass CptGodzilla), CIS demanded that MD be permanently banned from BTA. As BTA govt at the time, I signed off on this without hesitation. He deserved it. Since BTA simply changed their name to TAB, and was never disbanded, it makes sense that TAB would keep to the agreement made: that MD would not be allowed into BTA. E-lawyering aside, MD simply does not deserve to remake BTA. He walked out on the alliance, leaving us to pick up the pieces. If Count Rupert, or even the current TAB govt wanted to remake BTA, I would back it in an instant. Because they put the work in to ensure that BTA/TAB stayed alive. They earned the right to choose to revert to the old alliance name. BTA is more than just a name. It's an alliance of like-minded people who shares similar opinions on CN politics and how they want to play the game. That now resides in TAB. BTA is TAB. At the end of the day, history has spoken. MD will run BTA into the ground just like he did the first time. But the matter at hand - should MD be allowed to reform BTA? Sure, he can reform it. But if TAB chooses to attack for it, he shouldn't have anyone but himself to blame. Part II MHA have long been close allies of TAB, and stand strong in support of them. We hope that a peaceful resolution can be reached, even if Francesca can't help but hope for a war. [23:10:45] <Francesca> I've had enough of boredom in CN. [23:10:55] <Francesca> BTA needs to be attacked already. [23:11:01] <Francesca> Then we'll put these new Karma values to the test. This can be done without a FIREfight. - Sorum