Velocity111 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Question... If I had all the improvements, what would be better? Wine or gems? My question I guess is really would the .5 happiness from wine every be better than the 1.5 dollars from gems? .5 happiness would normally equate to 1 dollar. But with improvements (the population income percent modifying ones specifically) would the 1 dollar be increased to more than 1.5 dollars? And would the 1.5 dollars be modified by the improvements or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piff123 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 yes the 1.5 dollars are improved too wine=silver < gems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocity111 Posted November 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Ah ok. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielg42 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 yes the 1.5 dollars are improved toowine=silver < gems Wrong... Only happiness is improved by the improvement bonus. The 1.5 dollars are simply an extra +1.5 per person. With the full improvement set, wine is better than gems, which is better than silver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piff123 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Wrong...Only happiness is improved by the improvement bonus. The 1.5 dollars are simply an extra +1.5 per person. With the full improvement set, wine is better than gems, which is better than silver. no without any improvement bonus is 1 happiness = 2 dollar. they are completely equal maybe u should check the top 100 rankings and see how many have wine or gems.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielg42 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) EDIT:: Others claim that all monetary bonuses are multiplied by the improvement percentage. If this is the case, then gems is slightly better than wine. However, here are the results of my tests. This formula was derived around 150 days ago, from my experimenting with different trade setups. nowithout any improvement bonus is 1 happiness = 2 dollar. they are completely equal maybe u should check the top 100 rankings and see how many have wine or gems.... Ok, that doesn't quite make sense. 1 happiness is 2 dollars without any improvments. With 1 bank, it is worth 7% more or 2*1.07, making 1 happiness worth $2.14. Improvements of the same type stack, so with 5 banks you have to multiply the 2 dollars by 1.35 to get the value of one happiness point. That would be $2.70 per happiness point. Now we take the other improvements that add percentage to your income, such as schools, universities, foreign ministries, and harbors. This becomes 1.35(banks)*1.25(schools)*1.16(universities)*1.05(FM)*1.01(harbor) = 2.076. That means every happiness point is worth 2 dollars times 2.076, or $4.15. This makes the extra 0.5 happiness point that you get with wine, worth a lot more than the 1.5 dollars that gems substitutes. The total bonus for wine is 12.456 dollars. The total bonus for gems is 11.80 dollars. I don't care what the top nations have/had. One of the nations with the record for the most infrastructure has uranium, as a default. Edited November 6, 2007 by Danielg42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piff123 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 lol i know that stuff but yes the 1.5 dollars are improved toowine=silver < gems ok stay with wine gl hf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fistandantilus Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Ok, that doesn't quite make sense.1 happiness is 2 dollars without any improvments. With 1 bank, it is worth 7% more or 2*1.07, making 1 happiness worth $2.14. Improvements of the same type stack, so with 5 banks you have to multiply the 2 dollars by 1.35 to get the value of one happiness point. That would be $2.70 per happiness point. Now we take the other improvements that add percentage to your income, such as schools, universities, foreign ministries, and harbors. This becomes 1.35(banks)*1.25(schools)*1.16(universities)*1.05(FM)*1.01(harbor) = 2.076. That means every happiness point is worth 2 dollars times 2.076, or $4.15. This makes the extra 0.5 happiness point that you get with wine, worth a lot more than the 1.5 dollars that gems substitutes. The total bonus for wine is 12.456 dollars. The total bonus for gems is 11.80 dollars. I don't care what the top nations have/had. One of the nations with the record for the most infrastructure has uranium, as a default. Thanks for clearing that up for me, ive always been wondering wich one(if any) banks improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 That's your speculation, that the $$ added by gems isn't multiplied by improvements. Personally, I think it is. Unless you have definative proof that it doesn't, you're talking nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaciaut Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 That's your speculation, that the $$ added by gems isn't multiplied by improvements. Personally, I think it is.Unless you have definative proof that it doesn't, you're talking nonsense. The cash bonus is also affected by improvements (banks, schools and universities), tested it myself when i bought a stock market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Well there you go Danielg42, somebody who has tried it and proved you to be wrong. Good job mate, thanks for settling this. Gems > Wine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocity111 Posted November 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) I tested it myself just now. I have all the improvements that give me % increases on my money. My taxes went from 73.87 a person (with gems) to 73.57 a person (with wine) =\ Question answered close please Edited November 6, 2007 by Velocity111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaciaut Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Well there you go Danielg42, somebody who has tried it and proved you to be wrong.Good job mate, thanks for settling this. Gems > Wine I only know the bonus applies for Stock Market, which is a wonder, not a resource; i haven't done any more research further than that. But if Wine would be better than Gems, it means that Silver would be the worse, and i have silver and furs :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivi Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturion Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 I'd just like to add that I have confirmed (with both wonders and resources, multiple times) that the income-improving bonuses apply both to happiness and base income. 1 happiness = $2 base income always - any bonuses such as the ones from banks and schools apply after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielg42 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Well there you go Danielg42, somebody who has tried it and proved you to be wrong.Good job mate, thanks for settling this. Gems > Wine Hmm... I tried it myself back when I setup my trade circle and found that Wine increased my income more than Gems did, which made me derive my forumla. Keep in mind it was 140+ days ago though and CN has had some pretty hefty changes, including Global Radiation being brought back. So my information was provided in complete innocence, with no malice intended toward the readers. I'll edit my post to warn people that others have provided current information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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