Sumeragi Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 From Yamato: Lake Baikal has always been a fundamental part of Kyokujitsu identity, for it was the holiest of all places during the Daikan Teikoku era. As seen from the Ryumu Sumeragi's little conflict there, we wish to have what was formerly Vaulian Buryatia. Please grant us this request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Azenquor Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 A Buryat diplomat, Mr. Dip Loh Maht, arrives for consultations and waits for the Hanseatic representative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 "We would like to know what will be done with the land if indeed the area would be given up." -Robert D'esrail, Foreign Minister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted June 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 We would ensure that whatever regime is set up there would allow us passage to the holy sites. That is all we wish for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Azenquor Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 We would ensure that whatever regime is set up there would allow us passage to the holy sites. That is all we wish for. The Buryat Representative writes a few sentences on a notepad, then asks: "Which holy sites are you referring to?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted June 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Baikal Lake, Olkhon Island, and Ulan Ude. Plus, the region has been an important part of Kyokujitsu history, as shown by our history annuals. Also, much blood at been shed to make the area free, which would lead to annexation by Vaule. Yes, naturally we would want to annex the area, but we know we must consider the people already there. That is why we are willing to make it into a protectorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Azenquor Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 “We will state that the Kyokujitsu links to the area, should they actually exist, are not significant enough to convince us to transfer the area to Yamato. We have shed more blood than anyone defending that territory and it would take more than claims of historical links for us to part with the center of our former Empire. Since you have stated that you have no desire to annex the area, only to protect it, we have yet to be convinced that the region would be under better administration if it was a protectorate of Yamato. The task before us is not to establish who’s history has a claim to the region, as that matter was settled during internal negotiations, but our task is to determine what the wishes of the residents of the province are, and if the administration of the province should pass onto another nation entirely. Several factors have changed in the past few years that have affected the cultural and economic realities of the province which must be taken into account. This issue should not be seen solely as one regarding land, but also one regarding people, their property, their lives and their sovereignty. We also seek an explanation for the conduct of Yamato’s representative at the conference with the Dragon Empire. We hope that such actions are not a reflection of how Yamato conducts Foreign Policy. Now that we have laid out a few of our concerns we await the response from Yamato, and we also welcome the input of our joint protectorate holder the Hanseatic Commonwealth”-Buryat Rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted June 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 "We do have a desire to annex the area, but we're moderating my wishes to fit the world's opinion. Frankly, we are perfectly willing to let the area have almost complete autunomous rule should we annex it. Our main goal as always been to reclaim the original land of Daikan Teikoku, not Yamatoize all lands that comes into our hands. You ask whether the region would be under better administration if it was a protectorate of Yamato. Yes, we certainly believe it to be true. Yamato has a very mature economy, one which needs an outlit from the confined islands and plains. We know that the current Buryatian region has been underdeveloped through the various conflicts, and we are certain to rebuild it to what the rest of the Yamato region is like. As for the growing Vaulian ethnic group, we shall protect their culture and allow them to have almost complete self rule, as long as the access to the holy lake of Baikal and Olkhon Island are not blocked. We hope that Buryatia and Hansa grant us this wish, of either annexation or protectorate. As for the conducts of the representative at the Dragon Empire Conference, we would like to say that such ultranationalist individuals have been dismissed along with the former Foreign Minister Aso Taro. They represent only a minority view, and not that of the greater, moderate government." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Azenquor Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Mr. Loh Matt responded without missing a beat: “Several facts presented by Yamato thus far have been slightly, if not completely out of touch with the reality on the ground in Buryatia (Vaule). The region is not underdeveloped, as a matter of fact since the signing of the last accords there were large amounts of investment by the central government and by private financing. This investment led to a massive increase in the area’s infrastructural capacity as well as a rise in the regional economy. At the time of our independence, Buryatia (Vaule) was the 3rd most developed region in the Former VSR. The region is by no means underdeveloped, to say that it is either misinformed, or downright incorrect. Secondly, the fact that you have downright stated that your intention is annexation of the region, this is blatant expansionism in the Asian region, and is incompatible with the position of our current administration. We have yet to be convinced that approving such a measure would be beneficial to the people of the area, as well as to stability in Asia. This is our primary concern. Thirdly, we categorically state that we do not recognize the region as being a dependency, colony, protectorate, or part of Daikan Teikoku. As such this cannot be used as an attempt to justify a transfer of the region.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 If we may be permitted to intercede , we wonder if this is the region that is in question? That region has a mere 24 km frontier with Yamato territories in Manchuria. As geographic neighbors we would like to wonder how Yamato intends to support any population in that region. We would also see this attempt of annexation as the pursuing of Yamato strategy to expand into East Asia which was thwarted in the Dragon Empire conference. We consider that this territory would be best under Buryatian governance. Of course this is only a suggestion. OOC: Sorry for jumping in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 If we may be permitted to intercede , we wonder if this is the region that is in question? That region has a mere 24 km frontier with Yamato territories in Manchuria. As geographic neighbors we would like to wonder how Yamato intends to support any population in that region. We would also see this attempt of annexation as the pursuing of Yamato strategy to expand into East Asia which was thwarted in the Dragon Empire conference. We consider that this territory would be best under Buryatian governance. Of course this is only a suggestion. OOC: Sorry for jumping in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 “We admit that we can find no counter to your objections. We shall therefore discontinue our focus on the area. In turn, we propose that Yamato joins Buryatia and Hansa in protecting the region. Given how Hansa is overstretched with its large territories, we believe that our additional help, coming from a robust economy and population, shall be useful. What does the respective nations say to this proposal?” OOC: There's a reason 'classified' is in the title, Cochin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Azenquor Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Surprised for a moment, Mr. Maht replies: "We will consider exploring such an option, however we are still concerned about Yamato's intentions. Regarding adding Yamato to the protectorate, this could only be decided after consultations with the Hanseatic Commonwealth and an assessment as to what impact that would have on the day to day administration of the region. I am however prepared to discuss a mechanism under which citizens of Yamato would be able to travel to the religious sites in the area by obtaining a special visa." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 “We can certainly wait for Hansa's thoughts. However, we would like to put Olkhon Island as a separate issue. The island is the holiest site of shamanism, from which Shinto came into being. In Kyokujitsu Shinto, Siberia has always been consider the birthplace of the spirits, and we would like to have the island. Given how the limited geography ensures that military installments cannot be built, and there is almost no people there, we do not see a good reason to deny Yamato jurisdiction over the island. In short, may we have the island? It would avoid all the visa red tape.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 D'esrail leaned back in his chair and listened to the light bickering going on between the two diplomats as he raised his hand. "While the Commonwealth sees itself as friendly to both Buryatia and Yamato, we must vote against any such transfer of land. Yamato will of course be given permission to visit the areas in question, as pilgrims. But as to absolute ownership we must deny that. In addition I would figure the same for the island in question. While there is some history here, the old nation of Vaule and Buryatia's successor state, has just as much history in the region and this territory has almost always been considered Vaulian. At least by Hanseatic standards. Therefore, we will vote no. But if the Buryatian has a different opinion, of course they are more than welcome to state their opinion." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 “The history of the island is slightly more complex than the rest of the land. For one, we have mentioned that if it weren't for the Ryumu Sumeragi crushing the racist regime of the Baikal Republic, the area would not have been part of Vaule. Furthermore, the Buryats are Buddhists, and they have neglected the island to the point the island was briefly sold to Kyokujitsu until the Second Pacific War caused Vaule to revert control. Even during all the rebellions within Buryatia, the Island has never, ever had a significant meaning. Contrast this to what the Kyokujitsujins did. They actively liberated many people, they have constantly sought to bring up the island to its significance to the Kyokujitsujins, and even today we are working to give the island the attention it deserves. To deny the island, and it hano significance to anyone but us, would be unrightous. We do hope Hansa reconsiders their thoughts.” OOC: Monika had bought the island once. I can't give you the link right now, but the thread was started by me and has Minjoku in its title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Azenquor Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 "We consider both the matter of Olkhon Island and Buryatia (Vaule) as being a single complex issue. To cede Olkhon Island to Yamato would raise a whole new host of issues regarding access privileges, airspace requirements as well as how Yamato would intend to travel to the island when they are in no way connected to it. Should a new government arise in the protectorate area, and should that government decide not to permit access to the island, then what would Yamato do? We believe that the standing offer for visa access solves the matter of access to holy sites in an acceptable manner. Yamato must also understand that the Island is also an important area for the local people, as well as for a section of the UKB population. To give any one nation complete precedence regarding a holy site such as the Island would be neither constructive nor beneficial to the culture in the region. Regarding the reabsorption of the area into Vaule, we believe that this would have proceeded regardless of the rogue Baikal Republic. The intervention of the Ryumu Sumeragi only hastened the inevitable decline of a rogue state. The original deal to lease the island to Kyokujitsu was not completed, and the island never left Vaule sovereignty. We reiterate that at no time did the island change hands under that agreement. The agreement was also never signed, thus never enacted. This is a prime example of why we question a lot of the historical claims tabled by Yamato. Regarding the liberation of people by the former Kyokujitsu state, these actions are blemished by various other actions taken by that former state which have been more detrimental. It is with this in mind that we, must agree with our Hanseatic counterparts and decline such a transfer. We reiterate that the offer of a visa system remains on the table."-Mr. Maht OOC: The leasing thread is here: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...&hl=Minjoku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 "We shall take the visa offer then." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 "Then I believe we are settled here?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Azenquor Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 "Indeed. We shall agree to the creation of a visa system for citizens of Yamato to visit the Former Vaulian Buryatia. The system will be implemented once agreements on numbers, duration of visit, and other security concerns are addressed."-Mr. Maht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted July 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 "Can we get some info about our protectorate proposal? We are perfectly willing to take part of the burden of policing the joint protectorate." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Azenquor Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 "We are considering this request in detail, and will issue a reply once a consensus is reached" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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