[The Pieman Accords (aka The Pie Cellar Mutual Use Compact)]

I'm honestly speechless. Congratulations to both alliances.

[Official Announcement from The Order of the Paradox]

I love you guys.

[Black 3BR Circle]

Bumping again.

[Dark Evolution Announcement]

I honestly can't think of anyone who'd have actually rolled them for not PZI'ing hunter, and there really aren't many alliances in a position to do that, so it's not like I'm missing someone. I could be wrong of course, but it doesn't seem remotely likely.

I'm not saying it was "PZI Hunter or we roll you", I'm saying that I find it likely that the agreement was more along the lines of "You screwed up, but we'll cover your back, but if we're going to help you, you guys need to do some things on your end."

[Dark Evolution Announcement]

I very seriously doubt this.

We've all seen alliances rolled for far less. I might be giving DE government too much credit here, but I honestly doubt they would PZI Hunter unless the alternative was far worse.

[The Dark Evolution Declares War.]

Tyga it was only 5

BDC

Element

LX(only 7 members left though. and all not very active from my standpoint. My standpoint being an ex senator of LX)

OBS(Small alliance)

then they welcomed in Xfire

That was only the initial merger. DE also absorbed Crossfire and one or two other alliances.

[Dark Evolution Announcement]

You were going to PZI him for that? I mean, deleting your forums, that would be PZI worthy. The topic he made was worthy of ejection, certainly. PZI? Um... Yeah, not even close.

Chances are it was PZI for Hunter, or death for the entire alliance.

[Black 3BR Circle]

Updated and bumped.

[The Dark Evolution Declares War.]

I can't say I'm a big fan of the Dark Evolution, but I'm not going to jump on the "I'm bored and want drama, so I'll make a post about how DE fails" bandwagon. There are many good people in DE, and calling the entire alliance a failure over the mistakes of a few government officials is both unfair and ignorant. As JackSkellington wisely noted, everyone has made their mistakes, and I for one hope this situation does not result in the punishment of the entire alliance.

[Black 3BR Circle]

I have sugar and wheat

I would love to add you, but I would have to remove Hoo, and that would be quite impolite of me.

[gremlins!?]

Join TOP. Then TOP will have to betray the Gramlins. Or something.

[Black 3BR Circle]

Fish/Pigs here.

Excellent. Updated.

[Is an Open World good?]

Declaring on someone when you have no idea of their strength isn't just declaring without foreknowledge of overwhelming victory. You could easily be declaring into overwhelming defeat. Which is why no one who wants to have any chance of living past a month would do it and thhe game would go back to how it is now, only worse by the definitions laid out in the OP.

If it's worth declaring war over, it's worth getting the crap kicked out of you while dishing out some damage. You do make a good point, though. However, it would be much more worth it if surrender terms weren't so merciless; in addition, the frequency of DoWs that boil down to "We don't like you and we're in a bad mood", or "Meh, I'm bored" would decrease significantly.

[A Brief Notice from the Complaints and Grievances Union]

**** with those nations and we will end you.

I love the way you talk.

[TDSM8, the Raging Soul of Invincible Truth, Shall Meld into the Echoes of Victory and Emerge a Beast Unrivaled by even the Roar of God Himself!]

Stumpy, you don't know but I think you're awesome. I wish the best of luck to TDSM8 members wherever they go.

Also, join FACE. God knows with VIdiot leading us, we need quality. That is all.

[Is an Open World good?]

You have a weird conception of how people act. Not announcing treaties publically doesn't make people stupid. We'd spend more time working out who was allied to who before going through the same issues we go through now, extending the process. We'd also be considerably less likely to attack even in the event we had an enemy totally isolated for fear we had missed some critical connections and were about to walk into a trap.

This entire idea accomplishes exactly the opposite of what you think it will.

You make a good point. We would need to have an alliance or two with the stones to start something without the guarantee of overwhelming victory.

[Black 3BR Circle]

Updated/bumped.

[Black 3BR Circle]

This circle will provide beer, fast food, and construction. There is a detailed list of the effects from this circle at the end of this post for informative purposes.

Aluminum - Yubyubsan

Cattle - Saint Marcelle

Fish - Vulkan

Uranium - Van Hoo III

Iron - BEazy

Lumber - Saint Marcelle

Marble -

Pigs - Vulkan

Spices - Yubyubsan

Sugar - Van Hoo III

Water - BEazy

Wheat -

Yes, that's right. Not only does this circle provide excellent bonuses, but you have access to uranium as well. Oh, and you get to be in a trade circle with Van Hoo. You can't beat that.

Economic effect:

Income: +$7.5

Citizens: +30.56%

Happiness: +8.5

Infra cost: -28.99%

Land cost: -14.5%

Land bonus: +8%

Environment: +1

Bill effect:

Infra UpK: -19.68%

Soldier UpK: -$0.5

Tank UpK: -5%

Nuke UpK: -50%

Navy UpK: -5%

Military effect:

Soldier eff.: +38%

Soldier cost: -$3

Navy Cost: -5%

Aircraft Cost: -8%

Aircraft Limit: +10

[An Agora Announcement]

meh

[GOD-Zenith Announcement]

So you feel that alliances knowingly accepting PZI targets into their alliance without working out a deal to get them off of said list is acceptable behavior?

I'm not advocating what TPF did, but Xiph shouldn't have taken the bait. Both sides could have handled the situation better, the only difference between the two is that one was casting the reel, and the other was biting down onto a very small worm on a very large hook.

[To be an enemy of the Order is to be inherently wrong.]

This is about the smartest thing I've seen you post yet silva. Please, continue.

It was a fluke, don't encourage him.

[Vox Populi Announcement]

Amusing. Congratulations on managing to stay together this long.

[To be an enemy of the Order is to be inherently wrong.]

So you're actually an Ivan reroll?!

You may as well ask if (OOC?: Bill Engvall is a reincarnation of Bill Hicks).

As to the OP, I didn't do much more than skim over it, but the basis seems to be more of the same drivel we've all heard before. If NPO speaks, they are right by virtue of having stated whatever it is they stated. If you are against the NPO, you are immediately wrong. It's all been said before, by leaders who had far more credibility and influence than you. Do you really expect anyone to take this stuff seriously?

[FACE Press Conference]

DJPenguin is average.

You give him far too much credit.

[FACE Press Conference]

Actually, now that I think about it, my members may well know my desires, but are seeking to avoid having to read the anticipated drivel that I come up with. A crafty bunch I would say.

Oh, bull. I've been on you to finish J & D since before the Freak Safari alliance was established. If only half the drivel you post on IRC could be converted to a story, you would have a decade worth of reading material.

Also, Doitzel, why the hate?