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[quote name='ADude' timestamp='1324514813' post='2883656']
I don't see any other reason stated then the war last year.
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It is not clearly spelled out, if that is what you mean. I fail to see the relevance of it, however, we know the reasons why we are fighting this war, we have explained them in length throughout this thread (sometimes more clearly then others), and our members know the reasons for which we are fighting. I see no reason why we should be obligated to lay each and every contributing factor out on the table for your perusing.
Confusion has a consistent history of committing acts of undue hostility towards us and those who we have a favorable opinion of. No tactic is below him, fairness has never been a priority. The list of underhanded acts Confusion has committed against us is far too long, and we had no doubt what-so-ever that when it was convenient for him to do so, he would take efforts to cause it to grow.
As it has been said previously, this is not the fashion in which tW normally conducts its business, we do not believe in seeking out curb-stomps. We would prefer to conduct wars with honor and respect, however Confusion has clearly exhibited that he is not worthy of our respect. -
[quote name='ADude' timestamp='1324514483' post='2883651']
Your DoW cited the ceasefire war last year as a reason for this DoW, as Thomas would say. Don't try to change the story now.
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I did not and do not deny that incident was a "part", but to say that act exclusively fueled our distaste of Confusion would be stretching our statement and putting words into our mouth that never came out. -
[quote name='ADude' timestamp='1324513112' post='2883621']
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Important correction, you hit them last round.
We hit warriors last year.
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Confusion and those who follow him have committed numerous acts of unwarranted hostility against us and against others in the course of the past year (and beyond) for no other apparent reason then "because they could". -
[quote name='ADude' timestamp='1324508447' post='2883547']
Round 14 and on we have at least 3 victories bud, before that RE was filled with ghosts and inactive members, go ahead and brag if you like though.
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I haven't been around as much the past few rounds as I had been in the past, I do recall at least twice, once when you rolled with G-6 and another when we rushed into a war without adequately preparing for it. The other one must have come during one of my more inactive periods.
I remember alot of rounds there where we would consistently fight, and we'd come out on the upper end even in wars you guys initiated. RE has made leaps and bounds in the time since and is considerably better now then it once was.
[quote name='ADude' timestamp='1324508835' post='2883552']
The slander I am pointing out is how you "claim" him to lie, spy and all sorts of other goodies in almost every post you have made so far..
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Well, he either admitted to spying last round or he was making up stories to make himself look more important.
As for the lying and the other goodies, its no secret that we aren't big fans of Confusion or the manner in which he wields what power he has, the acts of which we find objectionable are public and are scattered across many, many rounds. -
[quote name='ADude' timestamp='1324507659' post='2883537']
Where is your DoW on Roman Empire? We were just as involved in that as G-6 was.
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I'd say in the rounds preceding that and the way we consistently fought each other (and how we usually ended up coming out of it a little better off then you), we don't hold much for grudges against RE. If anything, we might even kinda like you.
Besides, what use would it be to improve our record against RE to, uh, what would it be now, 5-1? 6-2? I've lost track. -
I don't particularly care if Confusion had/has spies or not, thats not why we're fighting.
I am starting to see subtle signs that your not very happy over this Confusion, wonder why that is. If tW is, as you say, a !@#$ alliance, then this would surely not even be a challenge for you and your amazing ability to do things.
Aside from the fact that your abilities are nothing close to amazing except when the odds are overwhelmingly on your side. -
[quote name='Confusion' timestamp='1324505997' post='2883516']
Yes- I knew what you let us know... I guess letting the opponent know you'll be attacking them is the new cool thing to do.
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You also knew when we let you know.
Doesn't look like DR put the information to use anyway, doesn't look like you used that time to purchase many nukes, would have been the sensible thing to do? (Not that I'd expect you to do the sensible thing, but still, its what I would have done.)
Or did you not have that much time, which would strange, since we notified some of our people as far back as Sunday.
In other news confusion, when you care to, hop off your high-horse.
Your not impressing us, your not scaring us, your not humoring us.
Probably because your not impressive, or dangerous, or funny. -
Confusion, why is it that everything you write seems to be of 7th grade quality?
But as for what you knew before this war, you knew what we let you know, and not a damn thing else. As for your claims of the Warriors being an inferior alliance, well now here we are, here is your oppertunity to prove it.
I am interested to hear what your accomplishments are, though, other then regularly beating up on people when you had a statistical advantage. Of course, you would be bragging about it too. -
[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1324498802' post='2883441']
Can you not read??? LE have hit us early in the past 2 rounds! like day 5 etc. For that I will refer you to Mr Newtons 3rd law.
Quite simply you need a couple of AAs to beat us because you arent good enough even with the massive nuke advantage. And yes its my mistake, I was a little busy and didnt realise the SUN tW war didnt go nuclear or I would have ordered nukes to be bought sooner.
We would have hit you, yes, and you would have likely had 100 nukes by then, which would have resulted in mutual destruction, after which we could rebuild and do it again.
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You seem to be of the opinion that its acceptable for you to use excessive force against those you perceive to have wronged you, but not for others to do the same.
I can't tell you what we needed to beat duckroll, I can only tell you what we brought. -
[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1324496203' post='2883411']
Um, the NS and ANS between us 2 was pretty close, and you just got the #1 nation who has been unscathed to fight with you. You had 60 odd nukes to 9? Id say that is already a down declare, but its our fault really for maybe not getting nukes a little earlier. You brought in WAPA to make sure you won this one, plain and simple. Just like OP/LE did to us last round, and added in SUN, with more than 1k ANS difference, and 1 nuke.
Well, what past grievance? Also to say that I have the most cash because Ive earnt the most is foolish. Ive been fighting, and have #1 casualties.
The SUN war? Damaging for tW? You are kidding right? tW had 2 weeks to build, whereas we went to war on day 3/4. tW also took no damage, where SUN took minimal damage. You guys didnt even play with nukes. LOL
Clash, you may have been away for a few rounds. Let me refresh your memory.
LE have hit us early in the past 2 rounds, like day 5 to 7. We werent going to let it happen a 3rd time. 2 rounds ago they hit us 1 on 1 and got spanked, so last round they brought OP with them, yes OP/LE vs Anon/SUN. It was SUNs 2nd round, and were useless aside from 1 or 2 nations.
You calling this an updeclare now?
You will find that I posted in the thread a few minutes after Con posted it. And we were not threatening anyone fyi.
And yes, I gave the go ahead to hit LE early. As ive already explained, the hit on LE was pre planned before the round started. Hit them before they have a chance to hit us, using all necessary fire power. If you look at it, we had 38 or so nations to their 29??? thats like a 33% advantage we went in with. Thats not a huge down declare! Our planning was just perfect, and it went off without a hitch. LE performed admirably though, and did stunt us somewhat.
You however had 2 full weeks to build, then a little non nuke??? spar for a few days. All you need to be fully recovered is a single sled, then you hit us before we loaded nukes, to which I wouldnt normally find fault. Its bringing WAPA along that just makes you seem like a fool.
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I would like to quote the particularly relevant portion again,
[b][i]"using all necessary fire power."[/i][/b]
We would have been content to drop our whole grudge against Confusion, however I don't believe for a second that Confusion would not have attempted to $%&@ us over [b]again[/b] at some point in the not too far future. We saw a good opportunity, and we took it. I hardly see how you can hold objections to that when that has consistently been the way that you and yours have operated.
Is this war a down-declare? yeah.
Is that how we normally roll? no.
This war is an exception. Sadly, I find it hard for you to argue that the approach DR took with LE was an exception, that appeared more like standard operating procedure for you guys.
Confusion (and Duckroll) have clearly established the playbook they live by with their past actions, we simply decided to borrow a page. When this all comes to a conclusion, we would of course like to return to our way of seeking out challenging wars that test our abilities, and we'd enjoy nothing else then to not cross paths again, but somehow I have a feeling like just when we are at our most vulnerable, Confusion will be there, waiting to use whatever it takes to convince himself once again that he's a big dog.
As for not nuking SUN, well quite simply, we were saving them for you. -
[quote name='ScratchyScientist' timestamp='1324407497' post='2882670']
Seems like you're having memory problems. Try re-reading the post again.
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Oh my that was funny.
But seriously, you strike me as the sort of guy who starts an alliance when he has no business leading and then wonders why it hasn't taken off and become hugely successful beyond anything he could have hoped for.
Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think you need to get a grip on the basic mechanics and form a better understanding of how things work and why. Until then, your ideas aren't going to get any traction. -
[quote name='B1gAlMan' timestamp='1324489641' post='2883338']
All I got from this is you violated your ceasefire to get back at a grudge on Confusion that you're not calling a grudge because you think someone will believe you. Seriously, why bring in WAPA when the stats were otherwise pretty even, unless there was a chip on your shoulder. (Notice that I am not complaining about the uneven sides, only your faulty reasoning of your acting like Confusion and the violation of your ceasefire agreement). Also, would you really expect Confusion not to talk crap on your alliance when he knows you're going to declare anyway?
PS You can't agree to something and then pull out of it last minute, that just shows you have no honor. But this is TE, what can I say? See you next round, I guess.
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Go and read the terms of the ceasefire. As we did not initiate a war during the timeframe in which the ceasefire was designed to be active for, we have in no way, shape or form violated it.
As for the right to pull out of an agreement, I would say that it is fully within our right as a sovereign alliance to terminate our involvement in an agreement which has not come into effect yet. Furthermore, the thought of somebody who willfully follows Confusion questioning somebody else's honor is laughable, at the least.
[quote name='Buzz Lightyear' timestamp='1324489776' post='2883343']
Im gonna excuse your "come at me bro" at the end there cuz u didnt know im already at war with your alliance and u prob didnt know cuz i forgot to put my TE nation in my profile
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I am fully aware, however it would appear as if you have some unused offensive slots there. -
[quote name='Buzz Lightyear' timestamp='1324488934' post='2883330']
if its all for fun, why do your feelings sound so hurt in your little hissy fit, i mean DoW?
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We're not mad, our feelings aren't hurt. We're annoyed and tired of Confusion and his crap, and there seemed no better time then the present to address it.
Should you have a problem with the way in which we convey ourselves in our DoW, there is no secret in where we can be found. -
[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1324481542' post='2883291']
And the need to bring WAPA along?
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We don't believe in denying good friends good oppertunities.
Additionally, Duckroll had a better number of larger nations then we did, among other contributing factors (including that outside of the large advantage we held in nuclear weapons, DR had considerably more NS then we did.)
I am confused as to why you hold objections to bringing WAPA. I thought that it was clear that you had no objections to down-declares (at least not when your the one doing it). Provided tW does not believe in going around and consistently taking the upper-hand in wars, as we enjoy challenges, however once in a while you must make exceptions to give yourself the best chance to achieve what you so desperately desire. -
[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1324478963' post='2883281']
Really? Your massive nuke advantage wasnt enough so that you had to bring WAPA as well?
Typical Clash, ranting about up declares/ down declares and such, then becoming the monster yourself?
Im a bit disappointed that I only have 1 war tbh, how am I going to rack the casualties up?
And your [s]obsession[/s] annoyance with Confusion is mildly amusing.
Oh and just so you know, the hit on LE was payback for not having the balls to hit us 1 on 1 last round (Anonymous) but instead bringing OP with them (or the other way around), like this war, with a massive nuke advantage, to stomp us. I guess we know what the future holds for tW
See you out there!
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We usually do believe in engaging in fair wars, but it was our opinion that Duckroll (and particularly Confusion) were not deserving of that luxury considering some of your past actions. If you don't play nice, other kids aren't going to play nice with you.
As for what tW's future holds in store, we are not threatened or intimidated by you, or Confusion, or your inflated egos. What will come will come, and we'll deal with it then. -
[s]See you soon,[/s] i mean, good luck in whatever this is about.
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[quote name='ScratchyScientist' timestamp='1324392328' post='2882549']
FOUR WORDS:
SHUT THE HELL UP.
If you don't want to, don't be in the war. I'm starting to doubt the intelligence of the people on the forums. Plus, if you read the whole post, I covered that.
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Sounds like somebody can't handle criticism well.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -
[quote name='Bassbob' timestamp='1324400339' post='2882607']
Another "lolnocasualties" joke? Really?
I thought we were passed that. Tactics, duh.
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I don't know if I would consider surrendering to be the only thing you did in the war to be "tactics". -
I'd support something like an amount of tech reps payable only by nations with more then 3k tech, a clause that either makes a certain individual of GOD keep a demeaning phrase in his nation bio forever (or a life-time ban for them to be in government) and the forced cancellation of all of GOD's treaties.
Edit: oh, and [OOC]make Xiphosis write an alternate ending to Harry Potter where Voldemort wins.[/OOC] -
After hearing what your warchest is, I'd like to put down the middle of next week for when you'll be entering bill-lock in the "When will Krack hit bill-lock pool".
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[quote name='HisK Owns You' timestamp='1323611550' post='2873841']
This is the only time TPF would attack Sparta. I see you guys are still garbage.
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Whine Whine Whine.
If you have a problem with us or the way we conduct business, you know where we live. -
Good luck NADC, I've always liked you folks, I hope you crush them.
[quote name='coekrix' timestamp='1323548547' post='2872782']
you should DoW on INT, WFF, GOONS and Umbrella too if you try to honor your treaty regardless of the slot and size as you said earlier.
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Since you don't have much clue what your talking about, I'll go ahead and help you out.
Its not at all unheard of for an alliance to attack some but not all of the alliances attacking their allies. By all means, I don't see anything wrong with NADC attacking DB4D only, attack somebody that you can handle well and neutralize them from the equation, better then over-spreading yourself and just being lumped into a beatdown. -
[quote name='Buzz Lightyear' timestamp='1323588113' post='2873631']
really? one war? gotta blitz better than that
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That is more indicative of the extent of available slots in AODB's range then AODB's ability. I've got a feeling their role in this war will become more pronounced following the next update. -
Welcome to the party guys.
Glad to have you alongside us.
WAPA and the Warriors go to WAR!
in TE OWF Archive
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[quote name='Confusion' timestamp='1324521778' post='2883763']
And the cycle shall continue
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I think there is more to it then this.
I find it very hard to believe that DR wasn't going to attack us even if we didn't do this. We were of the understanding that sooner or later, DR was going to come after us, and as they have in the past, they would use any and all firepower available to get what they wanted. We weren't going to sit around and wait until then, then is going to come sooner or later anyway, we saw a good chance to establish that we're not going to lie down and take it, and we're asserting that plainly right here.
As for WAPA, I stated previously, I don't know what it would have taken to beat DR, I only know what we brought. In this instance, we had no qualms about bringing a level of firepower we felt was suitable to achieve the goals we had, and the goals we have are somewhat different then they usually tend to be.