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  4. Alliance War Resignations/Surrenders

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    I received this from a wolfpack nation:

    To: The Desert Fox From: Tom Bers 3/19/2008 4:25:08 PM Subject: RE: Application Status

    Hello Desert Fox,

    i have no account, so could you please post my surrender?

    Picture of a cow: www.guzzi4ever.de/ural/kuh/Ural-und-Kuh.jpg

    Picture of a lamb:

    www.sternegger-wolle.de/p/lamm-einzel.jpg

    I comply with all surrender terms and changed my AA.

    Thx.

    Tom

    This is how a war begins

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    When you saw me on, that was the singular instance of my being on IRC in the last 7 years. :) I met with Chief4Real and had spoken with Dark Mistress about meeting with her as well, when the banned member incident occurred. I thought that after that, other things took precedence.

    I would have preferred a single-source URL for everyone be able to refer to. I understand the reasons behind IRON's decision not to so, to a certain degree.

    Do you have a URL to the logs in question and answers to my queries about the origin and the circumstances surrounding their collection? I would be happy to examine them in any circumstance.

    I sent you a PM, you really should check your nation more often during these hard times :P. You can meander your way around my photobucket to see everything I have collected, but there are other sources of evidence. cheers, and best of luck to you.

    This is how a war begins

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    Rhinohelix, Ive seen you on IRC before...what is so hard about strutting over to #IRON and asking for it like everyone and their mother has already done? I swear, its not difficult. Besides, that conversation, I KNOW, has been given to WolfLady as I was there when Dark Mistress ran it by her TWICE. Im sure your government would be more than happy to show you. Though I must give you credit, for nothing to go on, youre not a bad speaker. I would recommend that you get the job of representing Wolfpack on the Big Boards.

    Now then, if you will please make your way to one of the other dozen threads you guys have started here, youll see my explaination for IC and OOC. Have a good day, and best of luck to you in the future.

    TRUE Wolves Don't Lie, Spy, or Lie About Spying

    in Open World Forum

    Posted · Edited by The Desert Fox

    not to interject, but if you will kindly make your way to one of the dozen other threads you guys have made about this, you will see evidence of wolprince's involvement... thanks.

    EDIT: Just read Stevent's comment, here is my response...

    Lurking and I talked about this...and in the spirit of the late Ivan, "This is just a GAME." It is like playing Halo or something online on XboX Live. We decided we would play the game as if we were playing any other game. Someone may win, someone may lose, but that is how a GAME is played. You see, my friends and I are good enough friends that we dont have to be on the same team to be happy. We are perfectly content knowing that one may win or that one may lose. If he gets a "triple kill" or a "killtacular!," even if I was one of the ones he blasted away with that rocket launcher of his, Im gonna congratulate him and get him next time.

    IE, when you asked him for logs showing I was leaving... he gave them to you. That was perfectly fine back then... why is it such "a discussion stopper" now? hmmm.....?

    Such is the nature of IC and OOC...

    now then, IRC... its convient. What? You want us to talk on the phone like you and wolfprince do? No, we are much faster typists. Tis like using AIM or MSN except, everyone is already on IRC, so we can multi-task....ya know, its more efficient. Plus, saves us a fortune on our cell phone bill :) Would you prefer us to use AIM? I can take logs there too though....so that still wouldnt help.

    This is how a war begins

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    Not to interject into this Whiskey Lullaby or anything....but I see alot of people crying for, yet, more evidence...so being the good guy I am, Ill give it to you.

    Here is a picture taken from the SID Forums by Lurking at the request of Dark Mistress and I in which clearly shows Wolfprince, (leader, alpha, whatever), as an actively participating member of SID, the wolfpack spy thingee. Sorry, as it only shows 9 names as oppose to the 12-18 promised...but it seems they were doing some house cleaning while he was taking the screenshot.

    http://s225.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/a...current=SID.jpg

    Now, I immediately know the response to this...

    them: "Well, that was to enhance our In-Game spying!!!"....

    Me: Yes, Im sure...thats why you needed another board specifically for the "well respected members of Wolfpack" to gather, and just, ya know, chat and stuff.

    wolfpack speaks

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted · Edited by The Desert Fox

    you're correct, RoT also knew what was going on.

    And we did our job as described by our Protectorate Treaty with IRON and promptly reported the situation (we would have regardless though).

    EDIT: I would also like to remind RoT members that this is the "Wolfpack Speaks" Thread and not the "RoT speaks" thread.

    Declaration of Support and War

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted · Edited by The Desert Fox

    Good work by our protectorate.

    I was a pleasure working with you Fox & Mroche!

    You too sir! Without IRON members like Dark Mistress, Shan, yourself, and others, RoT would most certainly not be where she is today. Thanks for all your help, support, and guidance.

    *FOX holds up a glass*

    A toast to a bright future and a beautiful friendship!

    wolfpack speaks

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    Hoff, you may have done nothing, that could be entirely true, but here is what we have, which btw, Im getting tired of explaining to all of the Wolfpack Gov...from now on, share info.

    Lurking came to us in Mid-February...back when he was a VERY well respected member of the Wolfpack Government and LONG before he had ever considered leaving CN, which may or may not be true. He was venting frustration about the lack of activity in wolfpack...saying how he must keep Wolfpack safe by any means necessary...

    Mroche and I kept him talking...and eventually he let the word "SID" slip, which I have forgotten what it stands for but it is in the logs, which I dutifully screenshotted. He explained that this mass spy operations hit almost every big alliance out there including, but not limited to: NPO, NpO, and "working on IRON." Given the fact that he held two General positions, that seems totally logical that he, their most active member, would be head of the activity that would require the most activity (sorry for the redundance).

    We also noticed his IP was a similar IP to that of our new member, shdwcld...upon further digging, it was indeed, not just similar, but the EXACT same. I screenshotted that too. With this, we went to IRON.

    A couple of weeks passed and we still needed to prove that the nation was not just a multi, but also a spy who was relaying info back to wolfpack. I expected Lurking to ask about the "war with California," (war = Fake, a trap) a protectorate of TPF's who we have close relations with; however, it was Wolfprince that came to me asking whether we believed we had been spied upon and assuring me that we need not suspect wolfpack of anything. There is only one way he knew we were "planning the war" and suspected spies to be on our boards...He must have gotten the info from the spy on our forums. Again, this is all while lurking was in VERY good standing and LONG before he turned in his resignation.

    We let it sit for a while, letting the tension recede...when 4 extra nations suddenly popped up one day and started receiving aid from lurking. I naturally assumed it was him trying to ditch his old nation, which he must have known would be toast, and trying to relocate to (a) new one(s). With this, we went to IRON again and this time it was too much.

    As you can see, the war hammer has been held back many times. No, Im sure not EVERYONE in wolfpack is guilty of directly implementing the spies. Im sure not everyone infultrated an alliance. But wolfpack is a sudo-democracy/republic where you guys elected your leadership, they chose to do this and we have more than enough proof. I really dont see how there could be a conspiracy theory as it is more than likely that lurking tried to start over because they learned they had been compromised as oppose to "going rogue" in mid february.

    In the end, I have many old friends there from my time in Wolfpack, yes, but that doesnt changed what happened. I am sorry, but it is what it is.

    Again, I would like to take the time to thank IRON for helping us through this intense, difficult situation. It is to them that we owe our fast growth and our alliance wide safety. Mroche said it all in his statement, but I believe this deserves to be repeated several times over. Thanks again and thanks to all alliances who came to our aid. I am forever greatful.

    FOX

    wolfpack speaks

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    lol, no, they were never masked or even applied on our forums. They just popped up one day and since we knew it would all be over soon, we let it go in order to prevent suspicions that they had indeed been found. This would have caused the popping up of hippie camps all over Wolfpack...and needless to say, that was not needed. We had all the evidence required of us.

    They were left alone until the war started. As we speak they are being posted on our forums as ghosts.

    BTW, no where in there did I say spy. Til this point, they are just ghosts, and now, they are dead ghosts.

    Announcement from the Realm of Titans

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    I would like to echo what my Secretary of State has already said, this achievement is made possible by the wonderful, diligent workers and recruiters in RoT. We have come a long way, but there is still more to be done. We'll see you at the 2 Mil mark, for, If you only look at what is, you might never attain what could be. RoT is here, Our Nations are Strong, and the Future is Bright.

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