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  5. Joint Justitia - GOONS Announcement

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted · Edited by mhawk

    [quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1297560972' post='2630766']
    Uh, ZI-listing someone for posting the wrong thing on these boards is really not good. I hope there is more to that story than it currently appears.

    Regarding the 'stalemate' talk: no, it is not a stalemate, because your upper-mid and upper tiers will stagnate in long term peace mode whereas ours will continue to grow, import tech and send aid. Sure, some of that aid finds its way over in lost GAs, but some of your money finds its way to our side in the same manner. Once nations on both sides are close to bill lock, well managed aid won't leak out, because it will be being accepted and spent before GAs are made. If it gets to that point, with your top tier stagnating in peace mode and your lower-mid tier bill locked with no incoming aid, your final defeat will be complete. There is an illusion of stalemate in the short term because you don't yet see the medium term implications of the peace mode penalties.
    [/quote]
    I think a profound change to the world came when suddenly it wasn't about fighting wars, it became about how to long term utterly destroy your opponent. Will they win if they push this war into a very long 6 month campaign, well NS wise they will. The question is why does every fight have to evolve into some sort of death match "we can kill them if we hold them at war for 8 months and they all get bill locked!" type scenario? Especially for a war started for no credible reason.

  6. Will your opinion of Pacifica or Polaris change after this war?

    in World Affairs (IC)

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    [quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1297555816' post='2630698']
    Not really, lots of people took advantage of the power structure to pursue goals they wouldn't have been able to contemplate, that's why any power structure forms in the first place. So lay the blame for any individuals actions solely at their feet when they couldn't do such without the backing of others is over simplification at best.
    [/quote]
    To completely disregard the individuals and alliances that did such crimes and blame/punish those that merely existed and in some way formed a "power structure" is completely incorrect. You don't get to white wash every action on account of a large alliances and their desire to preserve power. To do so would mean equal attention on other large alliances that formed the security net, such as Sparta, TOP, MHA, FOK... alliances that seem to garner none of the same arguments I see here.

    That said do I feel those guys should catch heat now? Probably not, because the indirect nature of the treaty web makes it hard to control how others will abuse the system. But blaming something Xiphosis did on NPO is ridiculous. The problem with your assertion that a power structure allows such crimes to occur is you must also hold all the other parties that connected to it partially to blame as well. Have you seen what that actually would look like?

    [img]http://images.wikia.com/cybernations/images/0/0d/Continuumdraft18.jpg[/img] Start there now add all the MDP's MADP MDoAP's of all the members. If someone takes your argument about the powerstructure being to blame, but then pins nearly all the related actions on NPO's shoulder how does that make sense?

  7. Will your opinion of Pacifica or Polaris change after this war?

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    [quote name='Bordiga' timestamp='1297522819' post='2630319']
    The Global Order of Darkness forced 200 nations from the game during the LoFN conflict in a war supported by the NPO, who would have also assisted except they were busy installing a viceroy over GATO.

    So yeah I'm not seeing how either side is any better.
    [/quote]
    You're grasping at straws here. Wouldn't it be a bit more logical to place the blame for that directly on GOD and Xiphosis, rather than qualifying the remark with "NPO supported".

  8. Pacifica: Really? come out and play

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    [quote name='Antoine Roquentin' timestamp='1297465418' post='2629725']
    Yes, it was a concession.
    [/quote]
    Who exactly made you the right hand of vengence? Mind if we see your resume and credentials. What power appointed you judge and executioner? One day you just decided you'd come in and try to exploit others troubles or grudges to satiate your alliance's boredom?

  12. Pacifica: Really? come out and play

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    [quote name='kwell' timestamp='1297369583' post='2628228'] Face the consequences of your past. Your past reflects your present and your future. Coming out of pm is the first step. Time to prove to your allies you aren't just using them.

    **My opinions are my own opinions, not Umbrella or Dh. Have a problem with what I have said, I have 3 defensive slots available, take your pick. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT : D
    [/quote]
    What the heck was karma then? I await the day it comes time for you to face consequences of your actions. You're just throwing a tantrum you don't get things your way, deal with it. As an ally of NPO and one who still is at 50% my ns from pre karma beat downs I support holding out against such immature opponents. We're done building you guys up (what between TPF and NPO 400,000 tech?) just to deal with more temper tantrums when you get bored. No you don't get that toy today, sit in your cart and be quiet.

  13. Will your opinion of Pacifica or Polaris change after this war?

    in World Affairs (IC)

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    [quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1297211116' post='2626214'] but once you have dealt with NPO's leadership and seen their true face it puts all their past crimes into perspective. They deserved every day they spent under those terms and more.

    [/quote]
    I'll have to disagree here. There are probably few people who have worked with NPO leadership as direct and longer term as I have. Your conclusions go against what I've experienced, but that is how it goes I guess. Same way I suppose xiphosis isn't [b]Really[/b] a monster :P

  14. Will your opinion of Pacifica or Polaris change after this war?

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    [quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1297210230' post='2626192']
    I didn't think that they had paid their dues, no.
    [/quote]
    Just seems when 2/3 of your statement was dedicated to Polar. Skipping over the karma war, more money and tech demanded than all reps ever taken by all alliances combined seems a bit odd. When you look at these things you have to balance your personal hatred to that of enslaving a community as a whole for hundreds of days. If you can articulate a rational justification for such measures that would be interesting to read.

  16. War Propaganda

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1297060391' post='2623658']
    Actually, dangit. I entirely forgot about this. I tried to give benefit of the doubt [i]against[/i] GOONS in any case where there were ambiguous stats (NPO hit by many alliances, drops that looked more like a member leaving than war damage, etc.) However unless MK and Umb contributed to a very substantial portion of the total damage, the point still stands.
    [/quote]
    I think mk and umb took 70k ns off one of our nations alone :P Jbone still can't walk straight.

  17. War Propaganda

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='Rage McKill' timestamp='1297059744' post='2623632']
    Stats were taken before CnG blitz.
    [/quote]
    Would be better if mk and umb weren't hitting us. 50% or more of our damage has come from them, not goons.

  19. Announcement from Nebula-X

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted · Edited by mhawk

    [quote name='Epiphanus' timestamp='1297056132' post='2623389']
    Coming in on an ODP. Wow :\ Enjoy having your nations burn.
    [/quote]
    You guys seemed fine to attack an alliance citing no treaty or coherent reasoning. I'd say citing an ODP and friendship should be an example to your little group of barbarians.

  20. Announcement from The Order of the Paradox

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1297056285' post='2623404']
    Oh, mhawk. No matter how many times I explain this to you, you still try to turn the tables by axing most of the story. You're far less clever than you think.
    [/quote]
    The fact nearly every statement you make towards others involves a petty cheap character attack, while never addressing in a coherent manner the topic of discussion speaks volumes.

  21. Announcement from The Order of the Paradox

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1297055898' post='2623369']
    Mmm yes, except you're forgetting the part where NPO unashamedly spat in our face the second they started that war.

    Nice try.
    [/quote]
    You guys come off so sensitive. I mean seriously still talking about how horrible an incident it must have been to be a mediator and a war breaks out? Oh my, you guys treat it like you got sneak attacked or held under terms for 10 months + 350k tech. Get over it already. Be honest and stop pretending this was some end of world offense, we all know you've tried so hard to distance yourselves from the orders, you don't need to roll on the ground crying about being the poor mediator again.

  24. War Propaganda

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='AbstractSkylines' timestamp='1296968380' post='2621345']
    here's a little bit for the advertising of the Polaris cause.
    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFP9bFF_Wos"]Join New Polar Order[/url]
    [/quote]
    I think you guys just committed a war crime.

  25. SNAFU DoW

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    [quote name='Tequila Mockingbird' timestamp='1296970110' post='2621426']
    tpf declared on goons a member of doomhouse, thus entered a state of warfare with all member alliances


    tl;dr tpf declared on us but have fun all the same!
    [/quote]

    If you are using treaties as an example of who hit who, surely doomhouse hitting NPO would mean you guys declared on TPF first? If we are going by attacks, then certainly mk hit TPF first. Either scenario, using your logic or ours puts mk as the aggressors.

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