[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='Kyaris' timestamp='1300476822' post='2669251']

Our cause is solid.
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Your cause is little more than being a thug. Unless you can justify this in some coherent manner.

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1300429499' post='2668837']
no, we're using the fact that 75% of your NS is in PM vs our current 18% (most of which has been in war recently). Most of your NS in PM has stayed there throughout the war.
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76/186 = 18%?

You probably make pretty harsh curves.

[IMG]http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/mhawkcmaster/mk.jpg[/IMG]

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='montypython' timestamp='1300343057' post='2667320']
I'm only implying my own feelings that I, personally, would rather fight and lose, than sit in PM and have no respect shown to me. And yes, you could ask Umbrella to surrender to TPF, but the difference is that we are winning the fight, thus giving us the key bargaining chip in peace talks. I would also like to state that you completely skipped the whole bit about explaining our reasons for declaration to the uneducated masses.
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Your reason for declaring as per Archon's DoW? or Roquentin's blog? Or the everything must die thread?

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='montypython' timestamp='1300342286' post='2667288']
So by stating that you skipped my second sentence, you're stating that you don't care what the members of your alliance think about the war. I made up the part about there being logs, that was stated in humor. But I could probably get some logs of some NPO friends calling me names, and that would be sufficient for the cause. Although, I also stated that the reasoning for this war isn't understood by many "on your side" because those who understand it aren't willing to take some imaginary risk by telling their alliance our side of the story. You didn't start this war? Oh, my bad, I should have more clearly stated, here: "mhawk didn't start this war." Now, I wouldn't go as far as to state that raising questions is a worthy reason to be attacked, I simply stated that the tone of your statements shows that you have a negative attitude towards the peace which could be so easily accomplished.


But I did, as I more clearly stated above.
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"If you want to state things like, DH is "erasing years of work from hundreds of players," then you should consider why these rulers of nations would state as their reasons for ruling their respective nations."

You are trying to rationalize the damage you wish to inflict on players, by implying it will be fun? For whom? If that is the case then surely whatever caused you guys to become upset in the first place can be rationalized as "fun" from one side or another.

I could ask umbrella to surrender to TPF. That could also be so easily accomplished... Just a few sigs and a post, everything is over right? Of course that won't happen the same way stating these terms could easily be executed if the other party just yields completely to your demands. It's really a rather weak argument you've created to try to justify your alliance's actions.

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1300341040' post='2667205']
NPO threatened, within the first couple of days of war, to PZI or EZI every individual nation who was in peace mode for any reason. We are saying we won't give the [i]alliance[/i] peace till they stop systematically using peace mode as a way to avoid fighting entirely as they've been doing for over a month now.

Not comparable at all. Even then the intention, to keep people from using peace mode as a way to avoid war entirely, was fine then and it's fine now.

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So you'd also advocate the justness in holding an alliance in perma war if they do not comply with sending nations out of peacemode?

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1300341743' post='2667252']
Scuffling a bunch of unfunded sub-20k nations is not a war. If NPO has no intention of coming out of peace mode that means all those nations will eventually grind into nothingness, with no support. Then all that will be left will be inconsequential nations, and nations in peace mode. Where NPO goes from there is anyone's guess. But I submit that actually fighting a war is better than eternity in peace mode.
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You realize that as war carries on, top end nations that enter the war will become the lower tier. In a war like this if you sent your middle tier in, 6-7 weeks later, they will become the upper tier. This far into a war, saying x amount of "upper tier" nations means nothing.

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='montypython' timestamp='1300339742' post='2667157']
I have never uttered the statements which you so eloquently stated. If you want to state things like, DH is "erasing years of work from hundreds of players," then you should consider why these rulers of nations would state as their reasons for ruling their respective nations. I also don't like how you state that we attacked "completely unprovoked." If you look at some logs I can post for you (as you did in one of your previous statements), it's quite clearly stated that you stated statements which provoked our (as you stated) attacks. A lasting peace is not to be expected with the attitude that your statements carry. Maybe you should think about how you state things.
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You'll note, "some on your side have said". I didn't claim you specifically stated as such. Your second sentence doesn't have a coherent thought to address so I'll skip it. I would however appreciate you posting the logs which you cite as provocation worthy of unending war or destruction of complete upper tier.

I didn't start this war, you guys did. I think you'd have a hard time finding more than a sentence or two said about umbrella from me in the last year before you attacked our MADP partner.

So raising questions is worthy of getting attacked again? Did I take this statement wrong? Please address it if I did and what you actually meant.

[quote]A lasting peace is not to be expected with the attitude that your statements carry.[/quote]

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1300341115' post='2667210']. Whoever thought these up needs a pay raise, truly, because you're actually forcing NPO to say their actions were wrong, even if it's not directly.
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Did you read the statement given by NPO awhile ago regarding FAN?

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1300338183' post='2667098']

And yes, Legion will also face demands that they leave peace mode, though I have not yet met with them about peace. They have not come to us, as far as I'm aware.
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What justification do you have for this?


So a "simple peace" means no reparations and no terms?

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='montypython' timestamp='1300337894' post='2667078']
We obviously haven't stated this clearly enough, but if you think about it, how long is a month? Do you want it to be a February-length month or a June-length month? And what is a simple peace? I think simple refers to how easily it is come to, which could mean that we demand billions in reps and you simply agree to them. All of these things need to be more clearly stated. This guy is right.
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Well in all honesty, the terms of 10 billion and 300k tech were considered fair and light by some on your side. You actually do need to specify situations like this when you want to demand erasing years of work from hundreds of players. If anyone could trust your word, you might have a better response. However you guys attacked completely unprovoked and have been changing your reasoning nearly every week. How we can expect a lasting peace when this very war was brought to us for the reasoning of "you're cowards" or "everything must die", how about "NPO is too big a threat".

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1300337152' post='2667042']
You are incorrect on every count.

A month of war is a month of war. When NPO emerges and doubtless takes the offensive, one month will be added to the date column and Pacifica granted opportunity to simple surrender from that point forward. We could offer NPO a specific date to emerge, but it would be foolish for them to accept such, as we would then know precisely when we get to lambast them. Pacifica is free to have any concerns it may have about the peace at the end of the month prior to any emergence and have already had some of their concerns addressed.

Your argument that things are "completely open" has about as much merit as HeroofTime's rants in the Polar peace thread.
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Ok first off, what does "a simple peace" mean? 0 reps or terms?

Second you state a majority of nations, does that mean 51%? does it mean 90%?

Third. You even state "give or take a few days".


Here is the thing. You are essentially saying you're willing to conduct an endless war that you aggressively started if NPO and probably Legion don't meet your terms, terms you didn't outline in any quantitative way.

<VektorZero> How about our allies. Can we expect the same terms for them?
<Ardus[MK]> Legion at the very least.
<Ardus[MK]> Peace term wise

Then you add in your cute little thing about anyone who speaks badly of these terms, more punishment will be given?

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

[quote name='montypython' timestamp='1300337122' post='2667040']
It's quite clearly stated in the statement that what was stated is that they will be given peace after the stated period of one (1) month. Do you understand what was stated in the statement or did you miss that bit of statement? I don't mean to state the obvious, but just sayin.
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I'm going directly off the logs from the talks between DH and NPO.

[A Statement from Doomhouse]

The reason this is unacceptable is that you want the majority of upper nations to come out, then a month of war (no specific date set) THEN you'll start talks on peace.

Your war was started out of pure aggression and you have the audacity to claim moral superiority, even better demand reparations from "the cowards". You put in writing a start and end date, you'd probably get a deal. The fact you leave it completely open and state there will be no negotiations on this term makes it absurd. Umbrella, MK, GOONS will be remembered for their criminal aggression.

[An Imperial Announcement from the New Pacific Order]

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1299991491' post='2662396']
And therein lies the problem, they should have done it [I]after[/I] the war. Anyone can apologize with a gun at their head.
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As you drag your mindless war of aggression out longer, we shall see if it holds true for you in the long run.

[Citrus Exchange]

4) Protected nations agree to commit the majority of their slots (3 slots for nations with 5 slots, 4 for nations with 6 slots) to the protecting alliances. They may use the remaining slots at their own discretion.

Tech zombie alliance?

[An agreement of peace]

[quote name='JT Jag' timestamp='1299260399' post='2652549']
We probably all should be hovering around ZI in theory, considering the mass of NS you arranged against us.

The NS damage you have done to our alliance, while it [i]seems[/i] massive on paper, is simply repeated instances of 20-35k NS nations getting knocked down into the 10k ranges due to nuclear warfare, which is typical. And that is the sort of damage that can be repaired extremely quickly with a good post-war rebuilding plan.
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You guys seem to be getting a billion or so every 10 days. I'd say it would take a damn near perfect hit to keep you guys at around ZI considering CnG is also hitting us from the side.

[An agreement of peace]

[quote name='Udelar Johnson' timestamp='1299259373' post='2652539']
And when the dust settles, we're going to take a long, hard look at everyone who participated in the most ineffectual attempted dogpile in CN history.
[/quote]
If this is one of the most ineffectual hits in cn history, I'd really get a kick out of seeing what an average hit would look like on you guys. Maybe your entire alliance would be zt/zl/zi?

[Nordreich Kaiserlich Decree]

Understandable, but unfortunate move NoR. Not a fan of what else was brought into this dow though.

[An agreement of peace]

[quote name='Feldheim C' timestamp='1299140076' post='2650977']
First off, Olympus has given me two of the only three combatants that have fought well so far this war (the third coming from those cool guys in the NSO) and it will be a shame to watch them go.

Secondly, I highly doubt it considering how poorly TPF has stacked up so far. Things will be easier for us now that an actual fighting force is out of the conflict. Now remind me how you have an effective winning strategy while we steamroll your nations into dust.

There is no good guy, bad guy dynamic here. Just winners and losers and those who were smart to get out early while the rest fall to the dogs of war.

P.S. I can't wait to see the screencaps of the one victory you guys were able to get on an inactive nation.
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I can't wait to see performance reviews of entire alliances based on hitting a 20 day old 2k ns nation. I hope you see the irony to your statement.

Thanks for the help Oly, good luck with peace.

[NPO & The War]

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1298925272' post='2646987']
mhawk: Your belief that anyone actually still believes anything you say is an insult to the intelligence of everyone who has ever dealt with you at the government level.
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I know such controversial statements as "lintwad isn't in TPF" must be barely intelligible to a superlative intellect. My apologies for insulting trickery.

[NPO & The War]

[quote name='JT Jag' timestamp='1298910611' post='2646872']
Information that has been rumored for quite a while, and really doesn't matter at this point, but sorta interesting nonetheless.

That "protecting NPO" talk flies directly in the face of a lot of the posturing both of the Orders have made.
[/quote]
You'll notice the individuals quoted are not from either Order. If we quoted roquentin stating Goons must be saved at all costs, does that mean it is policy for goons to behave in such a manner? Of course not, try finding quotes from individuals in the alliances. The same way you can't quote lintwad speaking for TPF that we were going to enter.

[NPO & The War]

For reference the TCK quote is after I saw the MK "everything must die" thread and told him we need to get ready.

Further the stuff about STA going in was in the first day after NpO was hit, obviously weeks later we were not in the war and you see the quote from TCK that now is the time to get ready - this would indicate we were not getting ready before the mk thread. Probably a more accurate way to figure out what TPF was going to do would be to spy on us instead. We have much more complete logs on the matter to be spied than tidbits of "NPO must be savedddd!" followed up by a quote 3 weeks later with scattered references to hours before polar was hit.

[A Dark Templar Announcement]

[quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1297920857' post='2636398']
False assumption, Nuclear wars are fairly evenly destructive no matter how many pile where. NS is NS and nukes is nukes. Dog piles don't really favor the larger party until after their targets run out of nukes.
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Dogpiles deplete your nuke count rapidly with multiple sdi opponents.

[Announcement from The Order of the Paradox]

Horrible memories are coming about tonight....

[Round 3:]

Does this count as round 4 rsox?