Triyun
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Tianxian Forces now stood in control of Burma firmly after several months of heavy fighting against militias pushing many of them along with the main elements of the nationalist parts of the Burmese military into India. Plans had now shifted to the independence fighters in South East Asia, many of which were isolated. Appeals to the international community had fallen on deaf ears.
The beginnings of the signs of a near inevitability of Tianxia reclaiming the Southern Empire began with the seizing of gas fields and fishing grounds in the South China Sea and closure of the Strait of Malacca to the Vietnamese, Thais, and Cambodians.
Protests against Chinese domination were now increasing among nationalists in those countries. They slowly began to turn against the large Chinese Diasporas and loyalist communities which still paid tribute to Beijing. In Thailand the Royal Family with its marriage ties to the Yuan was also increasingly becoming unpopular.
In Vietnam a highly controversial decision was made to suspend Threat Reduction Initiatives and Nuclear Fuel Imperial Community agreements with Nanjing. This being the necessary first step for Vietnam to take control of Imperial Nuclear Forces left over from the Yuan Jia Empire, within Vietnam's borders.
In turn a mobilization was triggered along with border and two marine taskforces began moving, with a third one reinforcing the Imperial Base at Cam Ranh Bay.
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Prince El-Amin:
Defense Minister Chen is being dispatched to Riyadh for discussion of the bases. Will Sheikhs from Iran and Oman be present for the event. We remain unclear on how this new Arabian Nation functions.
Respectfully,
Emperor Yuan Shizhi of Tianxia
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Oh its getting good now. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Note the word for. I did not roll her for RPing a diaspora. I have rolled her for other reason. Yes I did support rolling Kanks for other shens such as trying to start wars against me, plotting against my allies, committing genocide. All valid CBs.
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I didn't roll Kanks or Horo for RPing the Chinese Diaspora in Indonesia. My issue is when people claim to have a population from territory I control that left while I was controlling it.
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Indian Ocean Command was caught off guard with the collapse of the Athenian Federation, a sign of how intelligence since Tianxia's isolation had suffered. Requests had been immediately placed to Nanjing to begin shifting assets to the Indian Ocean in order to both identify the cause of unrest in the area, and prepare the necessary responses to safe guard Tianxia economic, geopolitical, and political interests in the rapidly changing MENA landscape.
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Man, I miss that world. Why cant we bring that back? :(Make a nation? But don't throw a brick through someone's window stronger than you?
I can't speak for Cent's policy, but my personal issue tends to be with people claiming entire populations left my territory to form a new nation cause those are my citizens. That or outright genocide. Other than that I don't care. If you wanted to go bring back Tahoe or something go for it. I believe Eva's dividing up the American Commonwealth to all takers in the West anyways.
And Dillon, unless I missed something Russia does have colonies in the Horn of Africa and Western Canada.
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Hide Melech!
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Tianxia requests a meeting for the negotiation of a new treaty and revised agreement for our joint bases in Oman and Bandar Abbas.
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This will be interesting.
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Haters gonna hate hate hate. I'm just gonna shake shake shake.
Shake it off.... into the DANGERZONE
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Grand Secretary Wei Hai of the Imperial Court will attend for Tianxia.
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Interesting land is subjective. People can make any part of the world interesting if they put effort into it. You can also work to recover it.
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Well, so long as you can find a silk nationalist neck tie and not some horrid blend like most of them are... would you not?
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1. The friendship of people at the top hadn't developed in the Martencist era to the degree it did later.
2. There aren't any Nords to get over anything. I'm the last one of that era.
3. It really is so much the final thing, the IRC interactions of the community. The fact that the #CNRP IRC is owned and operated by a banned member who has been consistently casually, cheerfully abusive, having to put up with the nastiness where people are making racist, sexist, or just generally gross comments...And it's not as though my slate is clean; I argued with people and acted the ass on more than one occasion, I'm just not going to reproduce the litany of my sins here. But it's not enough to say "don't bring your home life to work", as the case is here; if you think someone is a terrible person OOC, you don't want to do anything with them IC...Business is always personal. It's also not enough to say "Grow up" "It's just a game/the internet/etc". When you have one person constantly making racial slurs, casual homophobic insults flying around from another, and more filth from a third, why would I want to engage with anyone, OOC or IC?
I really don't have a dog in this fight, but it's gone unsaid too long, at least unsaid by me.
Edit: Also, to be specific, it's hard to take your commentary as weighty when, like has been mentioned before, I get to stare at this:
I don't know if this is a trophy to you, but the appearance is that you've been counting coup.
1. I don't think that that the first part is true at all. I know of a lot of very close friendships during the Martenist Era. Let us not forget that during the Martenist Era, Kaiser Martens was actually given special stats several times the size of his in game nation by his friends. If that's not a special treatment for a hegemon I do not what is. They all agreed Lavo got special planes that could dog fight at Mach 3. That top tier got a lot of 'special' perks.
2. That's fair but I was speaking more to how they've behaved since power diffused South and East. Martens, Vince, Drake, and Vektor (though Vektor was better at this) weren't ever shut out, they just didn't get to be this huge force. They had to share power and they instead just packed up. That's sort of how I see it tbh.
3. I've had my issues with Sargun in the past, we get along pretty well now, but I have to say that he's not that bad relatively speaking, and its not really an impediment for using IRC to the extent that it has been used. You can use the query function without using #cnrp. I don't really see how it can be blamed at all. Its not like #cnrp2 was managed any better. As far as racist or homophobic remarks, most of that is sarcasm. Its internet humor, if you don't care for it that's ok, but don't act like its seriously indicative of people actually being racist or homophobic, come on.
As for Mael's commentary, yeah its humorous. Frankly it is. The context of that remark if you bothered to learn it was that he demanded to be recognized as a dragon who got to shoot nukes that were 'fire balls' immune to SDI defenses, and when he was made to do an SDI roll he rage quit. So what?
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Historically though, it often also shifted alliances on perceived threats (like in the diplomatic revolution between the War of Austrian Succession and the Seven Years War) and there is a case to be made that British policy towards Imperial Germany was less focused on containing Germany, than it was to avoiding issues with Russia, a policy that was entertained because while the Anglo-Japanese alliance gave some security, Britain worried about security needs if the Great Game resumed. Imperial germany was an aspiring power, but not in any position to challenge the British position sufficiently. But yeah, just pointing out, British foreign policy is more complex at times.
Which we'd never known how that would've developed because a shot was fired really early on.
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From a geopolitical viewpoint its hard to make the argument that Japan has or had a geopolitical stake in Europe. The only thing Europe offers Japan minus situations where its been an imperialist power of such vast magnitude and had logistical hubs in the far east, is a counter weight to a shared Eurasian threat. So I don't really see that. What Britain's view was fundamentally shaped around the 'special zone' France's allies claimed she had and the demands made upon Britain (this was during your OOC leave of absence mind you) to respect a special French priviledge. As a new power to the continent this makes no sense. Historically Britain has opposed these geopolitically against would be Hegemons: Hapsburg Spain and Austria, Royalist France, Revolutionary France, Imperial France, Imperial Germany, Nazi Germany, and finally Soviet Russia.
Nobody else on the continent really was making similar claims and had the potential to bring in outside powers to disrupt the balance of power. So therefore the British policy was to bring its power to bear to counterweight this and tip the continental balance in favor of the Eastern Bloc and her allies. That didn't mean an iron clad guarentee Britain would go to war with the Eastern Bloc or the sovereign state of Cisalpinia in and aggressive war, but yes it was implicit it would defend it against French or French allied incursion.
The point of all of this though reinforces the points I've been making. These are IC decisions which people choose to way over read into and take offense OOC. There was no implicit threat of aggression. There's simply no evidence for it. If people saw it its either that they have hyper active imaginations or paranoia. And both I think probably require assumptions based on the OOC person rather than IC nation. Granted France was a bit handicapped because it had poor diplomatic allies, but even still, if it acted on that the GMs had retconned that part of the RP, which again further reinforces this OOC thing.
People need to be mature about this and recognize IC and OOC divides necessarily exist, and treat the OOC domain respectfully and not let it bleed into the IC actions. If they cannot do that they have no real interest in reconciliation, and if that's the case, I'd appreciate not being lumped in with that, because again I'm ready to take in good faith an specific proposals for a new more unified community. I am just not willing to discuss butt hurtness over IC actions that should have no bearing on a new RP.
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The community has not been well for years; I recall early on it was a multi-polar, fascinating place, an impossible place, with people like LVN, Martens, Gebiv, etc. There was a good balance. The comfortable friendship of the top tier in CNRP1 before the rupture turned the world boring and stale, and to be honest, the nature of the IRC in CNRP1 made a lot of people unlikable. I realize it's an offsite dialogue forum, and that it is also the internet, wherein terrible things dwell, but the arrogance, "humorous" chauvinism, racism, the casual rudeness...well, I voted with my feet.
I prefer this new shattered world to any other; I roleplay my story, and if people don't care for it, that's their lookout, not mine. My heavy work schedule and "list of things to do today" precludes me from keeping up with RP often enough, and years of doing this have burned me out abit on story telling, so I lost my nation in CNRP2 to Cent's empire building. It's fine; the nature of the world now is so busted up that all I have to do is join another fracture, whereas before I would have been "forced" to play somewhere else on the map, probably some third world country where no one wants to play. And it was so tiring to hear people say "Thems the breaks kid" or "it's a challenge to your ability to write, you should embrace it". Whining about Germans in Africa and such because you've locked them out of anywhere they actually wanted to play on the map.
Not a problem anymore; three roleplays serve the community of interest better than one.
I normally don't post in these things because they usually end up to be pointless, buuuuut I feel like throwing my opinion in.
I feel like the main problem with this RP is the community instead You have two extremes, The "Tricent" side and the "revolutionary side". The majority of the RPers fall on one of these sides (to different extremes) and each side thinks their right. This leads to the incredible OOC !@#$%* fests that occur, and These !@#$%* fests are what puts new members off. Honestly you take one look at the conversations that go on in here and all it is is this incredible animosity that is always happening. Until BOTH sides can admit their wrong and BOTH sides can agree to change their overall attitudes, this community is going to continue to stagnate and decline.I understand your view, my issue is simply this. Yes we were more powerful, when we sneezed the world catches a cold, but when I look at behavior I just don't see where we're supposed to compromise.
Consider when we were in CN RP 2 together this last time (quantitatively military forces were about the same). The CB for attacking Britain was literally that it asked France for severing ties with Japan in exchange for France's proposal for an alliance with Britain. There was simply no threat of force if France did not comply. (You can read the post. Its non-existent.) However this was used as an excuse to try and stream roll Britain. The message I took from that is not that they want a fresh start ICly, they want to be able to do what they want and us what we want. The message I took is that they feel if they don't get everything they want and the world entirely revolve around their will they're going to break the sand box. Then consider how Mogar left CN RP 2. Mogar left it because DotCom was going to invade him. This was after Mogar demanded DotCom adopt a friendly policy towards Japan and proceeded to then harass her afterwards. Then consider his multiple freak outs on IRC, bringing up topics 4+ years old about grand victimization, spending months trashing other nations, then immediately turning around and demanding they come to his aid and being allies. I simply do not see what the point in giving concessions to this type of personality is going to get me other than demands for more concessions. He's simply a rude impolite person who lacks impulse control on these tbqh about it.
I've negotiated with people in CN RP I've disagreed with before. I've done asshole behavior to others and have it done to me. Most people can rise above that for civilized discussion where both sides talk without going off on long self victimhood soliloquies of questionable logical sequence. That's just not present here. Present me with substantive rule change and policy proposals, not demands of vagueries coupled with demands the world revolve around the self, I'm happy to sit down and discuss it. We both want part of NE Asia fine, I don't care about that. Never have, I've dealt with that IC with a lot of people: Keshav, Cochin, Kankou, Lavo, Mercy, Frost. Often it ended in conflict but one has to ask oneself why is this case specifically that there is so much bad blood. I've been in those other equations before without it being like this. I don't think I'm the x factor in the equation.
Its easy to say everyone's at fault. I don't deny that I can come across ICly as being very stubborn if my incentives IC say to do that, and OOC to say its a non-OOC issue, but I think that's different. I'm role playing a national leader. National leaders make cost benefit decisions. You do not see Putin withdrawing from Ukraine at the moment, you didn't see Saddam leave Kuwait till he started getting his ass kicked, you didn't see Bush not invade Iraq, you don't see Xi backing down on the South China Sea just because all of these are incredibly unpopular because they see it in their national interest and their personal political interest and the cost opposed on them isn't high relative to the perceived benefits accrued. I simply do not see 1) why this should be an emotional issue or subject to ranting 2) how these issues are anything but a political dispute and should be resolved in this arena. I do not agree with any of the moves IRL I brought up IRL, but I recognize the world as it is and if I am in a position where I am writing a position paper, editorial, etc, I engage with it as is, free of emotional jargon.
I would say that a similar course of actions should be necessary from people in CN RP in order for there to be community unity. What I have said is there is a flaw in the CN RP game system which is that the only course of forceful persuasion for you disagree with is military action. Which means if two people want say Silesia, which in and of itself is 100% fair and no foul on either, the only way for someone to resolve that dispute is to take it by force. Now I do not see the force as being necessary immoral, and the morality of the use of force in CN RP depends a lot where you sit. The Battle of Britain and the Drakan Invasion of whatever Mogar's South African nation was called has about the same level of justification IC, both involved bombing metropolitan targets not just military forces, but obviously people's positions on those two conflicts had very different positions on them not based on an objective moral standard. So you cannot 'legislate' players behaviors for standard of military force. Instead what I would say is introduce some sort of system that requires cost for holding new land and protectorates, and introduce a sanction system to impose cost minus the use of force. I would also say ban making diplomacy or 'diplomacy prep' i.e. knowing the outcome of diplomacy via IRC before it is posted on board. This would make the diplomatic system and the need to legitimate one's use of military force much higher.
To Margrave's post, I guess I would say I'm not sure. I don't think that cooperation between Lavo and Lynneth, who for most of that time were the two largest nations by a good margin was that big a factor in global politics, and I know for a fact that I did go to war when I invaded Europe against that Martenist Bloc we had him cooperating with Lavo, and though they had just fought a planned war our bloc thought Lynneth, plus he was merged with BR making them the biggest. I didn't necessarily see that as a deterrent. I think you're sort of super imposing a few things.
-First I don't think that what the top 2 nations matter that much, and for most of the Tianxia-Athenian Alliance they weren't the top two nations. Again Lyn-Lavo cooperation never mattered all that much. Both Lyn and EM were bigger than Cent, and Cochin and Kankou were about even.
-I think the Martenists or Germanics in particular do need to sort of get over stuff. What I mean by that is that I've found they sort of take the view if they can't get exactly what they want they tend to leave. I take the view it would be the same to me saying if I can't have all China right away I'll leave. I think one of the problems is staying power.
-Which brings up the other thing. Cent and my alliance is firmly routed on one foundation: reliability. Its not broness. Sarah's ranted about Cent holding Europe in a stranglehold in the past, and everyone knows I listen to her more than everyone. So I don't think its fair to say its OOC, and indeed there have been some instances where Cent and my alliance has been strained such as my growing relations in the past with Poland and Japan, and his with Germany. But the fact is while other players are fickle, Athens and Tianxia are two established states that you can be confident will be around in 2 months to help you deal with the consequences of you supporting the other on a dispute. Both are roughly committed to the rule of law and international norms, though I have more a American approach to it, he has more of a European one. Both are relatively territorially happy, so you don't have to trade land gains for favors. That's why the Athenian-Tianxia Alliance works. I'd say I tend to like Eva, Shammy, MGL, and Justinians states as major powers but I don't trust the first two to necessarily be in the same nation in two months, and I don't trust the latter two to always post when they say. If Athenian Interests are stable non-expansionist relatively, committed to rule of law, and its reliable, why wouldn't Tianxia have a partnership? It is the same reason the US and EU cooperate so closely despite being by far (at least potentially if EU gets its shit together) the two most powerful and certainly two most advanced political entities in the global order IRL.
In CNRP2, players actions pretty much pushed Carthage and Sparta and then Carthage and UK close together the same way. People have to take responsibility for their own actions. If you treat two players going into the game at the same time with a level of hostility, demanding their recognize your special zones of influence while denying them their own, of course their going to cooperate. Its common sense.
I hope Eva and PDs efforts are successful, and if there is substantive proposals with details of improvements not just grievances I'm open to cooperating and having a dialogue. But I won't do negotiations that are just demanding apologies and nerfing for perceived slights that when subject to scrutiny don't really match what the complainers say.
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Well maybe I'll stop when we get to double digit acronyms.
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Its good to know people still think of me. :wub:
PD remember to be careful when handling the Sith Holocrons.
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The advance of the Tianxia forces through Burma had been sudden, within two weeks a country almost twice the size of Germany had been overrun by Imperial Forces. Under the pretext of right to protect Chinese and traditionally imperial loyalist minorities, a dispatch was put out announcing to the world that the Empire was recognizing the Autonomous Imperial Republics of the Shan State and Tartaninthary State, which due to the old canal zone, had begun heavily ethnically Chinese.
The Imperial Loyalists in the region were quick to collaborate with the returning Empire in identifying those who were in favor of a continued independent Burmese state. Among the ethnically majority Burmese, there was a split, many factory workers along with the commercial elites were in favor of the Imperial reannexation by the Empire due to the jobs and access to the massive economic engine to the north.
By contrast many of the political elite, rural classes were in favor of continued independence. Many cities were quick to pledge loyalty to the throne, but fighting in the countryside became increasingly fierce.
Along the border with India, a refugee crisis continued to mount, while Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos all moved their armies to high alert. Open source images placed the deployment of road mobile ballistic and cruise missiles in Burma. Squadrons of Tianxia Swarm boats, representing the height of adherence to jeune d’ecole were being moved from the Yellow Sea towards Hainan, Singapore, and not the Burmese Coast. The deployment was clearly meant to signal the ability to not just launch a counter intervention operation, but blockade the entire coast line of continental SE Asia and force SE Asia into a continental system with the Empire in order for access to Asia.
Equally disturbing to global watchers perhaps was and interview with former Grand Secretary Wei Hai from Beijing Review:
Interviewer: In regards to the question of the territory of the Empire, there are some who have called for the reclamation of all territories, there are those on the otherside who have said that the Empire’s actions in its former territories not presently controlled are illegal and that we need to accept that the Empire was too large and that states are equally sovereign and free to go their own way. This has been left largely in flux.
Wei: Clearly, there are nations who have had their sovereignty recognized, an example of Japan is this. The Emperor has openly recognized them as a sovereign state. Similarly the Holy American Imperium and the Tianxia Empire were in personal union, not one state. However, insurrection and rebellion is a crime. This is a domestic issue not a international one. The dissolution of the Empire is illegal unless signed specifically by the Emperor and his government.
It is the height of ignorance to think any country, especially a great one would tolerate insurrection and separatism of this nature. I should expect that it will soon be the case that the Emperor having gathered sufficient strength will be restoring order here and reasserting the Imperial presence, especially protecting its own citizens beyond borders it controls but ones which it has reasonable claim to.
The notice of the interview set off alarm bells with the Indochinese countries, Thailand, and Malaysia to send messages to the international community requesting assistance. Several Central Asian States have also petitioned the now largely inactive UN, requesting a formal resolution of the General Assembly resolution reaffirming the sovereignty of their territories at the possibility of Tianxia revanchism.
Meanwhile Tianxia has also reported that the Global Prompt Strike command within the 2nd Artillery has been returned to highest operational status, and that once again Tianxia would be drilling to maintain a credible list of kinetic and non-kinetic, conventional and non-conventional capabilities up the escalation against global targets.
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No one likes getting bandwagoned, that's not the same thing as disliking bandwagoning generally.
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This is CNRP, it is stated so in my first post. Learn to read.
Eva who cares what RP its nominated from.
well, enjoy your whopping 3 active players to choose from then.
Is it hard keeping grudges this long on a forum?
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Claiming Burma also.