[The Dark Order DoW]

I pointed one in question to one of your members they know exactly who I am looking at we are just keeping it off the forums

then pm me his name.

[The Dark Order DoW]

Cute stuff, it's crazy, I pointed out one of your recruits to your in game friend that you guys are obviously talking. The guy has ties with avengers and NM and a solid builder but yet?? He's brand new to the game knows TDO ties and all. I'm frankly impressed. Not to mention the people he is tied with to say the least are not good people. Stop the BS its getting old

I'd be interested to know how some of my friends for years got ties to the avengers without my knowledge, you either have the wrong guy or are just making !@#$ up.

you present me numbers with out the math, and claims & accusation without anything to support them, you say the math can get you banned, to that i say who is really playing "dirty" then.

what i wrote is the truth, of how i found the game, how i played, and i am sure your spies in AoW, FF, and TDO have told you that already so don't play stupid.

if you have any evidence that i'm lying, please present them to me, or report me. i'm not gonna go to great length to prove anything to you, i'll answer to the admins not to you.

 

ps: just because i crushed your precious DTs argument doesn't mean you have to try and get me banned, i'm not the only one who can use logic in the forum.

 

edit: how do you know what members are my recruits and what members are not? i did not mention any names. 

[The Dark Order DoW]

Its amazing how well these nations already know the game and you don't play SE. You have a total of 19 post so I'd assume you're also new? I suppose if you're bringing new nations into TE, that's a good thing right? 

well what is amazing is how helpful TDO has been in training those nation, some of them rerolled because of the mistakes they made,they are getting the same training i got last round,and i am very grateful for it.

some of them did not get a grasp of the game yet and some made some bad mistakes this war, some are better than others, as i said most of us are strategy gamers(Total wars series, empire earth, age of empires, civilizations...), and this game is not that difficult to understand, especially with the great help of TDO .

 

i made an account in SE first (found the game after googeling "politics game", because i felt a lack of politics in the games i was playing, but i had something more graphic in mind) i was overwhelmed with the recruitment messages and did not know what to do, and kept watching for like a month (plus my ruler name was Dario(miss spelled daario) nation was iron islands, i deleted that at least and made the storm crows later).

 

at some point there i TE as Khal Drogo, looked for the top nations randomly chose caz, asked him if he wants to buy some tech, he told me that it is not the case in TE, that led to me joining Atlas, the rest you know.

 

In SE i joined R&R at the end, but i did not finish the academy and did not have time for it with focusing on TE too,  especially with the pain in the ass university, as i'm basically always preparing for the upcoming exams, so i recently resigned R&R and decided to focus on TE.

 

some of my friends are now trying out SE, i noticed it seems to be a custom here that all TE people came from SE and i seem to have broken that tradition. 

SE is very big, and seems a lot more complicated than TE, and takes more time, i will get back to it at some point, and to be honest i like TE more, its 60 or 90 days, then you go back from the beginning so there is always a challenge and it is a race to the top which makes it more fun in my opinion, and if at some point i did not find time, i can rest for a round or two and come back.

 

So here you go, my cards on the table as i have nothing to hide, i did not have to explain my self to you, but i did it anyway, and if you are thinking that bringing new player to TE is a bad thing, please explain to me why? as i hear this game is suffering from a decline in membership. 

 

ps: i don't cheat, not in single player, not in multi player games, the only time i cheat is GTA and not in missions, sometimes i get weapons and fight the police. i don't have to prove anything to you, but if the admins have any questions i will be more than happy to prove that i am not a double, unlike you i'm here to have fun not violate other peoples privacy. and cheating is lame and no fun.

[The Dark Order DoW]

Oh but all have not been recruited by you :)

6 people to be more exact, more are coming next round as i can not stop talking about the game with everyone i know :D

[The Dark Order DoW]

ha you and I both know it's just about impossible to successfully report something like this. Heck TDO might
Even be innocent and know nothing about all these bonus nations showing up in TDO. But I highly doubt that. Stop playing innocence you aren't fooling anybody

I think i understand what you mean, if you are referring to the new nation that came in TDO and you don't recognize from last round, that was my doing, those new nations are my friends in RL who i recruited. most of them are strategy gamers like myself.

so if that was what you meant, there is nothing "dirty" going on there, just normal new players like myself.

[The Dark Order DoW]

You got yourself an alliance that's about 25-30% dirty.

can you please at least show me the math that got you to the result that 7.75-9.3 of TDOs members are "Dirty" and also define dirty.

thanks.

[The Dark Order DoW]

If you had noticed all of D1/WD's vets were fighting all of Avengers vets.

 

The inexperienced and bottom tiers fought NM, not to mention NM was all over the place, almost all of their TC's were incomplete. NM had some statistical advantages such as high tech, infra levels and high leveled aircraft fighters but they had no war chest levels and it looked like many of them bill locked themselves. This is not the fault of D1/WD's who were more organized, better trained and fought together.

 

This war is nothing in comparison to that war. This isn't about bad organization on D1/WD's part, its that they have every statistical advantage stacked against them. You're desperation to justify your down declare and to make me look like a hypocrite is showing though, keep trying..

your lack of understanding of basic logic amazes me to the point that sometime i can't tell if you are serious or not.

most of NM were inexperienced,as i have noticed, and most of D1&WD are not, so if you can explain that further and give more examples on that that would help make your point about NMs war(numbers would be appreciated).

 

before i continue let me state this as you seem to have missed everything i mean to say, or you are just pretending to have missed it to avoid answering my questions:

i am NOT a representative of TDO neither am i trying to justify or unjustify any decision the TDOs government made(its simply not my place or job to do so), all i am trying to do is to point out YOUR hypocrisy, and point out that this war is none of your business down declare or not, and that you are not better than the image you draw of the avengers to be, you are either the same or worst than that image.

 

That being said, even if yo are right about who fought whom in NM, that war was clearly unfair, and you can see the effect of it in NMs stats after, and it was also unfair to attack the avengers after they have been hit with a wave of dirty spy ops, the same logic applies if someone had attacked misfits after the 8th day.

 

and i would also like to point out, that TDO is not made of veterans, we have our inactives and noobs too, and i am one of the noobs.

 

just to stress this again, my point of the posts is not claiming this was not a down declare, i am also not claiming it was a down declare. all i am saying that it is none of your business, and you are not the one to talk, as you cheer for down declares when they happen against your enemies and condemn them when they happen against your friends. i am not comparing this war to WD&D1 vs TA&NM war (although it is comparable) i am comparing your stands on the wars that involve your friends to the wars that involve your enemies.

 

ps: i am a hypocrite in somethings, just not yet in the game, or the forum posts, if you wanna prove that wrong you are welcome to try.

[The Dark Order DoW]

No amount of BS you's post is going to change that fact that i don't just talk about trying to keep TE fair like yourselves, I will put action into opposing those who are making efforts to do the opposite even if that means my nation burns in the process. You made a massive down declare avoiding stronger alliances that hadn't yet warred and to rub salt in the wound, you also used nukes on non-nuclear nations. This is the worst war I've ever seen and it was started by those who are preaching about fairness.

Then why didn't you oppose WD&D1 attacking NM (forget about avengers here) just NM on the 8th day of the round? that was an unfair down declare and i did not see you doing anything to oppose it or stop it.

 

Who said anything about that? What alliance are you even in? Oh wouldn't you like in my my goodie secrets

well said :D but i'm sure there are somethings you don't know, i just really don't like inaccuracy :D 

[The Dark Order DoW]

We know all your secrets. ;)

i pmed a member of TDO 2 days ago something that was a secret, what member did i pm and what was the secret? 

[The Dark Order DoW]

Down declaring noobs that use nukes against non-nuclear nations deserve far worst and it'll come one day. If you want to exact revenge for D1/WD's rolling Avengers so be it but don't complain when it comes back around.

and if you want to attack everyone who has a different opinion than you don't pretend that you care about "down declaring noobs" or WD. 

 

again, YOU ARE NOT THE POLICE OF TE, don't pretend that you are all fair and wise, it is very obvious that you are doing that for your own personal reasons not for sake of fairness and morality(something you seem not to understand).

 

I down declared on fatal, he sent me a message said good luck, i sent him back wishing him the same, next reset i got attack by cowboy and fatal, i am both honored and scared to be fighting against such veterans and it is really not easy, but i'm having fun. 

Nukes did not fly before the dirty spy ops started, and if WD wanted peace they could have offered it and TDO would accept as BG have stated.

my point being, even if you are right, it is NOT your place to stick your nose into something that you were NOT involved in,D1 and WD are the only ones who have a place, and at least D1 did not seem to mind.

tell me what is the difference between you and what you claim the avenger are (or these powerful alliances controlling everyone), if you act like you are the god of everything who decides who deserves what?

 

Its funny how you sound just like BG. We know whats going on in TDO, your not fooling us and yes we've been watching closely.

  ohhhhh careful TDO the Targaryens are watching

[The Dark Order DoW]

 

 

How did i miss that gold.

 

 

BS talker, haven't you noticed, many of these leaders are trying to keep this game fun and fair as possible. Its not easy when you have a very small group controlling a very large group that are doing the total opposite.

this is the fecal matter of a bull coming out of your mouth DT(or your keyboard to be more accurate), you are such a hypocrite and a troll, you're not trying to make this game fair, you are just trying to make the avengers lose for what ever happened between you two in the rounds before that no one give an atom on a stinky hair of rats ass about.

you cheered for down declares when they were made against the avengers, and nightmare movement, yet when it is not on the avengers you are suddenly the moral angel of TE.

you complained about AoW helping the avengers last round, and yet you are doing the same for D1 now!

you talk about trying to make the game fair, you challenged BG for a 1v1 fight, and yet you attack him while he has 4 other wars and 2 days into a war, if you weren't a targaryen i'd be surprised.

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you made up your own rules of the game, and from what i observed you follow them when it pleases you, and you break them when it pleases you.

i don't know who appointed it the police of TE, that you have to come and judge every action ever made by anyone in the game, should every alliance submit a formal request her grace the queen of !@#$%^&* and hypocrisy to allow her blessings of attacking another alliance in a strategy game about war?

 

"Every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin" 

indeed.

 

[Heavy is the Head That Wears the Crown--A TPC DoW]

You are 100% right and I've stated this many times, I don't discriminate unless you do it to others.

 

Why are they allowed to down declare alliances but when it happens to them, they complain about it? This is the same concept as using econ ops and having those ops returned and them complaining bout you doing it back. You all have your morals wrong, i don't and i stand by those morals anyday and everyday. Go back to the old threads where we had these dramas with OP/WD's , even then i held the same beliefs and stated it many times over.

Alright, if i get your point right, you think if the somebody down declares on the avengers it is treating them with their own medicine and that is why you are for it. if that is your point, i disagree.

assuming you are right about the avengers,

if somebody down declares on the the down declaring avengers then that somebody is also a down declarer just like the avengers and does not deserve cheering,

in other words, if you are against down declaring, encouraging down declaring even when it is done to down declarers doesn't make you moral, it makes you a hypocrite (meaning no judgment or offense to hypocrites ;-) ) 

 

my main question is, assuming the avengers learned their lesson and became "fair", wouldn't just another alliance replace them and be the new down declaring alliance? maybe even the alliance you cheered for when they down declared on the avengers?

 

i don't know, you people have played more than me, was there ever a round without a down declaring alliance? 

[Heavy is the Head That Wears the Crown--A TPC DoW]

 

 

If you hate Stevie so much then just go over to his house and shoot through his windows like every girl I have ever wronged has done to me and quit the damn hate posting like a crazy love scorned biotch.

I think Stevie would rather have her complaining in the forum :D man you wronged some pretty messed up girls :D

 

Its not so much for winning but for how they're winning.

 

Many consider their unconventional tactics underhanded and immoral to achieve these round wins.  If you watched them closely, their early wars are very calculating,  because they mass donate/temp, they're able to use this economic advantage to stall others still trying to get their nations off the ground so they can't offer Avengers a real fight later. They know they can never hold down a full strength, TPC, WD, and OP at the same time so they shut them down early.

 

When i was an Avengers, we hit WD's with nukes while they had nil MP's and nil SDI's, and after they bought wonders so they really couldn't do anything even with double our nation count, i believe they use this war as an example of their biggest up-declare ever. This is an inside example of how calculating and underhanded Avengers operate. 

 

Their words don't mean anything if their actions contradict their words.

 

They play all the cards when it suits them, the pity cards, the rage quitting cards, you name it but like i said, its the actions that matter the most to everyone and its the actions of their alliance, not on a individual level, no matter how many charities they donated too , only the alliance matters at the end of the day.

 

They had 3 rounds before anyone did anything about the same BS they pulled in all of those 3 rounds. They cried about they were going to wait this time but only after D1/WD rolled them.

DT, it seems to me that you only complain about down declares if the avengers are doing it, but if people are doing it to the avengers you cheer that.

and please don't use the media article  key words crap like "Many consider" which is equivalent to "some people say" "experts believe" and means nothing.

you want me to draw conclusion about what you say you'll have to use numbers, exactly how many people consider...? 

[WD's & D1 Declare on Avengers & Nightmare Movement]

What does everyone think of me updating the stat losses each day of the war. Is it a good idea or a bad idea?

Thank you for your good work, i enjoy reading your analyses everyday.

[The Avengers needs some binkies]

 

I don't know why TDO feel so compelled to keep pushing the issue but it does raise suspicions. You're the only alliance not involved that has been trying to push the blame on myself and Misfits, you present absolutely zero proof in your accusations.

 

BG stated that my IRC friends are saying its me, I know this is a lie because the only two people i talk to on IRC have already confirmed its not true. Both of whom have never talked to BG on IRC.  I wasn't t going to bother to defend myself against malicious lies, but since you're all trying so hard to make me look like I'm responsible, i will start exposing them for what they are. BG assumed i talked to many people on IRC so i wouldn't be able to pin point this friend and prove its a lie, you were wrong. If you have proof then show it here BG or STFU and GTFO with your BS already. Your hatred for me is why you'd resort to these malicious lies.

 

I've already explained our position regarding rouges and Robert the usurper is dead already, murdered by a boar.   ^_^   Rhaegar will be revenged in the books, on the TV series and of course on CN:TE, mark my words.  :gun:I think your own brother will suffice

i'm not pushing the issue, that was just an answer to your last comment for me, the issue is over, i'm glad it is, live and learn for next time. me commenting here does not reflect anything about TDO the reason i'm doing it is because i was Khal Drogo last round, and with that name i could only make jokes, because i couldn't take my self seriously arguing against you :D, that is why i'm commenting here, it has nothing to do the TDO, and i don't know the history between you and the other leaders, but i know that in all the wars i fought (4 wars) with AoW and FF dirty spy ops were not allowed. but as i said it is over, nothing will be gained from discussing it further, i just wanted to answer your last comment for me.

 

i really hope we end up waring against one another (don't care who wins, just hope to have fun doing it :) ). murdered by a boar is how the realm put it, but you know exactly what murdered robert (and no spoilers for end of 5th book please, i still have about 200 pages to finish its getting really exciting).

[The Avengers needs some binkies]

Just one last comment from me replying to this:

 

You want us to apologize for a spy op committed by a nation that was a member of Misfits for 1-2 days. If i care to remember, I'll write a very sincere apology note on behalf of all of Misfits, when i send it, they may only get to read it while its airborne as it'll be stuck to a nuke.

 

The fact they retaliated so quickly with a IRS spy op against Kaboom after sgt styrker was removed, implies they didn't care.
 

And don't think I haven't got my eyes on this TDO, your alliance would also have good reason to start this BS up. You're obviously an allied alliance to Avengers and have proven this with AOW going to war for them last round.

Yes Dany, i want you to apologize for a spy op committed by a nation that was a member of Misfits for 1-2 days. as others already pointed out, it is just out of respect and just to say hi, this happened we are no responsible we dealt with it...etc, just to inform the other side that you are aware of the problem and are not behind it, this might have avoided the whole drama that followed after, and i say might because i'm not impressed with DDs reaction either.

my point being, both parties over reacted, then over reacted again in response to the other party's overreaction, and all that might have been done differently and a lot of drama could have been avoided.

that being said, i'm glad you both solved it.

 

You can have your eyes where ever you want khaleesi tell it to someone who cares, i'm not gonna touch how stupid your accusations are that TDO is behind this, and i'm not gonna speak for what my alliance leaders in terms on who they are allied with or not, but i am gonna state that it is none of your businesses who is allied with whom,we can be allied with the devil himself it is still none of your business, from what i saw from misfits last round you don't strike me as that ethical of alliance or to be better or worst than the avengers(not that i mind that).

 

ps: i'm very sorry to hear about your troubles KB, i sincerely wish you all the good luck possible.

pps: i do hope i will fight against you this round DT, for one reason, a war between Robert of the House Baratheon and Daenerys of House Targaryen would be something great to happen :D but you can ask Rhaegar about the results of fighting me, oh wait... 

[The Avengers needs some binkies]

So basically you claim DT makes all assumptions about everything which you literally just did the same thing. If you knew anything I try and run one of the most honest alliances in the game. I also had no idea of anything that had happened. DT told me being the leader to have it brought to your leaderships attention but they went ahead sending me a message bad mouthing me about something I have no idea about and threatening us without even talking about things. Seems to me a bunch of assumptions with no facts backing anything up. Also your leadership ignored my message of having no idea of anything and then spy oped me so shut yo trap fool you know nothing and stop trying to reverse everything

 Since you or DT did not send a message or declare an apology you can not blame the avenger for jumping to that conclusion! and since you both spent the last round just whining and complaining about the avengers and everyone who likes them and/or disagrees with you, you also should not be surprised that they mistrust you and your "honest" alliance.

now before you start accusing me of being an avenger cheer leader, and all this bullshit terminology you and DT came up with for basically everyone who has another opinion than you let me state this:

1. this is my second round, i have been here since the middle of the first round, and i have read most if not all your posts and DTs since then

2. i don't really care for the avengers, i don't hate them, i don't like them, my feelings about them are neutral, they have done me no harm, and i don't have enough information to judge them about anything

3. i disagree with the avengers actions to attack you back with spy ops, i think that was stupid, it would have been wiser if they just posted that in the OWF and demanded an explanation of this attacks, this is what i would have done.

now having that said, you complained about something (dirty spy ops) and expressed your disagreement and disbelief in that kind of action, after that you went ahead and did that same kind of action you just complained about, that my friend is called Hypocrisy, since you are "sinking to their level" that logically implies that you have no right to complain about anything and it also implies that by your own rules you should ban yourself from your alliance.

and since you are the "honest" and "ethical" alliance of TE complaining about the "unethical" AoW, FF, Avengers mistreating your alliance unfairly, some might consider having a spy in other alliances to invade the privacy of their announcement and post it in OWF unethical behavior  

[The Avengers needs some binkies]

 

 

To: Kaboom101 From: Daenerys Targaryen Date: 4/13/2015 2:59:16 AM

Subject: RE: Follow up
Message: I banned sgt stryker for spying and to send a message that we condone these actions. He spied Avenegrs of all alliances and targeted their IRS. 

Should we set some rules to the new guys about spying/raiding?

 

Clarify something for me please, when she said "to send a message", did she also literally send a message to the person spied on, or one of the leaders of the avengers explaining the situation and/or apologizing for the dirty spy ops ? 

[Omaha-perfect Defcon 1 and Misfits DoW on AoW & FF]

I HATE YOU DARES TAEPTERN 

 

 

Dude, it's Daenerys Targaryen, storm born, mother of dragons, breaker of chains, and my WIFE :D

you wanna hate the chick thats fine, but at least spell her name right :)

[Omaha-perfect Defcon 1 and Misfits DoW on AoW & FF]

The butt hurt is strong in this one.  :smug:

 

 

Next time don't fight other people's battles and save your resources to defend your own alliance. I said you can't blame anyone but yourselves if someone hits you and don't expect more rebuild time just because a handful of your nations burnt for someone else. You shot yourself in the foot now deal with the consequences.

 

jalan atthirari anni, Ki fin yeni!, Hash yer asti k’athijilari?

must you always be against us moon of my life? after all we've been through together, and mentioning not fighting other people's battle, i remember somebody asking me to sail all across the poinsed water for an iron seat!

there are no fair wars, me nem nesa.

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