Daenerys Targaryen

How did i miss that gold. BS talker, haven't you noticed, many of these leaders are trying to keep this game fun and fair as possible. Its not easy when you have a very small group controlling a very large group that are doing the total opposite.

You made 3 down declares so stop with the lies already. One hasn't attacked back and the others are all getting rolled to the point where they're losing everything they throw at you. I don't care about these limited nuke rules you made with D1, no one is going to stop me from using mine on you. I don't speak for D1 but you started using nukes first so how can there be any rules? You just want to use nukes on those who you're having a hard time with while you expect D1/WD's to stand back and watch. Watching them for many rounds now, I don't expect they let you get away with this BS. You didn't want a fair fight and on top you decided to use nukes just so they can't fight back, but I'll bring you a real fight. Not even filling my defensive slots is going to save your nation from burning. You sound like you've already lost the war and you're now reliant on others to come to your rescue. You're only really going to be fighting me and Fatal, all of his 5 opponents have more NS and you're scared that I'm fighting alongside one decent sized nation, you're a joke! You think i care about the spied nukes? I don't need nukes to stick a sock in your mouth.

I did try to declare on you first. :P Well 2nd right after BS talker.

Using nukes on non-nuclear nations means no one has to play fair with TDO, let alone the massive down declares and do you really think I'm not going to use my nukes? Do you really think i want a no nuke rule?

Talking BS is over now! Time to put all those threats into action now. Check your war screens and re-buy your soldiers. This is cute. o: Daenerys Targaryen From: BurningGlory Date: 5/2/2015 4:54:53 PM Subject: RE: War Declared! Message: Sweet, the brave DT takes action :) This of course just shows your cowardness, you have 2 wars I have 5. Just admit you can't take me on with even war numbers, it's ok to admit it just don't try to act like your some war God! BG You declared 3 down declares on nations with no nukes and you used them, all of your opponents are weaker in NS including my own nation. I made 2 up-declares and both have nukes but keep talking BS, that is all your good at. Look who walks the walk and not just talks now. Quickly now go beg for help from your other friends!

Or miss out 2 letters. I find it desperate and laughable to justify their use of nukes because they spent 10 mill there and not anywhere else, this has to be a first but I'll happily expose your blatant bias. Have you actually taken a look at TDO's offensive wars, almost all of them are down declares. It looks like they're using nukes on those who will struggle to rebuild. If your opponents don't have them then you should have stated you wouldn't use them in the DoW if you're not going to use them or any agreement between their govs, until then anything goes, including spying nukes, it only sounds like an excuse to use them on fronts where you're struggling. We all know TDO want to use them as much as possible but don't want all of your large and broke nations to take any hits, but its a dirty and cowardly act and it wont be forgotten in a hurry, I can assure you that. TDO have shown their true colors and we all know they're doing this not only to wage a soft war in the hopes they take minimal damages, but also for their friends in Avengers. Also this coward BG not only makes massive down declares, he starts to nuke these non-nuclear nations as well. This is the person calling everyone else out for down declares but he goes a step further and nukes them too. You're lucky I'm not in D1 and i was suppose to be there.

My first interpretation of it was what i said it was so you can't say it can't be.

You're right, I didn't translate "finds" to mean friends. I have finds friends and people I want to crush on both sides That makes complete sense now.

Expressing your opining or debating does not mean you hold a grudge against that person. If this was the case then I'd have grudges against even people I'm friends with. If you have something to say on these forums then expect a counter argument from those who disagree, this does not mean they have a grudge against you. This is not an unusual practice on the OWF, its pretty much all they do in the SE forums. But i should also clarify why I stated that you shouldn't hold grudges,. 'Let's be honest one side will win eventually and it doesn't bother me which side it is I have finds and people I want to crush on both sides. I'm just going to sit back war when we war and watch it all unfold.' Here is the definition of grudge: a persistent feeling of ill will or resentment resulting from a past insult or injury. Need i say more?

I've already been turned down cold on a 1v1 offer, I believe the excuse for the decline is that this person would destroy me. :D Oh yeah, we'll can we at at least find out? I guess this coward doesn't want too.

I keep getting told its not good to hold grudges.

You seem to be the only person that thinks anyone is associating Citadel with anything. The reality is someone has to challenge these ridiculously powerful alliances and unfortunately it may require some of us to combine our strengths to try and match their own. This is what TE is and has always been about, and that's keeping wars as fair as possible even if that means combining stats. Of course no one is surprised that Citadel are on the side line, no one has ruffled your feathers and it seems you're capitalizing on the situation but i know people still respect Citadel for at least not supporting and strengthening them anymore. And when i say "them" i means those who want to dominate everything and everyone that get in their path while never having to fight a war where they don't have all of the major advantages, both of whom are new alliances.

That is indeed a fact and I will tell you a fact of my own. Citadel, OP and Misfits have not warred at all so lets not try to justify this down declare because D1 and WD's have had a longer rest than the others that have warred. What is that like 3 other alliances, 2 of whom peaced out yesterday? If you didn't want me to start, you really shouldn't have started. You might even be wrong on this fact of yours since RE and NM were at war first.

Lets not try and make comparisons with the AW/NDO war and this BS. They're moslty newbies, most of TDO have many well known veterans of CN, in fact many are known Spartans from SE. It was both AW/NDO's first war, neither alliance started with nukes, I'm aware one nation from AW's used 2 nukes which was upsetting to see and i did consider evening those odds myself. The numbers were exaggerated by the likes of yourself because some of AWs' members weren't even 5 days old so they couldn't war, you tired to make out that didn't matter because they will eventually enter as if a 5 day old nation will make a big difference. NDO are the veteran alliance so they should have been more prepared and RoadRash stated this. AW are made up of very inexperienced players and because of this they made a mistake but one they knew they would learn from, their leader said they wanted to first test and gauge their abilities and i have nothing against those who don't overestimate their strength like so many have. Now that they know how well they can perform, you may see some even match ups from them. You on the other hand, never gave them a chance and instantly scorned them for it. You're true intentions for abusing them is because you assumed they're with D1 and are doing their bidding which only showed your bias towards D1. I know D1 ignore you and they rolled your friends, why wouldn't you be mad. I went into that thread and wished both warring parties good luck and it didn't take you long and ethat was used against me for not giving a new alliance and players a reason why they shouldn't play TE but you made an efforts to do that very thing. Everyone deserves a chance, and i said nothing to Avengers for the entire 33rd round, i watched on the sideline while they continued to do what i oppose them for now. They were in fact given an entire round of chances before i started to oppose them but you wanted AW to get none. Why would Misfits jump D1? They're still trying to recover from their last war, it'd have been a down declare but obviously not as extreme as your own. We will first try to target alliances that hadn't yet warred, friendly or not, we're playing TE not SE. TDO would obviously be at the top of the list since you're the strongest alliance, no bias involved, that is how we operate by attacking the next strongest up or straight across no matter who they are. Our friends will remain friends off the battlefield, but on the battlefield, we are enemies and we hope our friends see it the same. Obtaining the stats wasn't possible so we were reliant on TDO to combine some of us, Misftis/ Citadel or OP/Citadel would have been the only fair fight regardless of your nuke advantage, its not your fault we hadn't started stockpiling nukes earlier and we would have to just bite the bullet. Of course there was chance you wouldn't use them and we'd have walked away without a high possibility of life long vendettas. We won't go out of our way and move mountains to guarantee we can completely dominate everyone else without a fight, we are not the Avengers. Misfits plays to war and Misfits have a solid history of doing their best to make offensive wars as fair as possible as do many other alliances. If you want to declare war on me, you're more than welcome too? I was expecting us to fight anyway and i was looking forward to it. Come at me and i will promise you, no other Misfit will get involved. Get your other opponents to peace out and lets have a 1v1? All 3 of your opponents are less than half your size and none have MP's and you like to go around calling out everyone else for down declares. You should take a look in the mirror. I seriously can't stand your type. Put your money where your mouth is sunshine! To even the contest, I'd still be a down declare for you. Lets settle this! Give the word and I'll declare, I'll message the others to peace out. Bla bla and more blas. Keep trying princess! This play was obviously taken straight out of the Avengers play book. We all know most of you have low war chest levels which is why you needed a soft war. You're really just a bunch of noobs trying to be elite. Now that everyone knows how TDO operate, basically another Avengers, don't complain when others do the same back.

Their first move as an alliance, what a joke. NS has nothing to do with it. Its about eliminating 2 alliances that may have warred you again after your war with TPC so you get more time to recover and try to regain your dominant position. TDO not only picked a soft war but opponents with 0 MP's that are still broke and recovering from their last war. They will mostly come out without a scratch on them. And now I bet you're hoping Citadel/Misfits/OP fight it out and cripple each other? None of those stats mean anything. These are the stats that matter: Stats: TDO Nukes : 47 +20k NS: 6 +15-20k NS: 6 +10-15k NS: 7 +5-10k NS:12 WD/D1 Nukes : 0 +20k NS: 0 +15-20k NS: 4 +10-15k NS: 15 +5-10k NS: 23

In any case TDO have attacked the weakest alliances to avoid stronger alliances.

We know what this is all about, and we know TDO are your lap dogs. If you's want to play this game then so be it.

This is probably one of the biggest down declares I've ever seen, its really a mass raid. So basically if you're friendly with TDO, they won't ever hit you so is that like everyone else except D1 and WD's? This war is BS and you all know it is. This won't even be counted as a real war so enjoy the XP raid.

Were these official apologies from Avengers? I've never seen any apologies but i have seen Avengers constantly defend ALL of their actions. All i see come from your camp is every desperate attempt imaginable to undermine me for speaking the truth. If you had spent more time apologizing and making efforts not to make those same mistakes again, you wouldn't get a word from me, in fact I'd have been one of your biggest supporters and told the complainers to lift their game if they were solely rolled from an alliance that built and warred better.

I don't know where you're getting this bias from. You're pulling the same crap as OP/WD's did with constant down declares while avoiding stronger alliances, combining strong alliances with weaker/newbie alliances to make numbers look even, alliance hoping when wars look too tough, etc. DD and WH know all about it and they both also made many complaints about it, and now they're the ones using the very same tactics they were once upon a time against those using it. "TE isn't about fairness" Obviously for Avengers it isn't. Most alliances do make efforts to keep wars as fair as possible, clearly Avengers are not one of them.

If you 're so interested, i found the only threads you should be looking at. http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/123919-avengers-announcement/ http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/124067-an-ordo-paradoxia-announcement/

Its not surprising that most of us with MP's didn't instantly start building nukes right out of war when we're still in NA and under 2k infra/200 tech. Also just because we knew OP was coming, doesn't mean we'd build up, increasing our stats to give them more of a justification for hitting us early, let alone inflating bills. When i say we knew OP would come, none of us knew exactly when. Maybe if we knew it would be 3 days after our previous war, all of us with MPs would have started building nukes asap but we didn't know that for certain. That has to be one of the shortest rebuild time allowed after a nuclear war? We still had nations in NA. Anyway, i can see you all want me to be wrong but assuming and making wild guesses about those events is almost as bad as accusing people of spy ops without any evidence. Why don't you ask TPC if they were spied, and who the hell would have those messages saved this long? I guess since you probably wont get any evidence, its all lies and if you really think that then so be it, no one in TPC cares what you think.

For you's not me and i wanted to see what Stevie had, I was looking forward to seeing some logs or whatever it was he was going to prove me wrong with. Most of the Avengers who were there when i was should already know this anyway.

I never said i did but for most of it i could, if i could be bothered too. I could just go back to these threads and I'm sure I'd find everything there but will I when i know I'm not wrong?

Almost every war is a down declare, we all know this but they shouldn't be massive down declares to avoid stronger alliances unless of course the one that gets hit does it to others which if i remember right, last round, Avengers bypassed D1 and WD's (both of whom were stronger in stats than TPC) to hit TPC with almost double the ANS and NS. I bought a MP for WD's and i know many others did too so quit with the BS you're trying to present as fact. The reason why we had a low nuke count was because we had just used them all on WD's and we didn't start rebuying them until OP hit us which was 3 days after we reached peace with WD's. We fought WD's with one MP, what a joke so I was the only one that had the MP? Even WD's bought a couple of MP's 2-3 days later into the war and some went SDI. You never show any evidence to support your fairy tales and yet you constantly say I'm 100% wrong. You're a joke! The truth is, we bought at least 5 MP's for WD's, our next wonder purchases were mass SDI's as we knew OP would come for us and they did 3 days after on day 30. Are you trying to say that the alliance with the top 5 earners only had 1 MP between them on day 30? We had almost all of our bottom tier in NA at the hands of WD's and we only had 1 MP between the entire alliance? Really. There is some logic for you, why don't you show me these facts you talk about so much?