Van Hoo III
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8 minutes ago, Vladimir Poutine said:
Okay, those three statements did not relate to one another in any way, and contradict each other. I'm not sure what you were trying to prove with this post, Hoo.
All right. I'll make a diagram or flow chart, I guess.
1. Chim claimed that the last person he badgered was Xanth, and Shuru pointed out that someone in this very thread has already stated that he did it just last night. Chim stated that it's wartime and that he doesn't see an issue. I was pointing out that Doch is just one example.
2. People keep pointing out this poaching thing as if that's why this happened. I am pointing out (again) that while it's an annoyance (especially after they repeatedly declined), that it isn't the reason.
3. This statement points to how often it happens and how it's pretty much a joke to us at this point due to it's frequency.
All caught up now?
EDIT: Man, I should have just let Levon handle that.
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5 minutes ago, Chimaera said:
I think you might be messing up your timelines a little here. You're upset with us for angering your members...after you'd declared war on us? I fail to see the issue.
That's what we call an example.
As I already said, poaching isn't really a massive issue and definitely not a reason alone for war. It is more of an annoyance and is frustrating when telling you "no thanks" doesn't seem to stop it.
"Chim just tried to recruit me again lol" has been a pretty frequent statement in our backchannel since our DoE. Sort of an ongoing joke for us at this point.
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1 minute ago, Shurukian said:
Chimary Rodham Mi6ton?
That was bad and you should feel bad for typing it.
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4 minutes ago, Chimaera said:
I'm fairly certain the last person who was 'incessantly badgered' about joining by MI6 was Xanth, in a thread that went very hilariously wrong, a very long time ago. It's all well and good that you guys are coming up with excuses after the fact - that's certainly your right - and we're more than happy to take (most) of you down a few pegs.
See? He's typing. It's his tell.
We don't need "excuses" to have an issue with you, Chim. You gave us all the reasons we need to join in when someone wanted to roll you.
4 minutes ago, Chimaera said:I really would be lying then.
Par for the course.
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13 minutes ago, Tevron said:
I'm confused by you Van Hoo. I get declaring war on an alliance because they're hated, really active, recently acquiring ties etc. because these things are threatening. But Poaching?
Is it 2011? Hell, Atlas had far less shaky grounds to go to war with MI6 in the past, and if we ever do go in on MI6, we're not going to use those things as an excuse for our war. If someone leaves your alliance, that means they didn't love your alliance Obviously there's some sort of disconnect between what you're trying to say vs what you're saying, because you could just leave it at "We went in on our oA because we thought it'd be fun"If you hate your alliance, join Atlas, we have the best toast, but be careful, if you leave: Your old alliance will attack you! and if you don't leave: They'll attack us anyway!
Just own up to attacking MI6 because they are threatening and it's a safe move.
I'm much more into what Dochartaigh said, attacking for hatred is what fuels drama and politik lyfe. Maybe that's the point you're trying to get across to everyone Van Hoo, but it's not clear to me and (I'm sure) other peanut gallery members.
Where ... did I say we declared on them for poaching? I think I've made our reasons for attacking pretty clear, as has the other alliances involved as of today.
While incessantly attempting to get our members to join MI6 to the point of annoyance is lulzy and a mild nuisance, that alone is not a reason for us to attack anyone ... nor was it.
EDIT: Also: If our reason was "because they are threatening and easy", then this would have already happened long ago. I don't mean this to sound snarky, but MI6 is known to be an easy target and have been for a long time. That was true when I was a member and is still true now.
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1 minute ago, Dochartaigh said:
To be fair- Chim did try to poach me last night.
You take that back. Chim is a SAINT!
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1 minute ago, White Chocolate said:
Best wishes to everyone involved. Hail TBC! Hail MI6! Go get them boys and girls.
Awesome hails. Great form. Your compliance is appreciated!
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2 minutes ago, Vladimir Poutine said:
I am attempting to recall a time when Chimaera was dishonest with me, and am failing to do so. You all left because you were tired of the constant anger within the alliance, which was caused by keeping OPSEC things OPSEC, something I would have expected former alliance leaders, such as yourself and Gibs and all the others who left, to understand.
Know how I know when Chim is lying? He's typing.
The fact that you honestly believe that "OPSEC" is the reason we left makes it difficult for me to have this conversation with you. I understand OPSEC and have historically employed it. That's not the reason I (or most of us) left. Come on Merger, you can do better than that.
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5 minutes ago, Bernkastel said:
Many emotions right now going on, so some of my thoughts.
Sad that instead of staying to fight for change from within, which as Ms several of you could have done so, you bail and are now initiating a conflict against a group you once led and could have made a difference in. Angry that this is the end result and that you sign a billion treaties to ensure you get in on this rolling because of what. Disappointed because I thought better of many of you to be frank, I didn't realize you had such thin skin. I guess that's what sets the strong leaders from the weak ones.
I'm a pretty naive and optimistic fella I guess.
Oh Bern. lol
I can't take you seriously when you say things like " you sign a billion treaties to ensure you get in on this rolling " ...
7 hours ago, Chimaera said:Just gonna keep this here for posterity's sake.
It's been brought to my attention that this comment was due to another plane of existence that I'm not familiar with. Sorry to break it to you, but I honestly know nothing about that and the comment you're quoting won't help you. Sorry!
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6 minutes ago, Vladimir Poutine said:
I certainly don't recall making any decisions for MI6 with regards to how to treat TBC, other than determining, along with Shuru, to close the embassies until March. Chimaera is not the entirety of MI6, despite what other parties would have you think.
"You" doesn't mean you personally. While we've seen plenty of conversations and logs in regard to us, I don't recall you being in them or at least weren't involved in any of the negative commentary. Gold star for you.
I don't need other parties to form an opinion of Chim's involvement. I saw it when I was a member and have seen it after I was gone. Perks of having plenty of friends in MI6 at the time who were not amused at what he was trying to do and the amount of dishonesty he exhibited. Like it or not, that still reflected on you.
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2 minutes ago, Vladimir Poutine said:
I could be wrong, but I don't recall any vitriol occurring after mid-February. You could have attacked us then. But you didn't. I am 95% confident it was because we were bigger than you, more coordinated than you, and quieter than you. You aligned yourselves with Oculus, and you brought this on yourselves. We have been quiet for the last four months, so don't try to pin this on us being confrontational, as so many of your comrades have done.
You are correct, we haven't had any recent issues ... but are incorrect about why no attack came. Of course you're bigger than us, but we could have had any number of alliances sign up for such an attack along with us. We chose not to. You're welcome.
Being quiet is great and not an awful idea, but doesn't magic away past transgressions. Again, when you act towards an alliance as some of yours have and the day comes where they have a decision to make ... well, you already made it for them.
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1 minute ago, Vladimir Poutine said:
So these two posts have nothing to do with one another? "Making it easier to agree" does not equal "not attacking over any of that"? Maybe it's me, but that sounds very much like an admission that this war was started for, at least partially, that reason.
Not sure where I lost you.
We didn't start the war, so stating it was started "at least partially" for that reason wouldn't be accurate ... unless you mean that the war started due to you (or some of you) doing their damnedest to be unlikable to multiple alliances, then I guess you can see it that way in a basic context. The war was started by other folks for a list of reasons posted elsewhere. We were asked by multiple allies if we wanted in. Since we have had prior issues and dislike you (with some exceptions), then saying "yes" was easy.
So no, our DoW isn't a direct result of past issues, but no, it didn't take any arm twisting when multiple allies asked us to enter as well. Pretty simple really and not all that dramatic I'm afraid.
tl;dr - don't be frustrating d-bags and people won't want to roll you and would be more inclined to decline when asked to help.
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4 minutes ago, White Chocolate said:
(I joke!!! I can do that for now, being No One of Consequence. Do not take that serious
I mean, the rumor mill around here - LOL)
As someone who has been "No One of Consequence" multiple times over the years, I can tell you that it doesn't work that way.
Good luck, folks!
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30 minutes ago, MitchellBade said:
If TBC had such a problem with MI6 in January, maybe, just maybe, y'all should've attacked in on I don't know...January?
We had no interest in attacking an alliance that was just rebuilding after getting rolled, regardless of Chim's ongoing idiocy.
Like I said, some might disagree, but we're not attacking them over any of that. That stretch of stupidity just made joining in an easier decision to make.
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14 minutes ago, Avakael said:
I know, but the discussion was heading in that direction.
You're probably right. Good call. lol
I'll agree that it probably wouldn't be a fruitful conversation here at this moment.
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4 minutes ago, Avakael said:
I suspect attempting to rehash all the problems we've had with each other in this topic is going to be an incredibly time wasting venture that doesn't actually resolve any of those problems, so you're just going to have to enjoy the war.
To be fair, we aren't attacking you over those problems. They are, however, what made it easy to agree to help when asked.
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32 minutes ago, Isolatar said:
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Past tense!?!?!
Isolatar.
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24 minutes ago, Duderonomy said:
Maybe Hoo will join in now that the treaty is up.
I'm in. No details required.
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I found the treaty text to be long and overly complex so I didn't bother reading it.
Can we get a tl;dr? Thanks.
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8 hours ago, Haflinger said:
There was never a coup attempt; everything they did was legal under Monos Archein's charter. Now I wouldn't have wanted a charter that was written the way MA's was, but I was never a member.
I didn't mention you personally either. RoK wasn't just you, you know.
Anyway, all water under the bridge now surely? I mean, how many years ago was that?
It was definitely a coup attempt regardless and you know that. Furthermore it was a coup attempt over nothing. Absolutely nothing.
I led RoK at the time that you are implying, so yes, you are indeed talking about me whether you mention me personally or not. Are you implying that someone else in RoK attempted to disband AB and you (cue laughter here) had a hand in preventing it? Neither of those make the slightest bit of sense.
Lastly, you don't get to make a false claim publicly and then say "Hey man, water under the bridge it was a long time ago!" when you get verbally backhanded for it.
8 hours ago, Sarkin said:Right, let's drop this. Evilest is right that there were individuals who wanted us dead from the beginning, but nothing solid came of it and no alliance put their weight behind those individuals' sentiments. We're talking about events that are more than seven years old. Our feuds with Monos Archein and affiliated alliances lasted maybe a few months after we split off. There's a reason it received only a slight mention in the announcement; this was a long time ago.
The only alliance Aurora Borealis ever truly hated was GOD, and really, it was just Xiph specifically. Even those events are nearly seven years old. As we said in the announcement, we are grateful to those in the Karma coalition and outside of it during that time who advocated on our behalf and ensured our survival. These many years would not have happened with you.
I like you Sarkin (as well as many members of your alliance), but I didn't bring it up. So, if you don't mind, I am going to continue making Haf look foolish. It makes me feel nostalgic. If he wants to stop posting (which historically is what happens in a Haf v Hoo debate), then that works.
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2 hours ago, Neftyaniki said:
yes, from the second of our birth, there were those certain individuals who sought to destroy us: many of them we outlived. Thanks for all the support through the years.
Since you're quoting someone making a false claim against me personally, I am going to assume that you agree with it. So, I will also tell you that you are completely incorrect. We (and SF as well) disliked the failed coup attempt that was a knee jerk reaction to something that wasn't even happening. Once you decided to move on and create an alliance, very few of us cared anymore. Ultimately it all worked out for everyone anyway and (Xiph aside, apparently) there were eventually no hard feelings. Sure, we weren't on eachother's Christmas Card list, but Ragnarok didn't have a single conversation about disbanding you or "destroying you" and guess what? Had we wanted to we simply would have.
It's cool that you guys are celebrating your history. You deserve to. You lasted way WAY longer than most alliances do and that is something to be proud of. Don't taint it by drudging up a long dead (and honestly brief) grudge and sensationalizing it so that it seems like more than it was.
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49 minutes ago, Haflinger said:
I remember helping to stop RoK from disbanding you guys, way before Karma. Here's to old memories. (And hi jutopia
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Why on EARTH do you insist on constantly being inaccurate? We never tried to "disband" anyone and you of all people certainly couldn't have stopped us if we did.
Xiph of GOD, however, did want to disband them during Karma when I was tri of Nemesis. That was a frustrating time. lol
Anyway. Wasn't a fan when you DoE'd, but I don't know you at all now so no hard feelings. Always sad to see anyone disband these days. Best of luck, folks.
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ROLL PPO! ... er ...
Congrats on peace, friends!
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Well now, isn't this nostalgic.
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An Announcement from the Bears with Guns and Lasers
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
Posted · Edited by Van Hoo III
I'm going to level with you because I feel somewhat sorry for you: You are the last person who should be posting in this thread.
If you're wondering why then I will clue you in on what MI6 gov already knows. MI6 "private" conversations are not private. Every lie you told, every comment you made about us, every false claim you made? We read it. They were not made in a safe place where it won't get back to us. Your words were not shrouded in secrecy nor were they protected by the individuals in those channels with you.
Now, think back (lol) to your return to MI6 and mentally go over anything you might have said or claimed. Once you have, it will dawn on you as to why we take any comment you might make with a very large grain of salt. It would also explain why your posts in our embassy and presence in our IRC channel is met with a lukewarm response at best.
Take care, Bern.