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it works in winamp as well, and probably other media players, just chose to open the file with your favourite

I was in TOP back then, so that would be Initiative in GWII and GWIII. In GW I we were neutral but I'm now gonna make a huge security breach and leak to you the result of our vote back then: the lone vote for joining LUE directly came from yours truly

joking aside, I dont really have anyone on ignore, well as soon as I have unignored you

To start let me just say: Unghhh, not the true paradoxian crap again. Your post is long so my answer will be so too, though it wont have as nice flow, and be so nicely written, as yours since I am just trying to answer your different points/questions. As someone who was here back then, and even before, and is in TOP right now I agree with you on the notion that we have changed, an alliance is never static. In fact, right around the time you joined TOP we had changed so much that people have left cause they thought that we had lost our roots. And yes we are not all members of Paradox Interactive, but the feeling of fraternity and unity is just as strong. I feel like I belong here, just as I felt that I belong in TOP during your golden days, and just as I felt that I belong in TOP back when we still didnt knew how the game worked and if we would dare to announce our existence. I was also around when you guys started proclaiming yourself as true paradoxians, and I dont buy for a minute that you dont realize why we would take slight of that. But since you are claiming yourself to be a true paradoxian I might as well ask you the question I've had asked some of the other one, only UG responded though (with "not being in TOP" which I personally found lacking), what are the requirements of a true paradoxian? I see alot of people on that list that I as well miss and am actually happy that some of them have found new homes. But I cant remember anyone of them stating that the fact that we started to accept non-paradox members was the reason for their leaving, those I remember had very different ones, from not allowing tech raiding to RL issues. And the fact that those alliances that were created due to this exodus had no trouble accepting non-paradox members as well strengthen my belief in that. Not sure about Universalis though, did you have a "only paradox-members policy?, but then again that was an exodus from genesis and not us. And seriously Frozen, naming ski and lynn as "carriers of the paradoxian flame" while raving about people not from Paradox Interactive is just stupid. edit: seriously frozen, stop that seniority crap, dr dan has actually been longer in TOP than you

The reason we had that vote had more to do with the fact that only three months earlier we had been an isolationist alliance, and that a lot of people were not happy with being in the initiative, the marginal in the original vote was just 2 votes (with 40 pages of debate). Even our grand master at the time was against WUT and IIRC we had like 4 votes on leaving the treaty before GWII. Once GWII begun we fought like the rest of the initiative. I though agree on the point that those were the days

As an ally and friend of MXCA we made damn sure this was not a CEN situation, and the fact that talks were up between us and MXCA and us and TSO, for at least some days before this should give you a hint about that. CEN left us in a whim, actively recruited from us before that and was found out having directed war reparations to their nations during their time at TOP. While I cant speak for what TSO have done, I know that they have at least had a dialog with MXCA during this whole thing. Even a bitter ex-CENer like you should see the difference. Seriously, delightfully ironic would be a guy running around all over these forums for 6 months calling himself a traitor to TOP even though we never considered him being one, since he wasn't even in TOP at the founding of CEN.

Betraying the grämlins is not an aggressive action. You are encroaching on our stats.

We in TOP hereby promise to Grämlins to not get another point in NS until you have caught up with us edit: woops, looks like we just betrayed you

YOU ARE NOT MY GRANDMASTER!

betraying grämlins one tech raiding nation at a time

The most important stat

You jinxed it