Garion
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I'm saddened to see R&R acting as if this is a problem limited to us though. I guess you don't see the long-term game!
The problem is they think it's only our mistake because we're the ones taking the brunt of the hit right now.
But I guess they can't play out the scenario of what happens when we no longer have a top tier. Oh well.
Ehy, it's the argument you guys offered us. Don't be too hard on me for recycling it. -
Well, I mean, when the majority of Super Tiers band together in this game and mainly all flock to one side, combined with continuously targeting a side that has had its Top Tiers crushed pretty much repeatedly since Grudge; are you really surprised you're unable to war many people?
Except for the fact that during last war your coalition had a sizeable upper tier advantage for the first time since XX's inception, probably. Squandered the opportunity to use it, maybe? Or were you denied it?
The Super Tiers have continuously raided our side specifically to wipe out the Top Tiers. Therefore, no one can complain they don't have enough targets when they happily enabled their lack of targets. They cut off the nose to spite the face. Nothing more. Now they're seeing the effects of it.
And many people did warn Bob that that is exactly what would happen.
Yet Sparta sat by watching by the sidelines when Mushqaeda happened and DBDC was still somewhat vulnerable/not as well tied or as strong as today. Another wasted opportunity, not just for you obviously: but you were too busy planning the war that led to this current situation. Short-term goals instead of long-term investments.
My point is, don't blame others for your mistakes. -
All I get from this thread is a big "LOOK AT ME" from a specific poster.
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RIA doing what RIA does best: being scandalously loyal allies.
Best of luck in the war, even from the other side: I believe you'll find AB to be a worthy enemy. -
The Grudge War with R&R.
We fought against Asgaard and LoSS, in one of the few fronts of that war that did not see SF-XX completely wrecked, thanks to our FOK tie. I started at 2999 infra against an Asgaard seller who had 3 or 4 times my warchest and kept rebuilding the lost infra daily, altho he was not a great fighter. During the first week of war we got countered by the Shadow Accord, a small black AA allied to Asgaard, and I was reduced to smitherens by Conred (he had nukes and some wonders, I had neither). After that I fought LoSS' small techsellers for the whole duration of the war without making a big deal about it (unlike someone else here :P ) and made a living with the aid GATO sent them :P -
Props to Invicta for their good showing so far.
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Mogar, we all can see exactly how this one goes. Once Polar and all our allies have no nations in range, where do you think these guys are going to look? They've already hit the neutrals once before, and it will likely happen again. However, they will all roll over and lose horribly, so they are going to fall fast. Then they will realize their entire strength range is filled with allies and friends of allies. I'll let you solve how that one goes, but the friends of allies never fare well historically in these situations.
And guess what? They are going to be looking to others to help, and they are going to find a cold shoulder.
No, they won't get a cold shower. You know why? Because even with all the grandstanding you're spouting to raise your morale you're perfectly aware that such road will lead to repeated rollings of your alliance and its allies. And Polaris is smarter than that.
When you want a war, you attack the actual targets. Last war we wanted NSO, we attacked NSO. Nothing was left to chance in that war because had they chose to call no allies, we wouldn't have cared. It would have been a shorter war and then done.
NPO or NG were never a goal for us ;)
You would do best by stopping towing this line: it hurts you more than it helps you.
I could go looking and find you yourself stating you wished for NpO-NPO to happen (on the OWF nonetheless), and for the war to last a long time (Disorder became the longest war in CN history). But yes: you definitely got what you wanted.
You often find that low tier tech sellers have a fragile state of mind. Once all of Polar's nations are pushed into the low tier, who will be feared more? The whips of the God King or the nukes of Polar's depressed lower tier?
If Polar forces DBDC to make more multies to get their techs it sounds like a win to me. Cant imagine how annoying that would be to manage.
OMG, Polar chasing people away from Bob!!!11!
Sorry, had to :P
LOL... as far as I remember, they all decided to hide in peace mode and not fight at all.
So it's not that they were "one of the last alliances allowed to peace out of the war"... you have to actually fight a war to "peace out". The NPO simply skipped that war in their usual coward fashion.
And they were not asked to pay reparations. An Alliance that decided to hide in peace mode has nothing to "repair" since the damage caused by them was zero.
They simply payed the "Cowards in Peace Mode tax"... and Sir Paul was allowed to sing some songs about it (we are cool and we have no problems with their Pop Star singing whatever he wanted to sing... we had no grudges left of the old times in which the NPO gave the NpO "secret terms" that involved that some members of the NpO were not allowed to write here at all).
And, yet, this war is not about the NPO cowards who simply bandwagon when the odds are with them and hide as the chickens that they are when the war may touch their pixels. Our concern is the DBDC, not the NPO folks...
Counterpoint: Polaris enabled and supported terms for a behavior its own allies had practiced extensively two wars before in a much grander fashion. XX and SF peaced out everything over 72k NS for the whole duration of the Dave War. I bet that doesn't suit your narrative here, tho. -
This war is not fought "for the lulz" either.
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o/ our one-way allies
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This war snxs
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Oh, that was great.
I just listed everything SNX has done since it formed. Is there a reason to get declared on? :rolleyes:
The fact that you did nothing is basically allowing your rolling without big hindrances.
As someone who has no beef with SNX, nor is particularly close to SNX, I would say your leadership did an hell of a job to facilitate this particular scenario: putting all your eggs in Polar's basket while "forgetting" to inform some of your constituent alliances' allies of the merger itself (instead of working towards keeping some of those ties) was definitely a poor move. One of the simplest ways to make it hard to roll you is to spread out, while isolation is a death warrant.
Add to that the fact that Aftermath looks like a Polar branch (4 ties to them), and well...
I agree we in AFM have burned for others like XX. We've been rolled more times than I can count this war we are burning for each other were not burning for polar were not burning for XX, TOP or anyone else but each other. People ask where is polar? Where is polar? Guess what we held them out. You want em go get them
Like it or not, you ARE burning for Polar's decisions during last year. They might have been the right ones to make, might have been the proper ones to make, might even have been the moral ones to make at the time: they still caused this. Or are we still pretending the coalition opposed to Polar is not the result of last war's outcome? -
Browns senators turned this deal down :gag:
What was the downside?
With the departure of Methrage, hartfw is the only true outsider candidate this race. Raised in a small shack by a group of hobos who sold ill-crafted knitwear, hart wasn't even aware that politics existed until shortly after his 23rd birthday, when heavy-handed zoning bylaws decreed that the middle of a public street was an unacceptable place for an open-pit latrine, opening his eyes to the burden of regulation on entrepreneurs. From that point forward he dedicated his life to furthering the interests of the common man through that most patriotic of channels: pushing for measures that primarily benefit the already wealthy.
This election is about common sense. Are you going to let some machine politicians in the pocket of Big Tech and their toadies in Medium-Sized Spreadsheet tell you what is best for your nation, or are you finally ready to throw off the shackles and let a regular joe like the rest of us who doesn't understand any of that have a crack at power?
:claps:
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You know, I made plenty of mistakes, but the one thing I never did running Justitia's Cult was to blame anyone else for my decisions. I made that easy from the start by not signing treaties in conflict with each other.
No shambolic shoulder shrugging to "friends" or "allies" while I undermined them time and time and time again.
The only time I ever played sides was while I was screwing with the other one.
At the end of every day, every decision I made was an actual decision and I never pretended otherwise or needed to try to convince anyone otherwise, and I never had to come out here and make pitiful pantywaist equivocations about tied hands or paved paths or dirty business. Every action pure and our own.
My bad, should have called it a colliding route. The different coalition was definitely our choice.
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I feel foolish now for worrying about an NpO counter-blitz. I guess what they threw at NG was just about everyone they had capable of declaring offensive wars.
Soon those other 200 nations won't even have the option to declare offensive wars, as they'll all be in anarchy. Even if Polar had a strategy to all become micro-nations so they can be a big version of GOONS.. it makes no sense not to do all the damage you can on the way down.
It seems despite my low opinion of Polarsphere's military prowess, I still managed to overestimate them. xDWhen the whole of XX gets engaged, there will be plenty of tough fighting in the midtiers as well. It's too early to make similar considerations.
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That's why R&R is hitting an alliance they hold two mutual MDP's with on an oA in defense of someone they're not allied to.
Have fun guys!War is never a clean business.
No one is pretending we were dragged into this: it's a choice we made. Let's not quickly forget how the path to that choice was paved, though.
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Roll Wasso.
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Best of luck to Sengoku :)
I prefer an even fight, curbstomps are not enjoyable.
Like declaring on techsellers with a full-wonder nation? :P
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No Dannyjeep, not a real DoW. Lock the topic and do it again! :v:
You're right.
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Best of luck to our Orange brethren :)
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"We do what we must" = "We do what we have the option to do, and it's a helluva lot better than the alternative"
Except our history shows we don't shape our actions that way, but nice try. Or getting our asses handed to us during last war was some kind of elaborate ploy?
Well, have fun.
Though I'm a bit sad to see you two join the large doomsphere and support a pointless war.
Seems strange to me as well, Jalap. I would never have expected us to willingly engage an XX alliance: it's a statement about how much things have changed between us.
Finally all the pretending of honouring treaties is over!
I'm not sure what treaty we would not be honoring here. Unless you claim R&R should shape its FA around its allies on "your side" only, despite its own wishes and despite no one of them being engaged or countered at the moment.
We are loyal to the people who have shown us loyalty themselves for a long time: Fark and CRAP have not been discarded and forgotten. It is our right to have a different set of priorities in terms of FA and to have a different direction, though, and all of them are aware of why this is happening (as you are). They made their choices, we made ours, and for the first time in a long time we find ourselves on different sides: last war doesn't really count to me in that regard, since it was someone else's willful (and definitely stupid) decision to put us on different coalitions.
We will definitely have an interesting time ahead, I for one expect a tough fight from Polaris. Enjoy the war.
EDIT: small fix. -
Sooner or later people will learn to move to safer colors.
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Sitzkrieg as well, but I'm sure someone has suggested it already.
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Could have always stuck TOP "because you can", but that would have meant a more even sided conflict, can't have one of those!
To be fair, TOP has every mean to enter they could possibly desire: UPN is being mangled at the moment, for instance. Or they could follow Umbrella's lead. -
Actually Polaris is the type of alliance that would have Starfox101, Schattenmann, RandomInterrupt, AlmightyGrub, little ol' me and 2 other NONEs in it.
As a matter of fact, mine was a shot to Tywin's bad attempts at propaganda :P
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Mogar, you have every reason to be disappointed or pissed at R&R for attacking Polar or IRON for attacking Sparta as during this war... But to go from there to believing we should shape our direction according to who you're tied to is a bit of a stretch: otherwise we should assume you should do the same.