Nestor Durruti Magon

[quote name='Aeros' timestamp='1341639345' post='3005628'] Indeed, but National Anarchy is not the only service we provide! [/quote] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-Anarchism"]National Anarchy[/url] you say? Sigh. Another fascist alliance, even if this one has an "edgier" name. Worse yet is the adoption of all of this capitalist rhetoric. This alliance theme is for 12 year olds.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1340759191' post='2997692'] People do seem to be rather confused about what motivates us and makes us happy. [/quote] They really are such selfish lovers. They never ask what we want or how we feel, even when they spend hours talking about it with themselves.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1340718584' post='2997196'] After that I don't need to post here anymore, I hope this serves as warning for the other alliances who have treaties with The International. Also Nestor Durruti Magon my intentions are just open the eyes of cyberverse and alert it to the danger of being allies with CnG(a bloc that exists for the only purpose of keep MK in power and is formed for a bunch of sycophants with no sense of honor, who are loyal only to MK) so other alliances can avoid the risk of find themselves in the same situation LSF is now. [/quote] Everyone wants to talk about us, no one wants to talk to us. If you want to know my opinions, or even the opinions of the LSF, ask for them. That's how I can tell who is honest in their concerns versus those who want to use their feigned concern as a political bludgeon.

[quote name='Sovyet Gelibolu' timestamp='1340685219' post='2996648'] LSF wants to burn for some unknown reason, and doesn't want us to join them on their pyre. They're anarchists. Their minds don't work the way yours and mine do. [/quote] This is not true, nor is it respectful to us, your "ally." The detractors of the LSF-INT relationship are dishonest in their intentions but factual in their claims. Your response is dishonest and not factual. And it belittles us in the process. If you value the relationship you have with us, you'll shut your mouth and stop feeding these concern trolls who have no interest in defending either of us.

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340407162' post='2992996'] Right. Because impersonating IRON's leadership, then insulting him, then posting "$%&@ you in the ass", that isn't at *all* designed to start a fight. [/quote] Your sarcasm is not really coming through all that well here. It may be difficult to see beyond your bruised ego that 99% of us weren't really ever thinking about you, let alone making designs on starting a fight, but that certainly is the case. One or two folks mucked up a joke and and then these same folks mucked up their apology. You targeting the entirety of the alliance is your prerogative, and it's understandable, as the dozens of "GOOD CB" posts can attest. But we don't about this war, we can't imagine you really care about a war with a lukewarm enemy, and we'd like to see it end as soon as possible.

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340403385' post='2992967'] I can't see any reason to be merciful to an alliance that did their best to start a fight, and responded to diplomatic attempts with "$%&@ you in the ass". [/quote] Sure, we did our best to start a fight, but not with your alliance. Frankly, the IRON war is a bore, and we're tired of it only two days in. We were tired of it three days ago, even. You're still pretty hot blooded about it, though, I see. [quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340403385' post='2992967'] You did the sowing, now it's time for the reaper to do his job. [/quote] 12 year old detected. [quote name='Gingervites' timestamp='1340405420' post='2992977'] you still had to do it to try and get out of a war that you could never win. [/quote] Bro: we have no interest in winning, even if we could. This isn't our war.

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340399777' post='2992933'] The only thing they are sincere about is that they wish we weren't beating the crap out of them. [/quote] [img]http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/3/calm-down.jpg[/img] I know you've got some serious war b0n0rz right now. It's okay, happens to the best of us. But really, your contribution to the pummeling is hardly the reason we're apologizing. We're apologizing because this whole fiasco is a mess, we're on a spectrum of annoyed to remorseful about this whole ordeal, and we want to get back to what matters to us, which is fighting fascists (NoR). As an alliance three times our size, they are about all we can handle right now. These apologies are sincere, and we hope that we can get out of war with you as quickly as possible. None of us has any interest in fighting you.

[quote name='Daisy Mae Mac' timestamp='1339953188' post='2986500']What I still don't understand is why LSF feels the need to paint itself as a victim in all this. Is it because you can't justify aiding rogues? Your alliance has been trying to spin everything from the very start so that it appears as though NoR has just been bullying you and pushing you around when, in reality, you have been trying to provoke this war for quite some time.[/quote] You're an idiot who has reading comprehension problems. I'm not saying LSF is some sort of innocent victim. Quite the contrary. Read anything I've written in this and the other thread. NoR isn't bullying anyone, and my complaint isn't with NoR at all. It's with the general focus on alliances living in relative peace while a much hotter war is happening between our two alliances, with a more compelling CB and motive. I think it's better for your alliance if our war receives less attention. The "other war" has certainly distracted several of our allies, and it's quite convenient for you that that is the case.

oh look. a fascist challenges someone's masculinity. It should be noted where the real fight in Cybernations is right now. Here's some fodder towards that notation: Libertarian Socialist Federation: 45 Nations War Search Results: Your search for Libertarian Socialist Federation returned 99 results Mushroom Kingdom: 143 Nations War Search Results: Your search for mushroom kingdom returned 102 results Mushroom Kingdom, the current focus of the current global war, has 100 more nations and is engaged in only 3 more wars. To put it in further perspective: The ratio of wars currently being fought to nations within an alliance in MK is 0.71. In the LSF, it's over three times that at 2.2. The MK war is a thin smokescreen to allow NoR to go to war against the LSF with no interference from her larger allies.

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1339776997' post='2984877'] Sick minds start with a conclusion and then arrange the facts to match. To a certain type of commie, anything vaguely german or nordic looks 'nazi' or 'fascist' at the very least and that inspires the conclusion, which is impervious to facts from that point forward. [/quote] You are hilarious. Why would anyone think NoR are Nazis? It's patently ridiculous. They're themed along the lines of Germany circa World War II, and Germany during World War II had nothing to do with Nazis. Their name is NordReich, Nazis have never used [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich#Possible_negative_connotations_in_modern_use"]the word Reich[/url]. They use [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odal_%28rune%29#Modern_usage"]this symbology[/url], and that definitely has nothing to do with Nazis. IN CHARACTER THEY ARE NAZIS.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1339740166' post='2984604'] Instead they plugged their ears, chirped noises when approached about the matter, and have cried victim since.[/quote] You people are going to give me an ulcer. Who exactly is crying victim? I explicitly stated that we knew what we were doing, and that we are not victims of some bizarre aggression that we didn't see coming. Even our allies all knew what we were doing. This was a calculated move, if a little extra-parliamentary. Just because we're uncontrollable doesn't mean we're not organized. Let me refer you to [url="http://www.infoshop.org/page/AnarchistFAQSectionAIntro"]the political philosophy upon which we base our alliance[/url].

[quote name='Exige' timestamp='1339701375' post='2983818']a) being socialist and communist. Both being worst than fascist ( socialist < communist < nazi < fascist < the treehuggers < democrats < ... )[/quote] [quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1339701414' post='2983819'] fascism and Nazism are not interchangeable terms [/quote] [quote name='Aeros' timestamp='1339703469' post='2983854']You assume that NoR is white supremacist because they are German? That's a tad racist don't you think?[/quote] >sigh<. Here comes the 12 year old brigade, trying to explain political theory they've thought about for five minutes and never read anything about. No, you idiot, I am not assuming anything. Nordreich harbors currently and HAS ALWAYS harbored white supremacists. They recruited off of StormFront for fuxache. Also, IC roles alone leave them as white supremacists, at the very least IC. Germans aren't necessarily white supremacists. But to roleplay Germany during WWII, to use Nazi iconography, to call yourself ___Reich, you are clearly modeling yourself on Nazis. Nazism, as a variant of fascism (really the most well known variant) is a national-supremacist ideology (in Germany's case, yes, white) where the relation of the nation-state reigns supreme over every other human relation. Fascism is the shocktroop ideology of reaction, to be used by the capitalist, the white supremacist, and the patriarch when bourgeois democracy fails to dilute the struggle for freedom into quiet reform. Exige, your Glenn Beck is showing, with your SPEEK ENGLISH comment and your befuddled political thinking.

ITT: Liberals get frothy about the impoliteness of the anarchists towards the fascists, and declare that our impoliteness towards our oppressors makes us not really "innocent victims," and therefore we deserve to be smashed. Let me save you liberals some mental anguish: We are guilty. We deserve the fascists attacking us. We wanted it. We asked for it. And they deserve to be buried for attacking us. They deserve permanent ZI and disbandment. Just because you found the guilty party doesn't mean you found the one who deserves the punishment. And just because they are polite doesn't mean that they aren't fascists, White Supremacists, Nazis. If you're looking for a victim, you won't find it in us. We are not victims, we are agents of our destiny. "There's a reason why [OOC]OOC tags[/OOC] are used, you know. This sort of claim is baseless, and is truly damaging to people just trying to have some fun." Baseless except for all the hard evidence. You're in denial. I started playing Cybernations to fight NoR after reading about how there were white supremacists recruiting on this website, and NoR was mentioned by name. There are dozens of other examples. See the NoR reunion thread for a bounty of examples from their own ex-ranks.

Maybe you can stand fascism (which is, in effect, saying you stand for fascism, as all it takes is a population willing to look the other way). I suppose that makes your MO to allow fascists to organize and recruit. That's not my MO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcKwGS7OSQ

If you can point to the line between IC and OOC fascism within NoR, I might be willing to change my mind to thinking that people who want to "roleplay" Germany during World War II, use Nazi iconography and names are just "eccentric" and not fascists. Unfortunately, that line does not exist. Can white supremacists and Nazis be "in the right" when they are acting as white supremacists and Nazis? No. They can only be "in the right" when they stop. It doesn't matter whether you think they were "right" to attack the LSF who PURPOSELY goaded them into attacking. What matters is whether they are right at all. And of course they aren't. They're Nazis.