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If you really believe that Bansky, I'm sorry. You've made me a sad panda

Must be why he took a swipe at the supposed NON PARTISAN supreme court when they made a ruling he did not agree with, during his sotu address. Also why democrats held closed door meetings and locked conservatives out, during the healthcare drafting earlier this year. Do try to take credit where credit is due folks. Afterall, we wouldn't be here, in this era of "Change", if not for you!

It's hard to take video footage of people's own words out of context. I suppose we should simply ignore the Van Jones characters out there. Afterall, he was taken completely out of context. Further, spare me the liberal diatribe of corporate greed. Corporations and banks got just as much support from democrats, as republicans. Even after the white wool of "main street" was pulled over the eyes of voters. I support candidates, not parties. I voted for a democrat in this election, because he supported what I thought was best. If this debate has taught me one thing, it's that partisan politics is the real enemy. The sooner Obama can see this, the easier it will be for congress to get back to work.

[quote name='Vince Sixx' timestamp='1288842939' post='2501544'] He means like, American Republican. Laissez-Faire, Free trade style nations. Not a lot of us are conservative, though, heh. Regardless, welcome. [/quote] No, I simply mean fiscal conservative. Being such does not require the use of LF policies, which are usually a bad thing.

First, I apologize about the statement regarding the military. I misunderstood you, and It lead me to believe in what I wrote, but I digress. I didn't mean to insult your patriotism or belief that our men and women do good works around the world, and defend our rights at home. I really see no point in continuing this discussion. You obviously drink the kool aide enough to realize that no matter what I say, it's not going to change your mind. The facts are available to the American people, and it's unfortunate that reasonable democrats are consistently being co-opted by radical marxists and fabian socialists, hellbent on destroying this great nation.

Fiscal and socially conservative nations. Government type aside.

I am deadly serious. With the threat of the filibuster, that means that democrats will either have to moderate, or face the fact that they will be unable to push their agenda through. If you look at history, this country has usually had a divided government and that minus a few hiccups, that's generally how we operate. Divided government doesn't cause stalemate. It forces both parties to come to the center and work together. We saw with Bush, and now with Obama, that when either party retains full control over both chambers and the white house, bad things happen.

If there are any conservative nations out there that want to be friends in RP, hit me up via PM. I'm looking for a mentor to teach me the ins and outs of the current system.

Actually, if anything, this election has shown a return to normalcy in American politics. Traditionally, America works best under a divided government. The elections of 2006 and 2008 were aberrations to that historical fact. What we saw is a return to the normal state of affairs in the US.

[img]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5429/newskf.png[/img] [b]President Shakor to begin nation-wide speaking tour[/b] [u]MATAR[/u] - The newly elected President of the Republic announced today that he will tour the country over the coming weeks. The Sebiestor tribesman, whose recent success within the national referendum that made him President of the new Republic, is planning on speaking at engagements in a variety of venues and locations. Coming on the heels of the dissolution of the old tribal council, Maleatu Shakor expressed a desire to "connect with the true people of Minmatar and revitalize their respect and trust in the government." After discussion with his advisers, it was decided that the speaking tour will allow the president to reach the broadest audience. Over thirty dates have already been announced, with Shakor making up to three appearances on the same day in some cases. Demand is likely to be high, as admission is to be free of charge. The president has dismissed worries that the extensive tour will affect his governance of the new Republic amidst increasing economic woes, including the extensive spending and rampant corruption. "I have many capable administrators and governors assisting me in bring government back to the people. The agenda of the people shall not be forgotten."

OOC: So, I was thinking. I made this into one long post, so there won't be a part two. It's pretty much summed up with: Old government gone, new gov't here and a connie is on the way.

He's been co-opted by the marxists around him. I truly do not believe he is a radical, however it is no secret that his administration is filled with mostly radicals similar to Van Jones in scope. The president does nothing alone, and the democratic legislative branch and the white house have moved this country to the left in a significant shift within the last 21 months. I would argue that Nixon wasn't as left as Obama and that's a rationalization of the trillions of dollars that have been spent with TARP/Stimulus and Obamacare spending. Unfortunately, I think most Americans don't understand the truth about Barrack Obama and the louder voices are the nut jobs that think the Tea Party are racists and fascists. Also, I dislike how you can conservative ideology into misnomers and fallacious one liners. "Tax Cutting into prosperity" is an inappropriate representation of the conservative platform. It would be best served with "not spending money faster than we can print it". How does that suit you? Conservatism is more about being fiscally responsible with our money, that is given to the federal and state governments, by us. It's not so much about cutting taxes, but that is a big deal to conservatives. I think most conservatives realize that it's time to lessen taxation, yes, but it's more important to be frugal with the money we have and to let certain institutions fail as opposed to spending billions in bailout packages. That has contrasted sharply to the traditional "establishment" republicans you're claiming these newcomers are. The traditional GOP died in 2006, and it was buried in 2008. The new party is that of the Tea Party or derivatives thereof, and to claim they have no new ideas, is ignorance of the facts. The new GOP represents as close to a libertarian ideology than it ever has since this nation's founding. EDIT: I also like how you attributed our men and women in uniform to a danger to their own countrymen. Do elaborate on that theory. I'm interested to see how the armed forces of the country are worse than over 3,000 deaths at the hands of muslim extremists.

First, the policies of Republicans after 2001 were for the most part, similar to Democratic ones. Republicans raised taxes, increased spending and enlarged the size of government to levels higher than under Bill Clinton in the 90's. Right now, no arguments will come from credible conservatives that George Bush didn't harm the economy. He did, because he was an establishment, country club republican with as much a penchant for spending as any democrat practically. There might have been a few exceptions, but that's generally the case. As for "radical", yes it is radical for this country. While socialism may not be radical to you, it remains a fact that the President of the United States of America is indeed surrounded by avowed marxists, socialists and other radical organization. The "right wing spin" machine as you put it, rarely makes these claims themselves, but rather they show these people in their own words, admitting to their political ideologies. I don't understand how the democratic party can be so co-opted by these radicals, when the biggest losers in the midterms this year, were moderate democrats. So not only has the democratic party been hi jacked, but it's more center left officials have been removed from power. It's even more left than it was two years ago at this point.

First and foremost, the 2010 midterm election was not a tidal wave of conservatism in this country. Yes, the Republican party gained a record number of seats in the House of Representatives, not seen in 1948. But that in and of itself doesn't equate into an imminent nation altering conservative agenda. The conservatives will not be able to effect any real change in the country without bi-partisan support from democrats, and what legislation they do manage to put forward (such as the repeal of Obamacare), will likely be vetoed by the White House. Because the republican party wasn't able to defeat the senate majority, and beat incumbents like Harry Reid or Barney Frank, they are reduced to a secondary role of keeping the legislative branch in check but still allowing for gridlock government. Obama's radical agenda will be dragged into the center of mainstream politics and he will either be forced to moderate his policies, or face a tough election year in 2012. If the conservative party has learned one thing this week, it's that in 2006/2008 they were handed a death blow by their constituents. The american people are fed up with fiscal irresponsibility, tax and spend politicians and earmarks and spending that raises the debt to record levels. They delivered a message to the conservative leadership, and it read: change or face oblivion. Republcians in the last two years have worked hard to get back to their roots of fiscal responsibility, economic and social conservatism, personal responsibility and individual liberty. However, only time is going to tell whether or not the Republican party has learned from it's mistakes, and if it will still be business as usual in Washington D.C.

Best of Luck!

[quote name='xoindotnler' timestamp='1288812117' post='2501066'] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showuser=11088 isn't that hard. [/quote] Cool beans, thanks.

[center][img]http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/9787/minmatarflag2.png[/img][/center] The day was relatively quiet in the capital city of Matar, inside the State of Minmatar. Though the Tribal Council had yet to convene, there was an unmistakable feeling of impending triumph in the air. The people milled about, window shopping and purchasing their various foodstuffs and products in the common bazaar downtown. They seemed upbeat and positive, even amidst a worsening economy and a culture of political corruption, and mistrust. It had been over 100 years since the tribes of Brutor, Sebiestor, and Krusual joined together and defeated the Thukker tribe which had nearly brought the others to their knees. They had set aside their social and political differences to work together to defeat a common enemy. Since that time however, the tribes have devolved into a bickering council of elders that routinely places personal gain and nepotism above the needs of the people. Elections are a frequent point of contention amongst the people, as more often than not, they too are caught up between tribal lines. That was, until Maleatu Shakor came to the forefront of tribal politics almost three years ago. Elected as a Sebiestor representative to the tribal council, Maleatu pushed forward a radical agenda of reform that advocated real change during a volatile political landscape. Preaching a message of political unity under a single, united Republic, Maleatu Shakor was able to rally hundreds of thousands of minmatar to his cause and gained several seats in the tribal council in the last election cycle. In those three years, the entire tribal balance has been practically turned on it's head. It was this movement, that prompted the council to meet today, to decide the future of the State and the tribal council itself. The tribal representatives all sat in a large room. Their seats were arranged in groups of ten, and the three groups all faced a central raised dais at which the President sat in his own seat. Acting as a floor speaker, the President's primary responsibility is to set the agenda for the state and ensure that due course and deliberation on all issues is maintained within the tribal council. The Sebiestor section, lead by Maleatu Shakor, made their move first. Maleatu rose and with the recognition from the President's dais, he began to speak. "[i]Fellow tribesmen. I come to you today, with a petition by six hundred and seventy four thousand of our compatriots, to dissolve this body and instate a full legislative and executive framework based not on tribal represenatation. But upon full parliamentary ideals, under a new Republic comprised of all able bodied Minmatar.[/i]" Unsurprisingly, the Brutor section began to shoutdown Maleatu, as their tribal policies were in stark contrast to the liberal and reformist principles of the Sebiestor tribesmen. It took several minutes before the speaker was able to regain control of the floor and allow Maleatu Shakor to resume speaking. "[i]I have not come today to resume my tiresome speeches about the right of all minmatar to vote, assemble and petition this government. I have not come to make empty promises to the people of this great country. Nay, I have come to announce that the politics and tribal feuds of the past one hundred years are at an end. I announce today, after deliberation from both the Krusual and Sebiestor tribes, that our two tribes will no longer exist as a separate entities. In fact, they are to be dissolved, immediately and merged into the first political party of Minmatar.[/i]" Shouts of rage and support burst forth from both sides of the room as Krusual and Brutor tribesmen attempted to shout each other down, and the Sebiestors being stuck in the middle, began to clap wildly in favor of the remarks of Shakor. The President's attempts to regain control were futile, and at the moment that all seemed almost incomprehensible and out of control, Maleatu Shakor managed to speak and be heard by the room. "[i]With this new party, and the balance of power clearly behind the people of Minmatar, under the Articles of Tribal Law, I hereby put forth a vote to dissolve this body and put forth a referendum to all eligible Minmatar on the creation of a Republic...[/i]" The room devolved into chaos as the Sebiestor and Krusual tribesmen leapt out of their seats and cheered, and jeered the Brutor section, who stalked out the room, some even daring to throw their seats at the dais in disrespect towards the president for allowing the proceedings to continue. It wasn't for another three hours that the situation began to show signs of action, and the document at vote to dissolve the State of Minmatar as well as the Tribal Council, was voted upon and passed by a two thirds majority in the council. A new committee was formed, comprised primarily of Sebiestor and Krusual tribesmen, but with a few Brutor representatives, to discuss the formation of a Constitution and a Republican system of governance that would rule by consent of the people and where the rule of law was guaranteed. Thus, the rise of a new era, a Republican era, was at hand in Minmatar.

I see. I was just confused, as it wasn't listed. Unless I read it wrong I can't seem to find King of Cochin under the search function on these forums. Can anyone direct him here?

Wait, so are they in charge of the map or do they own the land? The map says it's open, thats why I requested it. If it's not open, I'll choose another plot.

So I sent him a message. Does this mean he will approve it, or what have you? Also, I love EVE Online. One of the best science fiction MMORPGs to come out in a long time.

I would like a small piece of land next to the Union of Slavic Republics. Please label it the Minmatar Republic. Thanks

[quote name='Muddog' timestamp='1284332236' post='2451596'] In truth, this was an OCC argument that became IC. I do not want this game to mess up my friendship. I'm simply letting her find a place that is better suited for her, free of any commitment so if she so chooses she may leave the game, with my having waisted minimal amounts of her time. [/quote] So now you're letting OOC affect your in game actions? That's even more irresponsible. If it started OOcly, why can't you keep it there and resolve it?

Again, as it was stated above, you have beef wit other opinions? I fail to see what's the harm in taking some advice or constructive criticism from your members. The hallmark of a good leader is to listen to even the lowliest of your minions so long as they're making sense.