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[quote name='Methrage' date='21 April 2010 - 11:44 AM' timestamp='1271875447' post='2269345'] The Citadel has 105k total NS, 21k Avg NS and 5 members currently. I consider that enough to be an alliance and would like to request the sanctions removed. We're mostly black, except me who has been banished from black. [/quote] I'm sure this is the best place to request this. Contacting the parties involved directly is overrated. Continue trying to hoard attention.

[quote name='Methrage' date='21 April 2010 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1271874873' post='2269328'] Your avg NS is one of the worse out of any alliance, even worse than Citadel. You like to get more numbers, but you guys don't seem to care much for nation growth beyond being big enough to tech raid smaller unaligned nations. Even the Citadel has higher Avg NS, I'm still above your average NS myself with 3.17 infra left. [/quote] The Citadel's Avg NS is also higher than UPN, TDO, ODN, MHA, NPO, and NpO. I bet none of them care about nation growth either.

Sorry Methrage, but sadism is not the same as masochism. Of course we care about the growth of GOONS.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='21 April 2010 - 10:08 AM' timestamp='1271869704' post='2269231'] [color="#0000FF"]You demanded reparation and my expulsion from the RIA. Your true motivation for those demands, which were not met by the way (I told you that you would be leaving empty handed), was to scare me into submission. Other, more worthy opponents, have tried and failed. I shall not be intimated by petty thugs such as yourself.[/color] [/quote] You stated "If someone dislikes them and voices that opinion they will attack that person.". This is not the reason we have taken the action we have. As well, we are not trying to "scare you into submission" - we know it would take divine intervention for you ever stop talking - so we know that would be pointless. Edit: Removed joke that may have not seemed so joke-like

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='21 April 2010 - 04:22 AM' timestamp='1271848916' post='2269043'] [color="#0000FF"]GOONS is the type of alliance to resort to force instead of intelligent debate because quite frankly they are consistently in the wrong. They know it too. Well, at least I hope they do. Regardless, they are unintelligent bullies to the heart. If someone dislikes them and voices that opinion they will attack that person. If that person is in an alliance they will resort to bully tactics and coercion in an attempt to get that alliance to hand that person right over. I should know. They tried recently.[/color] [/quote] In the case of "I should know. They tried recently.", You are misrepresenting the situation so much it is laughable. But, don't let things like facts get in the way of your diatribes. You are oh so good at them. [quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='21 April 2010 - 04:22 AM' timestamp='1271848916' post='2269043'] [color="#0000FF"]But yes, you get the point. GOONS wants the world to be afraid of them. So they bully. If called out, however, look no further than their government's whining to see how the alliance reacts. The way things are going I'd say GOONS is on the brink of collapse. Won't be long now.[/color] [/quote] Please point out where our government is whining. Also, I agree, our numbers have dwindled to a paltry 213. [b]Brink[/b] of collapse. [quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='21 April 2010 - 04:22 AM' timestamp='1271848916' post='2269043'] [color="#0000FF"]Your alliance's little obsession with me is quite odd. A little disturbing if you ask me. If you feel the need to bring me up even when I have nothing to do with something then you really must ask yourselves some important questions.[/color] [/quote] You are an outspoken opponent of GOONS just about any time we show our faces in public. It's only natural that we'd start to fall for you, and start seeing your face everywhere.

[quote name='BloodFury' date='21 April 2010 - 02:10 AM' timestamp='1271841029' post='2269011'] One Year of GOONS, Keep on Trucking. Next year, maybe we will see you as the only alliance? [/quote] One can only dream.

Happy Birthday GOONS indeed. Methrage, thank you for giving us this gift - that we are now able to weed out many that clearly do not hold up to the GOONS standard. There is always a silver lining, my friend. GOONS will be stronger for this.

Are you serious? This is starting to get out of hand.

[quote name='Prime minister Johns' date='20 April 2010 - 03:44 PM' timestamp='1271803440' post='2268333'] (Pst... the secret is to be nice) [/quote] I know your intentions are pure... but really, what chances do you think there are of this happening?

[quote name='Golan 1st' date='20 April 2010 - 01:30 PM' timestamp='1271795441' post='2268032'] the term as it is typically used within the standard diplomatic terminology is technical. It does not say anything about the cause of the "rogue" by this definition being just or not. You (and others) intentionally use the term which usually reflects bad moral to create the impression the "rogue" (by this definition) is evil. [/quote] I think I get the gist of what you're trying to say here - but I have to disagree. First, this is Methrage's thread decrying the use of a sanction, as he does not categorize himself as a rogue. As you've stated you accept our version of events, so you must disagree with this thread on principal. We made no statements regarding Methrage's status as a rogue until he attempted to defame both us and Umbrella - we simply had him sanctioned for his actions. Second, yes the standard definition of "rogue" is a technical one without any real moral attachment, however the actions which qualify one as such a "rogue" also happen to be actions which we take high offense to. We therefore see a rogue as being [b]wrong[/b], but not necessarily [b]evil[/b]. Edit: [quote name='Methrage' date='20 April 2010 - 01:52 PM' timestamp='1271796741' post='2268083'] I feel sorry for anyone who attempts diplomacy with GOONS seeing how they conduct themselves and the messages recieved, good thing I haven't bothered with it. [/quote] Good job admitting that in a situation that could have easily been solved via level-headed diplomacy, you've chosen to do nothing of the sort, and instead spew your grievances on a public forum.

Darn you PC for getting in the way of my tech raiding! Oh, yeah, congrats on existing. Good move with the protectorate, PC are a good bunch.

Mindless hail! o/

[center] so much fun to say almost seems made for haiku "you will regret this" [/center]

[quote name='Baldr' date='19 April 2010 - 03:32 PM' timestamp='1271716326' post='2266876'] Defending yourself when you are attacked doesn't make you a nuke rogue. They attacked you, and can hardly scream "OMG ROGUE!". If I were running an alliance that raided, I'd want to keep a list of nations who accepted peace every time it was offered. Those nations would get raided over and over again. After all, it's pretty much all profit. You hit them, offer peace, and leave with your profits. The nations who fight back are the ones who take the profit out of it. [/quote] First part: True. If a raider in GOONS gets nuked we will probably laugh at them. Second part: That sounds like way too much effort.

[quote name='BlkAK47002' date='19 April 2010 - 10:37 AM' timestamp='1271698644' post='2266448'] lol, Thats some deep stuff there [/quote] Your "lol"s and "lmao"s speak of the wisdom of ages.

[quote name='JamezBfod' date='19 April 2010 - 08:59 AM' timestamp='1271692725' post='2266335'] [color="#008000"][font="Times New Roman"]I will contact you privately over reps and surrender terms[/font][/color] [/quote] While most of what you've been spouting is pretty standard fare for people who blindly hate GOONS, there is not an eyeroll big enough in the world for this statement.

[quote name='Methrage' date='19 April 2010 - 01:19 AM' timestamp='1271665166' post='2266096'] It seems my new member is already banned from GOONS IRC, so much for them wanting to talk about this with him. [/quote] He had his chance to talk. Please refrain from pushing your nose even further into our business.

[quote name='JamezBfod' date='19 April 2010 - 12:33 AM' timestamp='1271662378' post='2266070'] [color="#008000"][font="Times New Roman"]Right now, it wouldn't matter very much. But if how you felt in irc is still good in about five days, perhaps I could help "persuade" you guys. He can't even possibly buy nukes anymore, even. What is the point of keeping him sanctioned besides looking tough on "rogues". I even told you guys to hold off on attacking him while I tried to talk it out and Nippy jumped the gun.[/font][/color] [/quote] James you were in GOONS longer than I, and you still don't get it? Good riddance.

[quote name='Methrage' date='19 April 2010 - 12:29 AM' timestamp='1271662139' post='2266066'] I don't know, with how the CSA situation panned out it seemed to tie your hands. Maybe its best you don't, but you should still have Umbrella remove the sanctions. [/quote] We recognized CSA from the beginning, because that was what we felt was right. However that is neither here nor there - it has absolutely no bearing on your sanction, and its status has not changed in the slightest.

[quote name='Methrage' date='19 April 2010 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1271661945' post='2266062'] Its decided in the closet as your charter words it and an alliance will mean whatever you want at the moment depending on whats convenient. I know what it says. [/quote] Right. And how, exactly, would recognizing you as an alliance right now be convenient for GOONS?

[quote name='Methrage' date='19 April 2010 - 12:14 AM' timestamp='1271661226' post='2266055'] All the tears are heart breaking, they really are. However we are two members now, do you now recognize the Citadel as an alliance? GOONS said I was on my own and a rogue as the main reason to request a sanction on black. [/quote] Come now, I know you've read our charter. You already know the answer to this question.

Jamez, what exactly is going on? I'll be contacting you on IRC.

[quote name='Methrage' date='18 April 2010 - 08:40 PM' timestamp='1271648426' post='2265796'] Also for those saying I'm a rogue, that is incorrect. A rogue would be attacking at random and not have friends who recognize them as an alliance. I haven't attacked anyone at random and have plenty of supporters, this thread gained over 10 pages while I wasn't able to post. [/quote] Rogues don't get to say they aren't rogues. That's something that people have been debating this entire thread. Did you think that everyone is going to think: "Oh, well Methrage said he isn't a rogue. Glad that's cleared up!" As for "support": In the last 10 pages you cite, there have been 63 different posters. 48 of those posted negatively towards you in some way. 7 of those posted more or less neutrally. 1 posted negatively after only reading the first post, and then changed his mind after discussing it here. What's left? 7 supporters.

[quote name='magicmountain' date='18 April 2010 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1271632607' post='2265468'] [center]Goons will die, he said Methrage, said we. You are Goons. and Methrage was Goons[/center] [/quote] Dude I already did this joke. Although bonus points for haiku format.

[quote name='Methrage' date='18 April 2010 - 11:26 AM' timestamp='1271615143' post='2265093'] During my suspension I've banned nippy and several other GOONS from sending further pointless messages which continued well after I couldn't post on the forum anymore, others who choose to fill my inbox with filth will also be blocked from messaging in-game. I wish there was an option to filter out the posts on the forum of particularly annoying posters with nothing worthwhile to say, but guess that would be asking for to much. [/quote] This only makes sense to me. You obviously can't get any extra attention if you argue about things privately. [quote name='Methrage' date='18 April 2010 - 11:38 AM' timestamp='1271615874' post='2265115'] I don't want peace until GOONS are destroyed and those who stick by them have been thoroughly beaten, right now GOONS control the black senate through proxy using Umbrella even though they were the only alliance I can think of blocked from joining NOIR. Umbrella can't remove the sanction on me unless GOONS tell them to. I don't think Umbrella (ex-Genmay leadership mostly) was ever very loyal to Citadel and just used it as a stepping stone to bring the Unjust Path alliances back in power. You can also see GOON requested sanctions on aqua and most colors, the old GOONS were known for abusing the senate and this new GOONS seems no different. [/quote] Did you make your tinfoil hat yourself? Or do you have a guy?