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I'm on vacation where the women are absolutely incredible by the way. Now that it seems NPO's allies (or some of them, I haven't had the chance to catch up) have decided against being pansies, this thread could probably be closed if a moderator doesn't mind. Thanks to all for the debate...

Mercy and patience in pre-war terms, while unprecedented, would have been the best option in my opinion. I agree with most of your post but I still don't understand why MK would ask NPO to admit to fabricating evidence.

Thanks buddy.. I hope you're right.. C'mon Archon, do it for my little lady..

These terms would be good to see..

I may have missed an announcement (packing and boarding my puppy is awful stuff) but I didn't see any of those "off the table" as of yet. Insofar as Karma's performance on achievement and retribution, I am going to guess that remains to be seen.

That much was clear in the negotiations.

Well stated yet the terms should not have been non-negotiable and there should have been more patience applied. I never said you should roll over like hippies, but that you should provide fair terms. Having NPO admit to doctoring evidence is not a fair term and neither is rushing to get a negotiation finished because 10 or 20 nations decided to be cowards.

Look at the hurfing and the durfing goin on around here..

I do not support harsh punishments laid down by any sides during a war.. Maybe I've just gotten old. You should consider reading this whole thread as I basically just said I don't even support it when *GASP* the NPO does it too.. Why do you think I joined TORN? And then NSO? There's a pattern of forgiveness and non-rep style warfare that I lean towards.

How did I miss this stroke of genius?

I'd be willing to wager that most of those top 30 were in peace mode before the OV conflict even began. That's sorta how NPO goes to war. Whether its a good thing or a bad thing is another story obviously.

Ah yes, the cosmic coincidence mocking of the situation wasn't a strawman at all, now was it?

Funny thing is none of those alliances are NPO... I guess Moo now controls three other large alliances as well... Oh wait, no they all canceled on him.

I think the NPO was working for peace after they realized their error, yes. The rest of your post doesn't apply at all to my argument and can be dismissed. This is not about doing what NPO would have done, its about the way Archon and co. handled it. Do you understand? Why do you think I left NPO? Obviously, I felt there was something wrong and unmerciful about the way they went about their business. However, two wrongs do not make a right and I'm standing up for what I feel is right which is more than I can say for most of Bob's residents.

You're backtracking now. At first you said it was the whole alliance and made a cosmic coincidence joke. Now you're admitting that 2.5% of the an alliance is enough to call it a jump to peace-mode. Really, where do you stand? The terms as stated were unfairly written and anyone with a hint of objective thought would have understood that. It was quite clear NPO attacked without a proper CB but they did not in anyway change the logs or pump up the evidence. That would have been a very fair term and it was quite clear the NPO was ready to accept it. When you are dealing with the fate of your entire (huge) alliance it does not behoove you to just accept a lie as the truth.

Hey buddy. Nice post, thanks for actually taking the time to analyze and debate the original post. I can see where you are coming from.. Well said.. However, I still believe that more patience and mercy could have been applied. Whether it should have been or deserved to have been is really another story. Thanks again for your thought-out post. Kingsrqt, how's it going? I heard you started dating someone behind my back you little doo doo head you. Just the way Archon was speaking in those logs, its quite clear that he was savoring his moment of having NPO bow to him. If that's not clear to you, then perhaps I've just lost my mind.. Love you still though, come back to me. Although, I hear the ladies in Iceland are pretty darn lovely this time of year.

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE OF AN ORDER INTO PEACE MODE?

Why do you refuse to debate about the topic at hand? I am not arguing that NPO didn't deserve it or have it coming.. I'm arguing about Archon's negotiation tactics. Please use one of the other 1800 threads if you want to spout anti-NPO stuff.. The "cosmic coincidence" nonsense is just absurd, how many members jumped into peace mode? 10? 20? That's about 2.5% of the whole alliance..

Funny you mention that term.. The NPO was pounding away at a negotiation in that room and were giving many, many acceptances to terms I frankly didn't expect to see.

You are a bright one aren't you. I didn't make any blunders and I am not in the NPO. Nice job reading and understanding my position in the OP. Now, please, for your own sake, get out of this thread.

Hello. Nice post, dude. I fully understand the feelings toward NPO and their allies but that's not really what my OP was about. My OP was about Archon and his dealings with NPO in the private channel negotiating for peace. If he didn't want peace, he shouldn't have been there "negotiating" for it. Its quite clear in the logs that he didn't want peace. As far as the peace mode argument goes, there have been no actual facts to back up these allegations. As a former member of NPO, I can tell you that if NPO wanted their nations into peace mode, it would have happened a lot sooner and a lot more efficiently than that. The bottom line is there was most likely no such order and the rush to end negotiations was near-sighted.

Where are you getting the 150 number from? Please do tell..

Actually what is kind of sad is the way you see things so black and white. Its quite possible that there was no order to get NPO nations into peace mode and yet Archon and Co. still believed they were rushing to get there. That's sorta what happens when you have a 900 man alliance.

I don't think suggesting that I thought Archon was lying is in anyway a key question. I also don't think that ridiculous "log" you posted in anyway characterizes the actual conversation that was held. I don't think NPO are without guilt and I do think they deserve punishment for their actions but this thread is about Archon and his inability to give more patience to a negotiation that was, in fact, making headway. Moo accepted a couple of terms and, like a good leader, attempted to hash out other terms to satisfy both Karma and his own alliance. But please, feel free to continue to use hyperbole to make your point.

This is maybe the single worst post I have ever read. Thank god I have a week vacation to get over it. Take care all. Remember, mercy is the greatest show of strength.