Jim Bowie

It is ok brother, this is a challenge that I know our people will rise up and meet. JB

We don't expect any chances, our CB was garbage and our honor was besmirched (maybe permanatly) by our past actions. Hopefully you learned the same thing we did by watching our poor example, and how we reaped what we had sown. We will either prove ourselves from our example... or be destroyed... but hopefully if it is the later, it is done via the merits of our actions, and not a percieved flaw. But I promise you this, if you judge us by our merits, then there will be no need for our destruction. I don't think we will always be perfect, and you will not always agree with us, or we you, but we have learned from our past misdeeds. JB

I know buddy ;-) JB Thank you. From rolling with these guys for as long as I have, I can assure you that there is no one better to run the current NoR government then who NoR has in there now. These men are capable leaders, and capable of learning from their past errors. As far as my Guberment involvement, I am more of a military man and those are my only asperations. Yeah, most the guys in FAN know me pretty well from gunsnet ;-). JB

Come again? Who stole Mogar and replaced him with this man? LOL Thanks Look... this was WAY out of line bro... Don't you know that the AK is the greatest thing since sliced bread? I have three of them... four if you count the Romainian PSL.... JB

THIS^ This is the exact way I see it as well. Also, did you find your nation? JB

Yes Martens did apologies, my government apologized, but I feel that I never apologized for my own smug part in it. And for what I was involved with it is an apology that I will from this day forth always offer in a humble manner. It is one thing for the leadership to to put things behind them, but we warriors need closure too. JB

Well hopefully this banter bears fruit and we can put this crap behind us. What we did to ICP, was the same thing that I feel happend to NoV/SoM... and I know it is hypocritical to an extent... but I learned my lesson. JB

Well man, at the time I thought it was funny, but I had a hefty dose of my own medicine. What I did was wrong it is as simple as that. I still do owe you, you can pick the time. JB

You do have every right to be angry with that, it has been a long time since I read that post to be sure and I can say that I am not proud of my involvement in it as I stand here now. I am not ashamed to say that part of the reason was because I was on the receiving end of the same treatment via TPF. You were putting your alliance back together with some of your closest brothers, something you could all enjoy together, and you did everything right. You tried to mend bridges with us and we slapped you in the face to the silly battle cry of "LOL commies"... and it was BS. I was, at the time of the aforementioned thread, a ranking member of the NoV military command (under a different nation and ruler name), and had assisted in the planning and the destruction of your friends along with the morale boosting and propaganda that goes right along with this sort of operation. Now that I look back with the eyes I have now I agree with you because I share the same anger as you do. I’ll never forget what happened to me and my friends and I would not suspect those who I wronged will do the same. I stole some tech from you with my old nation, but it was still me that did the thieving. If you PM me in game, I will repay it (I can't find your nation "Polandpolandpoland")I know it does not change what I did… I know your not part of any alliance… but you are owed a tithe from me, I and will repay it. JB *edited for clarity*

Sounds about right to me, if you are going to slander someone, be prepared to reap the consequences. Especially if the person you slander is a man of honor. JB

It feels like DT is getting rolled... since they send me millions every week for tech deals and have open lines of credit with my nation.... and are my protectorate.... and they rule hard sauce. JB

I wonder why he would do that hmmm? JB

Well the feelings at the time, at least from the NoV side of the fence, were that this would be a fight to the death. This was a feeling that was portrayed openly by thier primary advisaries for sure, why would the allies of NoR feel any diffrent about their situation? JB

So then the left does not bare NoR any ill will? This is positive. This is actually true, the proliteriat does seem to wear their hearts on thier sleeves. ;-) JB

I think the communists hate NoR more then the reverse... interesting. JB

Welcome back to your awesome profile avatar! JB

Gershon....*Snap*Snap* Gershon Do you know if this epic come with a side of win? JB

I am sure it will be the victors that choose in the end. Let us hope they show a measure of mercy and a kinship between warriors when all is said in done... but by no means should such a thing be expected... JB

Ahhhh, CN NoR/NoV/SoM was good times... I like how those who destroyed it still feel the need to defend their actions after all this time....

Is it your opinion that these terms are somehow inhumane, because that is an argument that is hard for anyone to swallow I would think. +They lost, and then a fair deal was hammered out for them to sell some tech to their opponents. I simply do not see why you are fighting this. Hell after the war I am going back to selling tech right beside them to the same exact guys ferchrisakes. When people start to oppose fair peace terms it only paves the way for harsher ones. I for one, look forward to meeting some of my former opponents on a level deal table as opposed to a sweat shop. SSW18 did well in getting these terms. My guess is that you have never been on the receiving end of a forced disband or huge unreasonable reps. JB

Forgive me, but coming from an alliance that was forced to disband to the sound of horns and trumpets I can say that these terms are quite humane. SSW18 fought a great fight, lets not sully this by telling them they copped out on terms, I feel they did quite well given that they lost the war. These terms are very humane, my god man, we are helping their post war economy. JB

All three nations I engaged that belonged to SSW18 (Yevensky, Southern Alliance and Japan1) fought with honor. But let me say this, Yevensky fought like a man possessed and although my alliance defeated yours sir... I could not defeat you and your people. A magnificent defence sir. I raise my glass to this peace. JB