Parandiac
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you can't quote wikipedia, man
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no, he took control of the AA when deebo banned him for leaving. then he kicked deebo and i off the AA when i attacked him for going rogue.
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you started a rogue war on another alliance without the consent of the LPH government. you have no authority within the alliance, and only retain control of the AA because you didn't hand it over to deebo when he came into office. you have blundered your way into this and co-opted NSO into sanctioning and attacking me. you are going to get what you rightfully reserve as i drive you to ZI.
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you losing your mask does not prevent people from logging in and adding their input. you started the motion and drege supported it... and then you both left. other than you two, not a single person supported your action.
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i didn't vote in the election. he still would have had one vote over you if we had both voted.
you didn't follow the charter by providing elections. he was within his right to call the overdue election, but you didn't raise any complaint at the time. nor did you leave in a huff when that happened. so it's all very puzzling as to why you remained in my alliance when you apparently were just breaking down on the inside.
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you didn't correct the "contradicting clauses" all summer while you toiled away at doing exactly dick for my alliance. since there is no regulation which designates who removes your mask, i do believe that it matters not one iota which member of government removed your mask.
you're right about the AA though. you kicked me since someone stupidly allowed you to be the heir of the founder. it's ok though. you aren't on our forum any longer and your tantrum has gained you much more attention than you properly deserve. removing yourself from the AA would be much too simple a task for you and i know you won't do it. your decisions in the next few hours will set the mode for the torrential ass beating that your nation will receive. it's your choice. -
nuclear anarchy is good for you, rey.
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rule 8.0 has been there the entire time. feel free to read the charter of my alliance whenever you have a free moment.
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Just for the record, I never resigned from the alliance. My post was regarding the neglectful nature I was treated with as a government member. If I meant to leave the alliance, I would have said so in the Resignation forum. That's why I made the forum. To put resignations in. You removed my member mask illegally. Therefore, LPH's charter is defunct.
Anything goes.from your post on LPH's forum:
Whatever, if you guys just want to wither and stagnate you can do it on your own. Rey out.
from the LPH charter:8.0) The government may remove a problem member at any time with majority approval.
drege resigned. deebo and i talked and then he removed you from our forum. a majority of government members decided you were unfit to continue as a member of our alliance. as such, your nation is subject to war under Erik's Law. you have kicked my nation from the AA, gotten Pyroman to sanction my nation, and even gone so far as to solicit Hereno to attack me "in defense of LPH".
NSO has been notified of this asshattery in the LPH embassy. and i've been invited to join our friends at GOONS, since my nation clearly advertises LPH's protection status. telling that the two of you couldn't coordinate attacks and drive me into anarchy, rey. all this could have been avoided if only you had pulled your panties up and used your big boy voice to discuss things instead of ragequitting.
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when chax left, rey took over. it appears that this was not passed to deebo when he took the helm.
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Yeah, okay. Your failed coup of Rey and attempt to usurp his authority as the leader of LPH is childish and is going to have a terrible impact on your global reputation. Isn't there something in the LPH charter by which a member (if you were one) can rightfully challenge the authority of your leader, with enough support? What's with all this drama?deebo didn't coup rey: members voted rey out of office
there is something in the charter that provides exactly what you describe. rey activated it and got only one person to support the measure, then he resigned and screwed with the alliance manager. prior to this, rey had openly complained about deebo but instead of working to meet halfway, he simply threw a tantrum. when he quit, drege resigned stating that he had "decided to react in an equally childish way."i expect to lose a few more when they find out their friends have left in disgrace.
meh.
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Sure.
Even though our treaty announcements was trolled by Parandiac and Bern and also the reason why me and Ovi came out was of course Deebo making the comment "Those who killed the alliance reside in a specific re-branded alliance." So now I find ourselves even. But yes, good luck and may the new look bring peace and fun and new adventures.
children play tit for tat. you would have been better served to simply ignore what was said here and deal with any queries made about the situation on your own.i truly regret introducing you to people at Europa, john. bringing you here was my biggest mistake, and i used to be in Echelon.
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fashionably late because ______
glad to see this come together and it's always fun being chax's lackey.
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Para, I've never been at odds with you, but you're single minded, "hate all people of FEAR" is really getting annoying.
These logs are so out of context their presentation is laughable. Yet simultaneously and overwhelmingly so, it is depressing that you forget this entire conversation was contingent on the information that Chax presented which further lead to the whole BFF/NEW fiasco that ultimately spelled the death of the bloc as a whole.You're only purpose for doing this is derisive at best, and I can not say I reserve any more respect for you in having done so.
EDIT: Oh that's right, you weren't even present during the conversation. I wonder who you got these from...
i don't hate the people in FEAR. i've actually never proffered that statement at all. you can make up whatever you like, but don't put words in my mouth when you have a hard enough time getting them out.the context was pretty much that everyone in BFF was tired of NEW. whatever chax did or didn't do, everyone was already tired of NEW's shenanigans and was done with them. my purpose here is simply being an agent of chaos. i have no ill will towards either of your alliances. i just think you're hilarious.
and i didn't get them from chax. remember when SnowWolf and chax were posting logs in the BFF forum? sometimes people copy these things down for later perusal and or use.
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remember when BFF and NEW were at odds with each other? neither does anyone in FEAR
[14:06] <@DarkFox> we should do the voting now that we have all had a good chance to think over the options
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<@DarkFox> I'm all for cancelling on NEW now, if they hit NPO
stick to the deal as long as nothing else happens. If someone hits NEW
we fuck them up
[14:07] <%ovidsidios> what were the options again
04[14:07] <@SniperJoe> That's what me and Chax wanted as well.
[14:07] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> i vote Option 2, cancel on NEW, honor MD but not MA
04[14:07] <@SniperJoe> [15:05] <&Chax[BFF]> Option 1, cancel on NEW flatout for violating article 2
04[14:07] <@SniperJoe> [15:05] <&Chax[BFF]> Option 2, cancel on NEW, honor MD but not MA
04[14:07] <@SniperJoe> [15:05] <&Chax[BFF]> Option 3, cancel on NEW, honor MDAP and go limited against NPO
04[14:07] <@SniperJoe> [15:05] <&Chax[BFF]> Option 4, same as above but not limited
04[14:07] <@SniperJoe> [15:05] <&Chax[BFF]> And option 5, keep the treaty
01[14:07] <&Chax[BFF]> that
[14:08] <%ovidsidios> Option 4
01[14:08] <&Chax[BFF]> Joe, Fox and I are option-3
[14:08] <&Turetel[BFF]> option 4
01[14:09] <&Chax[BFF]> Donald?
[14:09] <@SniperJoe> Dunno if he's around.
06[14:09] * &Turetel[BFF] slaps TheDon125 around a bit with a large trout
[14:09] <@DarkFox> Johnap
[14:09] <%ovidsidios> don't you mean a herring?
06[14:09] * &Turetel[BFF] slaps johnap88[BFF|DoD] around a bit with a large trout
[14:09] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> i said i vote Option 2, cancel on NEW, honor MD but not MA
[14:09] <@SniperJoe> He already voted
01[14:09] <&Chax[BFF]> what was his choice, SJ?
[14:09] <@SniperJoe> 2
[14:10] <@SniperJoe> He just said fucker
[14:10] <&Turetel[BFF]> lol
01[14:10] <&Chax[BFF]> ahh
[14:10] <@DarkFox> what did he vote?
[14:10] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> it was right before you posted the options
01[14:10] <&Chax[BFF]> yeah I texted him
01[14:10] <&Chax[BFF]> "paging doctor faggot"
[14:11] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> look, most defiantly cancel on them, just saying i picked 2
[14:11] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> option 2*
01[14:11] <&Chax[BFF]> sec
[14:11] <@DarkFox> for the record though, I still dont like the limited war bullshit
01[14:11] <&Chax[BFF]> calling our ombudsman
01[14:11] <&Chax[BFF]> this is what he's here for
[14:11] <@SniperJoe> Me neither
[14:12] <@SniperJoe> But if we go back on it now we look like indecisive and erratic jerkoffs
[14:12] <@SniperJoe> To the whole world
[14:12] <%ovidsidios> you see the thing is though SniperJoe
[14:12] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> im ready to pull out my fucking handgun to blast this computer in half
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<@DarkFox> i am more worried about the lack of warchests on some
of our nations. Even this tech raid will fuck them up
[14:12] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> if you dont make ur fucking minds up
01[14:12] <&Chax[BFF]> Okay
[14:12] <@SniperJoe> lol
01[14:13] <&Chax[BFF]> Silly Walker has voted
01[14:13] <&Chax[BFF]> He will confirm it later if you want, but he has voiced support for Option 3.
01[14:13] <&Chax[BFF]> That's two triumvirs, MoI, and Ombudsman
[14:13] <@SniperJoe> good
01[14:13] <&Chax[BFF]> I believe that is our option, then.
[14:13] <%ovidsidios> so much better than the elders
01[14:13] <&Chax[BFF]> yes
01[14:13] <&Chax[BFF]> now
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<&Chax[BFF]> despite personal opinions on this matter or how
we think the vote should have gone, it is crucial that BFF gov be
unified and supportive of this
[14:14] <@DarkFox> I envy you for being able to post that cancellation. Fucking hate NEW
01[14:14] <&Chax[BFF]> lol
[14:14] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> i wanna post it
[14:14] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]>
01[14:14] <&Chax[BFF]> lol
01[14:14] <&Chax[BFF]> I've got it written up -
With regards to surrendering, I think both sides are a bit out to lunch.
The last couple wars have resulted in our lower-mid tier getting pounded. This is pretty much par for the course and we've never had morale issues in the past. Sure, some upper-mid tier guys and higher tier guys have been added to the mix, but the difference is maybe 20% of our alliance at best and the thinking is flawed. It used to be that the lower tier was filled with newbs who when shocked by the fragility of their nation jumped ship in droves. We've seen slow growth in the CN world as a whole and now a large percentage of the lower tier is populated by re-rolls and lazy cheesedragons. I took all my significant damage in the first week. Some nations may last a couple before ending up in the same place. Once we're here, where is the incentive to surrender? So we can start rebuilding? A lot of us barely built to begin with. Its why we're down here... I also see talk about CnG and others not wanting to burn for Umbrella and we're supposedly upset over their top guys sitting in peace mode. We, in CnG, are more than aware that the derp rush was more about CnG than it was about Umbrella. GOONS no doubt sees it the same way. You guys jumped us with such ridiculous force, there's really no other way to interpret it. It conceivably could've been a strategic move given the ODN's lack of outside ties and an attempt to weaken post-war allies of the NPO faction of your coalition, but Umbrella isn't loaded down with outside ties and if option B is your game, your coalition is hopeless in the long term.
From our side, I see talk about the upper tier nations getting pounded as reasoning for their withdrawal. The problem is their upper tier is the minority in their alliances. They've pointed this out in relation to us, but its even more true for them. Even if their upper tier wanted out, they'd be unlikely to get their way. The mid and lower tier is going to continue having a blast, so expecting pull-outs of any significant scale is pointless. Add to that, the amount of pride those upper tier would have to swallow in any surrender having trumpeted an easy victory from the beginning. Its also worth noting that surrender is really the only way out. Our side can't afford to sign a mutual withdrawal, so any move to leave the battlefield would be one-sided and essentially a surrender even if the terms didn't explicitly state that. The coalition as a whole isn't about to drop for the same reasons the upper tier isn't going to push surrender. The majority of alliances are enjoying this and even those that aren't will remain too stubborn to pull-out for a while yet.
Bottom line here is we're going to be here for a while, so pull up a chair, grab some popcorn and enjoy.truly this. our side is content with the curb stomp up high, while the other side is content to get knocked down into the mid tier and wreak havoc. it happened already, so now it's becoming a war of attrition. who is going to pull out first? with everyone content right now because they won a limited advantage on their own terms, kind of, all we're going to do is pummel the mid to low tiers until someone breaks from the boredom of rebuilding the lower guys through aid.
strategic peace mode and aidfalls will see where this ends up. as long as they are lazy and allow us to act like FAN did, then they are going to lave a long and cumbersome war on their hands.
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Hi Para, nice to see you again. You have been busy going around CN from Europa into BFF and now INT. Maybe another showdown between you and jrkee at the low tiers?
Well, I think stats will be bleak on this case. From the way I see each side post their comment, one side pictures the whole statistics of the totality while the other side uses different statistics like from tier to tier, breakdown statistics, etc.
It is why each side is believing they are winning.
However, this thread is about the top tier war which has already been decided. Maybe make 100K NS and below anaylsis?
eh, Europa->BFF was kind of an evolution. BFF->INT was chaos. i blame deebo, as the old Europan motto goes.
jrkee has been through a lot, it looks like. he's still following my nation building plan though, so i'm glad that's working out for him. pretty gradual decline as well so his rebuild will be swift, considering his warchest is probably still in line with mine. we probably won't fight at all, but i might go barreling through a couple other people in MCXA. it's kind of a tradition now.
you can look at the big picture and think you really see what is going on, but reality is, there are little things happening that upset that big picture every now and again. it's happened before. when masses of nations steal defeat out of the jaws of victory, as i've seen done in many wars being fought against INT nations, it begs the question of just what are sheer numbers worth if they can't fight a war worth a damn? so yeah- big picture, it might look bleak because of numbers and NS comparisons.
but active wars, active aid slots, NS drop comparison ratio between infra and tech... these are the actual meat of things, and the only real thing that has been happening in here has been "well the NS drop of blah blah blah" across dozens of alliances without actual breakdown of anything. there is a lot of conjecture, but if vasily is the only one fetching stats, it's a mountain of information for one person to handle. everyone posting in this thread that continues to ask for updated information could have offered to gather data and log it in an excel sheet and forward it to vasily so he could add his input about what it means.
or i could start doing it tomorrow for several alliances. valentine's day being what it is, my woman has certain expectations about tonight, so today is shot.
i'll build some stuff in excel and try to cook something up this weekend.
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vasily, save us! you're the only one capable of looking up stats on different alliances or specific nations! what is this magical tool you seem to use that holds power over the peasants in this thread that would rather bicker about who killed who?
most of you should hail from alliances that hopefully were competent enough to collect pre-war stats on their alliance, and have been tracking that change. so instead of idly pondering what is going on, maybe be proactive and go bring that data here (barring your government going into sandy vagina mode for no reason) or do your own number crunching and people can select to start tracking certain alliances daily and then feed that data to vasily.
everyone butthurt about who started this war should grab a couple alliance info screens and start writing down numbers immediately.
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may 14
throwing it back out there since it hasn't been added to the OP yet
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Have you ever fought a lopsided war?
i find this hilarious since khyber was a member of the echelon triumvirate during karma.
really good read, mostly, aside from the threadsh*tting of a few people.
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may 14
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Am I the only one donating?
nope. i put 200tech on it. scy just hasn't updated his post. interesting to see that nobody else is actually donating and just freeloading. -
psh. i'm in INT because of a sloppy merger and then war broke out. their politics isn't my business currently and i'm here to stir the pot.
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march 25. i'll add 200tech to the pot. nbd
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