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If we had him locked up somewhere, he certainly wouldn't have internet access.
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[quote name='Canik' timestamp='1307602688' post='2727734']
I figured there would be some other blocs with protectorate blocs, but there aren't that many and each one is unique. Really, my point is that Mathias is generalizing and being negative for the sake of being negative.
And I know you were around before then, Mathias. You name is very recognizable, and your style of posting hasn't changed a bit. Although it may have been very early 2007, but I doubt it. Were you not in any way involved with ICSN or NoR back then?
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You caught me, I totally forgot about those alliances I was in. -
[quote name='Canik' timestamp='1307599254' post='2727700']
I know you were involved in some of those early commie alliances... so yeah, congrats on not knowing how long you've been here.
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[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1307596858' post='2727662']
I could allow just one MKer to be morally outraged at this, maybe. But good lord, after what your alliance has perpetrated in recent years, and especially in recent months, you really have no room to speak. So cut it out with all the pretend moral outrage. All of you.
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Shut up. No one cares what you'll "allow."
MK hasn't forced people out of gov or changed anyone's charter. And this argument isn't about MK, so sorry we're not the boogeyman you want us to be.
And I'll be outraged about what I've always been outraged about. Just because I don't !@#$%* about tech raiding or people having to pay reps or just simply going to war doesn't mean I don't have my own moral standards. -
[quote name='Canik' timestamp='1307596333' post='2727652']
[b]Mathias - Knowin' It All Since 2006[/b]
FYI, Blood For Friends, being such a tight-knit MADP DMT bloc, decided it was best to not have individual protectorates. Helps to eliminate any strain an individual protectorates might put on our relationship with one another. Shared responsibility and all that jazz.
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2007 actually.
And I know the logic behind protectorate blocs; they're still a stupid idea. -
[quote name='Comrade Craig' timestamp='1307590973' post='2727599']
Back in my day, forced expulsions were pretty much standard operating procedure. I've survived demands for expulsion from Norden Verein, VE, and even the freakin' GPA.
Um, I think I had a point... Let this be a lesson, boys and girl (I'm sure there's one out there, somewhere) -- don't ever get old.
Oh yeah, my point... I don't think losing a war and suffering the associated penalties is the end of the world. It builds character.
Get off my lawn.
-Craig
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I remember those practices too, and have been in alliances that's happened to (and worse).
There's a reason !@#$ like this isn't supposed to happen anymore. -
Protectorate blocs are the stupidest idea.
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[quote name='Alex987' timestamp='1307590189' post='2727581']
Lol, yes. I know I am not convincing him as has probably been said by many people before. The only people I care to convince are the ones not posting outrageous comments and just silently observing.
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Outrageous comments? You're wrong, just so you know. Doch's posts are indeed outrageous but you're still wrong. -
[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1307577311' post='2727385']
I seriously need to start running a betting pool as to which alliance is going to make the first snide remarks at my posts. Honestly, that could be a profitable venture.
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It wouldn't be because nobody gives a !@#$ about you. -
[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1307576058' post='2727367']
They disputed other terms and R&R just gave it to them. They negotiated. They brought the terms down. You claimed they didn't put up any resistance - they obviously did.
It's how you see it, I guess. I see it as R&R giving UINE a helping hand since they [likely] weren't going to take the initiative to get rid of Keve themselves. They're a better alliance without Keve as leader. So yes, I can say the "punishment" fits the crime.
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We all know Keve is a terrible leader (that's why we're here), but if UINE wants him out that's UINE's prerogative. It's a matter of principle. You don't interfere in an alliance's inner workings and if you do you're wrong. It's as simple as that. -
[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1307571810' post='2727320']
They did put up resistance. One example: R&R wanted Keve out of government permanently; UINE didn't, so they compromised to remove him temporarily. There's more, that's just one example of negotiations where there was a compromise made.
And if UINE is incompetent, then they wouldn't have put any changes in place. So R&R (I guess) decided to push them in the right direction. If it's what they want, then who cares? If they're that incompetent, then chances are they would not have taken the initiative to fix themselves.
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Wow, so UINE was able to stop a forced expulsion. Clearly they're masters of diplomacy.
Like I said in the post you quoted, it doesn't matter if UINE wants the change or is or isn't capable of implementing them. R&R overstepped it's bound when it made them a term of surrender. UINE had a botched tech raid and failed to pay for it. Can you honestly say the punishment fits the crime here? -
Can we please put to rest the arguments that UINE didn't put up resistance in negotiations and that they wanted these changes? In regards to the former, UINE is incompetent. That's why this whole situation occurred, and the fact that they don't know how to negotiate just shows that R&R needlessly took advantage of that. As far as the latter is concerned, it doesn't matter that UINE wanted them. If they wanted them, they would put the changes in place. R&R has no right to run UINE, even if they're running it how the membership would like.
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[quote name='Stealthkill' timestamp='1307560900' post='2727168']
Meh, the point of the terms were to A, get AiD the money they were owed, and B, make sure that UINE didn't get into a situation like this again. So yeah, we asked for some reforms. UINE agreed to meet them. Hell, they were gonna do some of them already. Haters gonna hate, but hey, might as well let 'em.
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It's not your place to make sure UINE stays out of situations like this. If they want to see reforms, they can do that on their on terms without having them shoved down their throat during a war. UINE didn't pay so you punished them, take your reps and leave you have no right to dictate their inner workings indefinitely or even at all.
The fact that you think this is acceptable is astounding and speaks volumes. -
Please elect someone who knows how to get reasonable terms.
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[quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1307510584' post='2726721']
At least they didn't keep them at war for a couple months just to destroy their one upper tier nation.
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Regardless of what MK has done (because that isn't at all germane to my argument) it's wrong to bully a smaller alliance, but I can even overlook that. What I won't overlook is the fact that R&R is trying to dictate the internal workings of another alliance, and for !@#$%^&* reasons at that.
Honestly have the balls to tell your ally they're wrong. -
I'm not one to be nice, but are you out of your !@#$@#$ mind? Those terms are completely ridiculous and for $18 million?
Where was Polaris while UINE was letting R&R screw them over? I know UINE is a terrible alliance but seriously they don't deserve this over chump change. -
[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1307328791' post='2724877']
I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict a statement by UINE letting their allies off the hook in terms of coming to UINE's defense and/or a series of statements from said allies cancelling their treaty with UINE so they don't have to get pulled into a war they'd rather not fight.
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Hey everyone look at Nostradamus over here. He's so knowledgeable and worldly and you should listen to and respect his opinions; he's been in gov before.
Everyone knows that nobody wants to defend UINE, especially UINE. -
Can you guys do us all a favor and not exist?
You're just going to merge into someone a couple months down the line anyway. We'll just pretend we saw the two or three milestone announcements in between and call it a day. -
[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1307327578' post='2724827']
Oh no! Scars joke again, this is totally unfair...
[i]*D34th runs crying[/i]
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I think he meant you wouldn't be defending UINE.
You know, because you're usually obnoxious. -
[quote name='Lord Boris' timestamp='1307326850' post='2724803']
Probably wanted to catch UINE before they could run to hippie.
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How organized and active do you think UINE is?
You're giving them far too much credit. -
Whoa XX are an aggressive new Hegemony.
Look at how they push the little guy around. Worse than NPO. -
Congratulations TOP.
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Congratulations on being exactly as worthless as a bloc as you were individually.
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Yeah GOONS are bad for following normal rogue standards.
And you spelled GOONS wrong. You should get ask the mods to fix your topic title.
The Evolution of "Politics"
in World Affairs (IC)
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[quote name='Augustus Autumn' timestamp='1307625447' post='2727865']
If the Mushroom Kingdom... wants to go over to the proverbial dark side they're free to do so and deal with the hell that follows. Let them - it's more amusing that way and a much more effective lesson in the long term.
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Several people in MK spoke out against the terms that R&R gave UINE, but thanks for trying.