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  1. New Polar Order Declaration of War

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    You wanted to build a coalition, you tried to build a coalition and you failed to build a coalition. We found out and chose not to sit on our hands about it.

    Oh, so that's what we were doing.  So, you found out about a threat, found out that we failed to fulfill that threat, then attacked non-threat.  At least you didn't try to argue that you're not afraid of us.  That fact is looking mighty indisputable right about now.

  2. New Polar Order Declaration of War

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    We still have the moral high ground. Dajobo just isn't being all Grub about pointing it out. ;)

     

    You tried. You failed. No point in waiting until you managed to succeed.

    If we wanted war with you, how exactly have we failed?  What, because we didn't get to DoW you guys first?  You realize you outnumber us even without Fark and TOP, calling firstsies is hardly relevant.  No, you're wrong no matter what.  Either we didn't try and therefore couldn't have failed, or we did try and are succeeding.  But, like I already said, we didn't try.  I still call it success though.  Feels like we proved to the world that Polar's ego is easily bruised.  Oh, and that you're afraid of us.  Proved that too.

  3. New Polar Order Declaration of War

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    LOL... considering that the sig of the NSO emperor has been this one for months:

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    ... I don't even get why Dajobo even felt the need to add Logs that show that which was already obvious and far from being "secret".

    Stop complaining about it if your own Emperor has that sig.

     

    ... Anyway... what happened to Dilber that couldn't create a CB during all these months??? It's one of the worst cases of a writer's block I've seen in a long time.

     

    You wanted Global Warming? Now you have it... enjoy it and don't complain! :nuke: :ehm: :facepalm:

    o/ Polaris
    o/ TOP
    o/ FARK

    Oh, so that's what this war is.  We shall call it "The offensive sig war".  Does your own bloodstained Polar logo sig indicate that you also wish to wage war against Polar?  Too bad, Rayvon's sig gets dibs.

  4. New Polar Order Declaration of War

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    You had the will and sought the means. Waiting till you had the means would be nonsensical.

    I had no idea polar had so much respect for both our ambitiousness and our military strength.  Had we known you were going to attack us with 8 times the NS, I bet we might have tried to form some sort of coalition to wipe you guys out.  Of course, that would be as much a farce on our part as this whole thing is on your part.  At any rate, happy hunting.

  9. A Shangri-La Announcement

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    If NSO used the sanction to forbid to Kaskus the use nukes I'm sad to be the one to give you the notice, but this tactic is outdated since you can switch your resources to uranium and continue to rebuild the nuke stockpile. Nobody knows what future reserves, don't be so sure to say that the sith won't complain, you may ending eating your words.

    This is true, but the financial issues that those nations are already having will have been compounded.  They can change their resources but it will be harder to buy more nukes nonetheless.

     

    And like I said, NSO will not complain if this tactic is used against us.  Like Ray said before, if it is by someone currently not engaging us then we will take it as a hostile act.  Other than that exception, I doubt any of us sees any reason why 5 nations losing trades temporarily will be harmful to us.  Besides, unlike Kaskus, we know when to give in.

  10. A Shangri-La Announcement

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    As I said to Ardus, I have no problem with you fighting them until either you realize that you're wasting your time and white peace is the best option for Kaskus, you and your allies since your smaller nations are the ones paying the price for your arrogance or keep fighting until Kaskus finally bend their knee and accept your surrender terms. Well, I'll criticize you if your terms are too harsh, but otherwise I'll just mock you a bit about the fact that you needed help to deal with them. What I'm totally against here and what I'll continue to criticize is the use of senate sanctions in a alliance war, as I said before it's a pitiful tactic and reeks of desperation.

    Will my criticizes bear fruits? I highly doubt, but as someone said: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." so I'm doing my part. I, nonetheless, eagerly waits for the day that NSO finds itself suffering from senate sanctions and complaining in this very forum about it, karma is a bitch people say and you don't need to look very far to see it's true, just take a look at the global war going on and see DH suffering the same treatment they used to give to others and now that they're in the dead end of it, they're complaining about how it is unfair. Sooner or later the same thing will happen with you, that's why my favorite advice is to not do to others what you don't want to yourself. 

    Once again, it's not arrogance.  I don't see how you can even make that claim, but whatever.

     

    The use of sanctions, to you, might sound like desperation.  The sanctions were more or less to help out our little guys who are up against nukes due to the absolutely demolished upper teirs of Kaskus.  It probably wouldn't have been necessary at all without the NEW aid bomb.  Allies were needed because with the use of nukes at our lower teirs we were at risk of losing many kaskus nations to peace mode while our small nations suffered from anarchy.  This would be counter productive to our "we want to destroy US" stance, as well as, for the time being, wreaking havoc all over his support lines.

     

    Anyway, the sith won't complain if sanctions are used against us.  We're neither the arrogant bastards nor the hypocrites you paint us to be.  It'll hardly matter, in fact, since not only are our members capable of changing colors, but one senator is only allowed 5 sanctions.  I recommend, to whomever wishes to sanction us, that they do choose carefully.  It would be hard to cripple or even harm an alliance with over 100 members .

  11. A Shangri-La Announcement

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    You're good in distort other people words, I'll give you that. First of all, I never said to ignore the past, I said that you can't change the past and consequently should focus in what is more important and in what you can change: the future. You clearly thinks that lose 70% of their NS is not enough, you still want reparations, this is even worse. I also never said that Kaskus shouldn't be held accountable on the contrary I said they were already punished for what they did. You're right just about one thing, I'm dead, after all I'm the death, but not wrong. 

     

     


     

    Well unless your emperor was lying in your DoW, he stated that the whole objective of the war was retrieve US. 

    So your telling me that our anger at them is unjustifable because Kaskus is getting a beat down?  You said yourself that they have yet to be defeated until they surrender themselves.  I'm not twisting your words, you're contradicting yourself.  The longer this goes on, the worse it should be for them.  Our fairest offers came pre-war.

     

    And our emperor was not lying.  We went to get US.  Have we gotten him yet?  Regardless of what you think may or may not be enough, it is up to us to seek satisfaction.  Kaskus was, and still is, jerking us around.  They should by all accounts pay for that.  Once again you underestimate our anger at this situation. 

  12. A Shangri-La Announcement

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    I also never stated that white peace is a fundamental right, I said that in this case Kaskus was punished enough for a somewhat small crime and if NSO is so interested in put a end on this war they should be the bigger man and offer white peace, after all they achieved what they wanted at the beginning of this war: some rounds of war with US and his ZI(they zi'ed him right?). Now if they aren't much worried in end this war, ok for me and for kaskus(I think), but keep the fight a fair one and stop the use of senate sanctions. 

    Oh, I'm beginning to see the problem.  I probably didn't realize this sooner because it seemed obvious to me.  You think all NSO wanted to do was attack Kaskus for a "small crime".  Once again I'll say that your lack of involvement in this situation is what causes you to be wrong.  You see, you clearly underestimate how pissed off we sith are over the circumstances of this war.  You chalk this behavior up to arrogance but in reality it's sheer wrath.

  13. A Shangri-La Announcement

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    My distaste for the sith comes from your actions in this war, if you take a look at the first pages of your DoW you'll see me as a supporter of your cause. You say Kaskus could have avoided this war and that's true, the same way Moldavi could have avoided to create NSO and free us from it's stupidity, talk about how things could had been is pointless, I'm talking about the present and the future, not about things you can't change anymore. By your logic Kaskus is the offender because they don't want to accept the surrender terms you want to give to them?  Give them white peace and I'm sure they will be glad to accept your offer, if not you can count me again as a supporter of your cause. Now why NSO don't want to give them white peace? Because NSO is arrogant, you should look at your past and see your alliance requested the same terms from Legion and they gave it to you because they aren't arrogant or naive to need a admission of defeat to understand that they defeated you(well in that case they defeated you alone and in a fair fight, Legion don't had to call allies and/or use senate sanctions to achieve it).

    The present and the future are out of context without the past, regardless of what could have been.  Ignoring the past does not strengthen your argument, though you clearly have no problems citing it for precendent.

     

    Still, you clearly missed the point altogether.  My logic isn't saying Kaskus is the aggressor for not accepting terms, my logic is that they are the aggressor for allowing the war to exist.  I don't think it's wrong of us to want reparations for the problems they caused us.  I think an apology in these circumstances is perfectly normal.  In fact, that's the whole point of reparations.  Without that, the consequences for having causing us this much trouble are not nearly great enough to discourage it from others in the future.  So, not only does the past not matter to you, but neither does the future.  Your entire argument is wrapped up in the present, an attempt to make it seem like Kaskus shouldn't be held accountable.  After all, how did they wrong us today?  They didn't so we shouldn't be warring them.  In the grand scheme of things, you're dead wrong.

  14. A Shangri-La Announcement

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    Posted · Edited by Pyroman

    My complete lack of involvement as you said make me see the things more clear, things that NSO can't see because the arrogance is blurring your eyes. You say Kaskus has nothing to fight for, but of course they have, they're fighting for what they believe to be a reasonable end for this war. NSO needs to remember that they are who declared war on Kaskus, the fact that NSO had a proper reason for that doesn't change the fact that NSO is who started the war, this is other factor that makes Kaskus not to be considered a rogue, since rogues are those who attack nations and start wars without any cause other than personal vendetta and this isn't the case here. 

     

    You say my opinion doesn't matter and among all the lies you said in your post, incredibly this is the biggest one. Sooner or later you'll discover like GOONS did that OWF opinion does matter a lot. 

     

    Your lack of involvement doesn't make you more objective.  It might have if your blatant distaste for the sith hadn't gotten in the way, though I doubt it.  There is no arrogance in the sith, this is a rather ignorant accusation.  You say that Kaskus is fighting for a reasonable end to the war, but they could have reasonably avoided the war with no bad blood to begin with.  NSO may have the OWF declaration, but to declare war after being wronged is not quite the same thing as declaring war with the intent of wrongdoing.  NSO isn't blood thirsty, but we will do what we have to do.  Kaskus' actions against us and their refusal to resolve it peacably makes them the offender, regardless of who wrote the DoW.  All you could say in their defense is that they're niave, but that's no excuse for imprudence.

     

    Your opinion doesn't matter though.  This, along with the rest of my post, is true.  Your first mistake is that you think the OWF matters to the sith.  Why would we care when all our allies support us?  NSO is a group with strong bonds among our friends.  The wishy-washy OWF and all it's paradoxical opinions can shove it. 

     

    Your second mistake (though admittedly I doubt it was your intent) is that you seem to be making the claim that you speak on behalf of the OWF.  Who was the arrogant one again?

  15. A Shangri-La Announcement

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    Except that Kaskus aren't rogues. 

     

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

     

    Unhappily noboby can repress me.  :smug:

    I like how you claim it's a lie as if the truth you believe in is objectively true despite your complete lack of involvement in the situation (aside from some side show ramblings).  So far their dealings with us have been contrary to any well reasoned course of action.  Sounds rogueish to me.  However, that could be entirely dependent on your point of view.  We think of them as rogues because we see they have nothing to fight for and continue fighting anyway.  You think of them not as rogues because you think they have something to fight for.  But like I said, you have no place in this war, so your opinion doesn't matter.

  19. Worthy and Not worthy

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    [quote name='Salmia' timestamp='1356579303' post='3068281']
    Considering you probably went on during your times and you would have a hard time knowing who is an IRON member, I have hard time believing your criteria of a channel since you don't particularly seem to show any. Timezones differ and activity varies with it. Also, it is holiday time, it is expected for people to be busy with relatives and not answer communications.
    [/quote]
    Wait, did you just respond to this thread seriously? Oh my....

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