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[quote name='LeonidasRexII' timestamp='1320455765' post='2839111'] If push comes to shove 72 hours from now we'll be able to say that The Legion stood up for ourselves and it took [b]Seven[/b] alliances including VE and MK to put us down. That's something I'll definitely be proud of. [/quote] Word.

I can't believe MK and VE actually thought the community would buy into this crap. They must think everybody here is a fool. Glad to see the community's response to this indicates otherwise. The only ones that seem to be sold on this idea are the ones who wrote it.

[quote name='Rafael Nadal' timestamp='1320455038' post='2839093'] Why the failure happens is irrelevant to us in our position. It may be relevant to Legion's pride, but we couldn't care less about Legion's pride. [/quote] No, you only care about the pride of NSO. Regardless of how you try to spin this, we all know the real motive behind it. You screwed up by coming up with this stupid plan, and now you are trying to justify your reasons under false pretenses. Spin it however you like, it is still low. It is also a cowardly way to try to pick a fight.

I will admit one thing... Out of all of the bad propaganda used in this war, this announcement has got to be the worst.

The words I have for this stunt...well I can't say them or i'd be banned from these boards. This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen an alliance threaten to do, and I've seen some pretty stupid things in my nation's life time. Would have just been easier to declare on the Legion, because we all know that is the real motive here. We know those who made the announcement hate the Legion, to be playing it off as "fair" is a stinking joke.

[quote name='LeonidasRexII' timestamp='1320453787' post='2839052'] It's been over a month since the start of the war and VE chose to stay out even though they had a link to Tetris. Why the change of heart, and why try to pull this stunt? You had to know that it wouldn't be received very well from anyone other than your closest friends. [/quote] They want to kick the Legion while it's down. They could have sided with Tetris at any time, but chose to wait until the war was nearly over. Whether this 3 day ultimatum was made or not, this war would have been over within another week or so. Legion's enemies lost and the whole world knows it.

[quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1320453148' post='2839030'] Okay and when telling NSO "just surrender already" doesn't work? Cause here's a hint: It doesn't. 2) Did I say every nation on the planet? We clearly meant MK and VE. I'm sure there are others out there who feel similarly, but I don't speak for them. Hell I'm barely qualified to speak for myself. 3) Nobody appointed us. We decided to do it. The catchphrase around these parts is "If you don't like it do something about it" so why all the crying when we do so? [/quote] Because it is none of your business. The Legion won this war fair and square with no help from allies, and the only purpose of this announcement is to try to deprive them of the victory they deserve. They offered NSO a way out, all they have to do is admit defeat, that is not unreasonable, it is in fact expected in almost every peace agreement that has ever existed to date. [u]Unreasonable[/u], is this threat that this announcement clearly poses to the winners of the war, The Legion.

[quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1320452295' post='2839000'] The only reason this can be construed as anti-Legion is because NSO is so thoroughly overmatched by sheer numbers that any meddling at all is going to look pro-NSO. Given the fact that we're tired of this war as a whole going on, and we will intervene if it doesn't end, what sort of intervention do you feel would be adequately balanced at punishing both alliances rather than just one? [/quote] 1) It was an even and fair war, the other opponents backed down but NSO refused to despite their clear loss. If you want to leave it fair, then leave it alone! It started out as a fair fight and the scales are turning in favor the Legion because the Legion is WINNING. 2) "We" being tired of this war isn't every nation on the planet, just you. Since when do you speak for all nations? 3) Who appointed you judge, jury and executioner? I wasn't aware that two alliances should be punished for going to war with one another. It is not Legion's fault that NSO won't admit to clearly being defeated. That is the only thing holding up the peace process. I believe the only thing you wish to punish the legion for is not allowing this thing to go global...which is quite honorable of the legion actually.

[quote name='Corinan' timestamp='1320452095' post='2838996'] I've been AWOL for a while now. When did MK and VE become the World Police? [/quote] Since it was clear that NSO was going to lose the war.

This announcement is anti-legion and everybody knows it. There are just a few who won't admit it.

[quote]Yes, we're helping NSO by threatening to declare war on them. [/quote] There is nothing left of them to attack and most of their nations are hiding in peace mode. Your helping NSO by coming to their rescue. All they have to do is sit on their hands and refuse any peace offer that comes their way, and they win. This is a joke. If you were helping them, you would let them learn to swallow their pride and accept defeat like any honorable alliance would do. Or even better, pressure THEM to accept the terms that have been offered to them so far. The Legion are acting no different than any other alliance out there would act, they won the war and have the right to dictate terms for peace. You have no right to deprive the clear winners of their prize.

NSO is not going to accept any peace terms now that they know Legion will be rolled in 3 days. Whoever came up with this plan was high on something. Now all NSO has to do is nothing at all. Should have just announced that you were coming to the aid of Tetris and NSO...instead of making this excuse. Knowing NSO, they are crying victory over this nonsense.

[quote name='MisterShadow' timestamp='1320449595' post='2838958'] So lets say hypothetically we offer white peace to Tetris, and NSO on a public forum and then it is rejected you are still going to come after both alliances despite admitting that NSO has lost and white peace is like the nicest thing they could possibly gain. [/quote] I think the "Community" deserves an answer to this.

Planet Bob doesn't need World Police, and quite frankly, this is between The Legion, Tetris and NSO. This is not coming from a Neutral standpoint, its an act against The Legion and everybody knows it. Some people just can't stand or accept the fact that the Legion has won this war.

So in other words, some people need an excuse to escalate this war and help their friends in NSO. The ultimate goal for some people (Those who dislike the Legion and her allies) was to have this war go global, Legion prevented this from happening by fighting fair and won an even fight against several alliances, they are in a position to demand terms for surrender. So now the other side is upset and are going on plan B to try to escalate this war and get their way. Honestly, this isn't for the "Community", I've seen wars ten times this bad, go on for ten times as long and be ten times as difficult to negotiate peace. People need to stay away from affairs that do not concern them. This is all about coming to the aid of NSO and blowing this up into a larger war, the first attempt failed so now we have this. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Kinda off topic but still funny. (Couldn't get the media tags to work) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1d3QWsyk0&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL91F3B07D8769E9B2

[img]http://www.avelegio.net/misc/nsostats.png[/img] [img]http://www.avelegio.net/misc/nsochart.png[/img] Even if they call in help this late in the game, it will only re-enforce the fact that they already lost. The Legion can't even find any more targets, if this isn't victory then I don't know what is.

RV, go back to watching Star Wars...and not just "Revenge of the Sith", try "Return of the Jedi" so you can see how it all ends. Our top level nations can't even find a target because all of those within range are in PM or are just non-existent. Only ones fighting at this point are the lower level nations, because that is all NSO has left. Seriously, your embarrassing your alliance.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1319833524' post='2833898'] Legion- 500k NS lost. NSO- 400k NS lost. Math is hard. [/quote] Look again, if my math is correct: Legion 35.6% loss (Includes all alliances) NSO 55.94%

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1319833276' post='2833889'] [color="#0000FF"]Are you telling me that you will finally be calling in your friends to "make" us surrender? Bring it.[/color] [/quote] Legion already brought it on, look at the NS loss over the past few weeks. All bark and no bite.

A dream world indeed.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1319832715' post='2833875'] [color="#0000FF"]NSO has no intention of bringing this to an end anytime soon.[/color] [/quote] NSO probably won't have a choice.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1319831801' post='2833855'] [color="#0000FF"]First, neither NSO nor Tetris spied on Legion. Nothing has been proved. It is all fantasy by Legion. Secondly, Legion is in no position to demand anything. This war is not being won by Legion, regardless of how they might spin it.[/color] [/quote] Now [i]that's[/i] fantasy. Look at the stats, and look at the proof. Everybody knows the truth, but some just cannot admit to it.

[center][img]http://www.avelegio.net/misc/peaceflag.jpg[/img] Boo Hoo hoo[/center]

Maybe, just maybe, BTA's heart wasn't into it because they KNEW Tetris was in the wrong from the start. As for the Sith, they can hang on to their pride if they like. It is not to die for your alliance, it is to make the enemy die for his. NSO is well on their way to doing just that.