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How did you know they were from Karma? How does one verify an agent of a non-entity? According to the renowned expert of all that is CN, Karma doesn't exist, it is a non-entity. If I were to ask, Why were they there? I am guessing that the answer would be something like "arbitrators". To which I would say, If the Victorious forces are offering white peace, what is there to arbitrate? cause the conversation is gonna go something like this: Losing Alliance) we want to discuss surrender terms Winning Alliance) how about a white peace? Losing Alliance) ok Winning Alliance) ttyl Losing Alliance) l8r The rest of the details, decommission navies, nukes, military etc etc is gonna be cut and pasted from any one of thousands of other surrender notices. The only sticking point is military wonders, and hell if your giving them white peace you aren't likely to make them destroy wonders. that would really harsh their mellow. I believe step 3 needs some revision. Perhaps this is more accurate: Alliances attended Peace Talks overseen by representatives of a non-existent entity and agreed to terms. That is according to your own account above.

I am significant because I will say what a lot of people are thinking, and my concerns are legitimate. Like it or not ...

Everyone? Unhappy? Don't put the spin on the conversation ... back away. If you hadn't noticed the conversation is not focused on your little corner of the world.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=55545 i don't see your name here ... just some Karma "officals".

easy now ... that is an awful lot of questions that the people behind the curtain don't want answered. please see my exchange with Sponge earlier to see how he avoids nailing down any details.

Oddly enough, calling me a loser will get you warned also. Touche monsieur Pu55ycat.

angry ramblings? you want angry ramblings? I asked some pretty straightforward questions because there is a lot of disapproval in private rooms regarding the way this crap is being conducted and who is making these f*cking decisions. Handing out white peace to everyone is bullsh*t. straight up bullsh*t. It has been thus far pretty unclear about who is making the decisions and who is bound to them, and what exactly the direction is that this is going. Not to mention, the perspectives and histories of the people making up these terms and other nonsense is critical to forming an opinion about what/whos agendas are being advanced. Certain people not criticizing this little venture leads me to believe they are backing it, and those people are/were part of the problem. To be perfectly honest ... sacrificing my pixels to advance Sponge and LOLdavi's agenda will provoke a merciless onslaught of whining, never before seen on planet bob. I have been their meatshield before, like many others, and it is my wish to not do it again. If i just got sold down the river, then i need to take that issue up with those that sold me. AND I dont wanna hear that i am whining about infr lost from a 950+ day old nation, with 230k casualties, who is currently fighting one war. Stick that bullsh*t right back where it came from. This has nothing to do with my infra and tech lost, and everything to do with why this is going the way it is. With all due respect, of course. EDIT: Where did I say that Archon started this war?

so that's the answer? All those nations, every single one, is authorizing and supporting the karma edicts? I never said I had some issue with who was delivering the message, I am only interested in who is behind them, and bound to them.

Its the same question ... that everyone seems to be avoiding. Who are they? Which alliances are part of this coalition? Which alliances are bound by the edicts set forth by Karma?

Karma is no one? Nothing? Don't exist? How can this be true, where is the source of their power? How can no one, something which does not exist set terms of surrender, and publish decrees of all sorts?

Thus the original questions, who are they? What are they? Why are they? The answers seem to be alluding us. Since you are the premier expert in the field of CN politics, instead of avoiding the questions, why not face them head on? Tell us oh great god of CN, lord of the pixel, master of the random number generator which is the war system. Enlighten us with your infinite f*ckin wisdom. Baffle us with the truths of the universe. Teach us the way of the forum warrior. We yearn for your brilliance. Please shine it upon us.

don't put words into my mouth .. clearly i cannot defend alliances or nations that i am not even sure exist.

Which alliances are those Captain Obvious?. The ones behind the curtain ...

if you read my original post, it might become more clear. What is the definition of Karma as it is used in these terms of surrender. what is a "karma nation" ... people keep using this Karma name, and Archon keeps posting decrees and surrender terms for all of the nations at war with Karma, and even those who are not Karma nations. What the f*ck gives Karma or Archon the right to infringe upon the sovereignty of other alliances?

Yes, it matters a great deal. Spend less time trying to keep the man behind the curtain, behind the curtain. It is going to backfire ... right now it looks like 4 or 5 guys are using their alliances to strong arm people into doing what they want. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Say, How do we know if we are a fellow Karma nation? Am I getting a secret decoder ring?

Seems to me that Zenith declared on PC, not Karma. So why Karma is deciding terms is quite puzzling. And why is Karma's name is first on that list of alliances, when Karma isn't an alliance, is it? Alas, having to speculate on things that should be more transparent is so tedious ... "Any member who left during the time of war will be free to go where they please once the conflict is over, as long as it is not an alliance that is at war with Karma" NADC and Zenith, was "Karma" ever defined for you? Kinda seems as if Karma can be anything it needs to be, as I haven't seen it defined anywhere.

It's like rain on your wedding day ...

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Karma, just like vox, but warm and fuzzy and filled with hate.

Let me be the first to welcome you to ruin! Have a seat, there is cake. TPF, why are you throwing them under the bus?

Not that there is anything wrong with that .... err, wait ...

but kilkenny knew he was a spy, so if you willingly give a spy information, is it really spying?

I think you need some help with that control ...

I think the problem is that you don't know who he is. You might want to ask around, someone else might be able to clue you in.