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2 minutes ago, white majik said:
Yet again you seem to not understand that people who lose don't get to dictate terms.
They get as much say as they've got the backbone to keep pushing until they get terms they find acceptable. This idea we were 'sposda run around setting loose a nation that joined an alliance strictly to hit one of us while we're engaged in a wider war is just dopey as all get out and it will continue to be.
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You went rogue. You deserved further terms for going rogue. That's the whole story. I have no idea what circlejerk you were a part of years ago and I don't make it my business to find out.
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To be fair, DoorNail refused surrender, no reentry on behalf of lord only knows whom.
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"not white peace" = "reps" is a false equivalency in any case. It really doesn't matter if Caliph is this holy being that's never partaken in the wider aspects of CN terms. Even the most "moral" of alliances here post karma usually had loopholes in their rules for terms for things like bandwagoners, rogues, or alliances that start aggressive wars against them for lame reasons.
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There's some really dopey assumptions being made here tbh. The glaring one is just because an alliance that has expressed no interest in peace isn't being offered white peace means that the intent is to charge them reps. Or that a peace other than white peace automatically equals reps. It's all coming off as emotional and not terribly grounded in anything the world the rest of us have been in since Karma has had to offer.
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Were you involved in some special wars no one else was, or were you a hippy the entire time?
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Ok let's just go through the big ones.
Bipolar - ended with a ton of reps
PB-NpO/DH-NPO - definitely did not end in white peace. NpO was made to adhere to aid restrictions for a period of one month. TOOL were forced to pay 26000 tech. NPO and a bunch of its allies were slapped with a whole bunch of terms, including reps, extended war, and a 6 month ODP between DH and NPO. DT were forced to pay a big pile of reps.
Grudge War- reps were charged.
Dave War - MCXA was given terms that included extended war for some of its nations.
Equilibrium War - terms essentially amounted to white peace only because the winning coalition fell apart when some attempted to impose extended war terms on Umbrella
Disorder War - NPO were forced to adhere to aid restrictions for nations that were in peace mode.
Doom War - Probably mostly resulted in white peace, someone that lost will be along shortly to tell me that's wrong I'm sure.
That's arguably 2 out of 7. Not most by a longshot. Maybe you can go through and find all the micro wars that support your statement, but I doubt it.
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What years are you even talking about? The only war I can even think of that was all white peace was Eq and that was more due to stalemate than some glorious surge of morality.
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1 hour ago, magicninja said:
It think we have a triple optional treaty with TSC...... I've been begging for war for months. Maybe I can get GATO to declare on Auctor for fun and bring CnG too just so we can really cluster$%&@ everything...
Nah....
Move fast - I'm at low nukes right now.
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How very dare Oculus pursue war alliances it is at war with and refuse any kind of acceptable peace!
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20 minutes ago, Alexio15 said:
That narrative drops dead when alliances in this game stop using it. So don't play that card as you ourself said you use it. Extend the day needed to others to use it as well. But that must have been so hard to wait a day and get the member or the conclusion you needed.
We did wait a day. Turns out it was a day longer than we should have bothered to wait and TSC had their minds made up already.
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The comparisons to FAN and \m/ are amusing as all get out. Are you ok Caliph?
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10 hours ago, Caliph said:
Well that would be silly. You haven't attacked any DBDC allies yet. Allies of DBDC allies, yes, but not direct DBDC allies because most of the remaining DBDC allies are in Oculus. There is no ill will to Oculus in DBDC, so for a war to break out between Oculus and DBDC it would have to be initiated by Oculus. And to be honest, you have the stats to defeat DBDC if you wanted to.
DBDC, and the rest of the non Oculus alliances left's, upper tiers only exist if you want them to. That includes DBDC.
That doesn't answer my question at all. Go back and try again?
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Oh I didn't mean just you. Haflinger seems to want us to attack them.
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What does LC have against DBDC, anyway?
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4 hours ago, Alexio15 said:
From what I can gather a vote was taking place to try and decide what to do. Hard to get stuff accomplished with 5 hours on the clock.
We held a vote on being at war with SPaTR and MONGOLS 5 months ago. Everyone has to respect votes!
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TSC's commitment to democracy didn't extend to things like accepting nations at war with us or subsequently declaring war on us, so that narrative can drop dead.
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36 minutes ago, eejack said:
Is simple. Not allies with Sengoku means open target. You can put all the blah blah blah around it you want, imagine all sorts of intents and manifestations, infer vicious threats abounding, yet it is simple. Sengoku is the current wee bully with the big friends. It will change eventually, as these things often do, but until then, enjoy the ride.
You're trying too hard.
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Actually pursuing wars with nations you are at war with is what decent alliances do. Are we a bit remiss in not keeping him staggered? sure. It doesn't materially change the fact of him being an enemy nation and TSC apparently protecting him. We hit only the nation we are at war with. TSC chose to escalate it.
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6 hours ago, Alex0827a said:
To clarify, I expressed a desire for war. Me, personally, not TSC as a whole. As I said on irc last night, we likely would have come to some agreement or other had Sengoku not attacked before giving us time to discuss. Given the timing of the attack, it seems apparent that diplomacy was not Sengoku's goal at all. You guys have been around long enough to know that attacking someone while actually working to reach an agreement is very poor diplomacy. By doing this, you pretty much forced a reaction, rather than a solution.
Accepting a nation at war with an alliance is terrible diplomacy. Protecting them is an act of war. If your goal had just been to bandwagon into a five month old aggressive war against us(as it seems), you couldn't have handled it better.
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7 minutes ago, Steve Buscemi said:
I believe the Sengoku-Sengoku treaty is just a PIAT so I don't recognize your treaty activation here.
It's paperless. I highly advise Non Grata avoid telling people what they can and can't do with their paperless treaties or there will be consequences in the future. Maybe not today and maybe not ever, but karma is unstoppable.
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Quite honestly, as a community we have this stupid discussion about nonwhite peace terms and how they're only comparable to prekarma hegemony terms every single war. Given that things have degenerated to the point that "exit the war and don't continue to attack us for the rest of the war" is considered abusive, it's a bit difficult not to see this slope as having been a little too slippery.
That said, everyone has either played a part in enforcing nonwhite peace terms, or has supported imposing them and wasn't able to follow through, or is a wuss at this point.
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1 hour ago, rileyaddaff said:
Why dont you guys start declaring on AAs that have a decent top tier?
Yeah TSC. Get your crap together.
wtf just happened here
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2 minutes ago, Morphine said:
Now this is just asinine. This could've been resolved diplomatically
Absolutely, it could have. It's unfortunate that TSC chose not to take that route and that AGW-O supports them.
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