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From what can be seen from outside you did a good work, Z'ha'dum.
Congratulations to you and to all the Legion (and NPO) members that helped you with this task.
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No, the OP actually supported him:
Although he "apologized", he still supported ComradeVader. ComradeVader feels important now, and this thread simply motivates him to do more. In my opinion (although the MCXA supports their allies in this war) it is a shame that Wolfpack lost some parts of their Forums. The Continuum stands for fairness, and we like fair fights, destroying other Forums is something I consider as being unfair. What ComradeVader did is simply unacceptable and it doesn't deserve a lol or a haha.
If he had done it with NPO or IRON no one would have laughed.
I completely agree with this post.
As a reminder:
Aiding Rule ViolatorsAny user found to know of a serious rule violation without reporting it to a game moderator (eg. knowledge of a user with multiple nations) will be given a warning or, in more serious cases, have their nation deleted.
Aiding Banned Players
Any user found to be harbouring, aiding or otherwise knowingly helping a banned user will be deleted. This includes knowing of their existence within the game without reporting it to the game-moderation staff.
While I not mean that the OP aided "banned user", glorifying him surely goes against the very spirit of this game's rules (not to mention some RL moral aspect...)
This thread should be titled "New lows of banned member" and many posters should think twice before they laugh at fellow players that suffered this sort of scam.
Just my .02.
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[...] Wolfpack officials deny these claims, yet lack the military force to adequately deny the truth of the matter.
I now wants eat one 10 kgs each metaphors.
[...] incompetent militarily they are[...]Is the purpose of this to call the Wolfpack "militarily incompetent" because they can't fight the Continuum?
Also, I agree that this well and richly informed, kind and constructive opinion of yours required a thread of its own.
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Actually I believe if this thread has demonstrated anything it is that this analogy doesn't apply to anything because it is a horrible analogy.
This thread demonstrated that many people think the analogy applies to the Continuum vs GPA war. But, they think it badly applies to it...
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long post
Very well written.
You tried to read in Mongo's mind and I'm not sure that was a good idea. Maybe he's not giving up and - even if he deletes - we can't know that it's not to come back and continue his plans on another path. The fact that you (and me) wouldn't do it that way doesn't mean that it's the wrong way. However, I don't want to join you in reading in Mongo's mind (I'm not good at that magic).
Also, I was not talking of Chef, but of your choice of words. I have no reasons to think that Mongo is brave, but I also think that you still don't have ground to call him coward.
And now I'll stop derailing this thread
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Because it hides nukes that IRON doesn't want to possibly be used on any of they're nations?
"What's the problem with" policing that point, not "what's the problem with" the HNS.
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edit: If a mod could make the capital "o" in the title lower case that would be swell.
OOC: ask a Mod: they tend to help if you ask nicely... *cough cough*
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None of them were from Wolfpack.
They changed their AA after they were attacked. Just check their War screens!
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* Destroy Hidden Nuclear Silo's
Just wondering how you're going to police this?
What's the problem with that? the HNS isn't really hidden (you can see if a Nation has one).
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These are very nice and mercyful Surrender Terms and I encourage the Wolfpack Nations to accept them ASAP.
It doesn't make sense to continue fighting and will make you look like you supported the spying that caused the war (I'm not saying that you would necessarily mean to support it, but this is the way many will see it).
In the interest of peace, I renew my encouragement to accept these Surrender Terms.
Also, for
DM :
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So...
Nuking two people who don't have nukes themselves isn't cowardly? Don't get me wrong we knew the risks, and as you can see i'm totally cool with getting nuked. I share that sentiment with Argin as well. However, to say that taking a war nuclear with someone who can only do, and has only done, conventional attacks...I would say that is probably the exact definatition of cowardice.
Blimey, not!
Just a random - but good - definition of cowardice[1] (from the free dictionary):
"Ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain."So, nuking your extremely powerful opponents (the Alliance, not the single Nations), and taking the risk of being ZI-ed (or otherwise harshly "punished") doesn't classify under having "fear in the face of danger". Quite the opposite.
You may argue that it's unfair, and not sportsmanlike to use weapons your opponent hasn't access to, anyway it could be easily retorted that:
- War isn't nice. If you want only nice things don't go to war.
- The current attack against Wolfpack isn't anywhere near to "fair" or "sportsmanlike", considering the power of the attackers. So the "fair" argument probably can't be used against Mongo/nemohano.
By the way, I disagree that Mongo/nemohano were justified in nuking for being "dogpiled" and in a desperate position. They're fighting three opponents that are (on average) fighting two opponents each, so it's a bad situation but not "desperate". (It's desperate for Wolfpack but not for Mongo/nemohano individually - not yet).
Also:
- I agree that Mongo/nemohano should have not nuked: [iC] Nukes are bad because they cause mass destruction [/iC] and it wasn't an intelligent move either (as others already said).
- I support the fight against Wolfpack, as AHEAD already stated in the IRON's DoW thread.
- I also believe that Nukes may be a legit part of the game, but also that the VE has the right to "discourage" its present and future opponents to nuke them, with any policy they wish.
What I disagree on, is a casual and faulty use of words. Calling "coward" an opponent that clearly isn't coward is not the way to go. There is plenty of reason and ways to make PR against Wolfpack, I really don't see the need to "invent" imaginary accusations.
May I add that I like VE?
Notes:
[1] If you don't agree with this definition, please explain why, and cite a source.
- War isn't nice. If you want only nice things don't go to war.
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I missed the part when (in CN) the Lamb protested its innocence. Could you please help me?
This is a good point.
I was actually asking a question, not making a point. But whatever.
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Nuking is cowardly [...]
Why?
I'd say that firing your nukes knowing that this will earn you harsh punishment can be called in many ways, but not "cowardly".
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Once upon a time a Wolf was lapping at a spring on a hillside, when, looking up, what should he see but a Lamb just beginning to drink a little lower down. "There's my supper," thought he, "if only I can find some excuse to seize it." Then he called out to the Lamb, "How dare you muddle the water from which I am drinking?"
"Nay, master, nay," said Lambikin; "if the water be muddy up there, I cannot be the cause of it, for it runs down from you to me."
"Well, then," said the Wolf, "why did you call me bad names this time last year?"
"That cannot be," said the Lamb; "I am only six months old."
"I don't care," snarled the Wolf; "if it was not you it was your father;" and with that he rushed upon the poor little Lamb and ate her all up. But before she died she gasped out:
"Any excuse will serve a tyrant."
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The Wolf and the Lamb Fable written aprox. 620 - 560 BC (over 2500 years old!)
An Aesop's Fable
I missed the part when (in CN) the Lamb protested its innocence. Could you please help me?
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AHEAD officially supports our Protector IRON in this affair.
While loving peace, and while hoping the many innocent Wolfpack Nations can soon get peace, we also hope that the Wolfpack members that were guilty of these many offences get punished, and "definitively discouraged" from ever attempting this again.
:wub: I.R.O.N. :wub:
Wolfpack Also: DM = wow!!!
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I'm proud enough of my work to want to show here the AHEAD flag, as a good example of a CN flag:
- It's simple enough, with a few elements that can be easily remembered: the four quadrants, the shield, the dove.
- The flag symbols and colours are meaningful: Orange because AHEAD is "primarily" an Orange Alliance, and White because other colours are allowed (and widely used); White also because it represents Peace. The four Quadrants were chosen to recall a GPA flag that is used on a site of theirs, and part of the idea of AHEAD was inspired by looking at the GPA; the Shield is for Protection, the Dove is for Peace.
- Orange and White have an excellent contrast.
- No lettering on our flag (ok).
- The flag is distinctive and unlike anything else (in CN or RL).
- Despite the dove and the curved lines, the flag is still realistic: it could be reproduced in large quantities without being too expensive.
Also, the Dove is in canton, because Peace is the primary value of AHEAD.
- It's simple enough, with a few elements that can be easily remembered: the four quadrants, the shield, the dove.
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An "Alliance" that basically acts and is like the United Nations. Alliances come to talk and discuss new ideas, events, etc. This can be a forum on the OWF or an actual player created alliance. If this has already been created, or people consider this idea as the open world forum, please politely say "This has already been created" there is no need to be immature and the making of snide comments.
If this has not been created. The conversations would take place like the IRC or Instant Messenger which delegates from a designated alliance discuss whatever needs to be discussed. If alliances signed up to be in it, they would have the benefit of mutual defense from all the alliances in the CNAU. Offhand I do not know much about the policies of the UN but I'm sure we could figure it out.
Like above please don't flame and act mature.
Edit: This might be like the Continuum or something like that. But the option of joining, would be available to all alliances from ALL backgrounds.
This is a good idea that would add much to the game, that has been proposed/tried a few times and never took off until now. So, nobody knows if it would work.
I'd say "go for it", if you really believe in it (something that isn't likely, considering the submissive way you posted about it).
Also, don't believe to all this people that claim it will not work or should not work. First, they may hold power today but this doesn't in any way imply they will continue to hold it forever. Second, they themselves seized power trying new things and daring, not being just content of what others were saying was possible or not...
Tl;dr: of course it could work. Don't listen too much to the crowd. Good luck.
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This is simply simply simply awesome awesome awesome.
Congratulations I.R.O.N. - Congratulations V.E.
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I'm not sure of what I think of the "Why does it matter?" section, but I quite approve the remaining.
Maybe there's hope that there's hope for you, The Scholar (this is much better than your usual standard).
Well done.
(Also, I don't get people that say it's obvious/boring/irrelevant and still post and comment about it, in a disruptive manner. If you're not interested, just go away...)
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OOC: enough.
IC: the IRC SOM-HoT affair was made public nine days after the events, and has been used by Valhalla to prove - after the facts - that their aggression is correct. This is what noWedge said:
The following are logs and screenshots of the current GPA president. He is proving just why we are entirely correct for taking our current action. No longer can GPA be considered neutral in CN. The alliance, now lead by /b/, cannot be trusted.[...]
It is only just starting to become clear just how deep the issues in GPA run.
Apart from pointing to the evidence that SOM didn't specify what he was claiming he would have done, and to whom, I for now decline to comment on the use and interpretation of these logs. Probably I will never comment on them anymore, as the "incident" started as a very silly thing and with time became more and more stupid and incredible.
Anyway the GPA problems have nothing to do with the logs or with the GPA government "playing politicians" on the OWF. Nothing.
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Congratulations for the new charter!
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@ Jerdge,
Also OOC, it's not usually the .gov that makes a stink. I am employed by a private corp that contracts to the gov, and have a high level security clearance. There are plenty of people with my knowledge, skills, and abilities in the local metro area, so anyone with the appearance of corruptability or compromiseability will simply be let go. The corp willl then notify the gov (who issued the clearance) that the person was let go for suspected whatever, and a re-certification investigation will be triggered automatically. this then moves at the speed of bureauracracy, so your clearance will be suspended for 6 months or so and no employer will touch you while the feds are investigating. it's simply the reality of the situation.
Also OOC, all of this because in an on-line game you are in the same "alliance" with a guy that doesn't hold his mouth and raves about something against someone, not specifying what and who? And, you're like 800+ members? And, nobody can associate you with any compromised IP/other technical trackable system, nor with actual illegal activity? (I.e., you did nothing).
Is this "appearance of compromiseability"? I feel sick and sad for the US then.
By the way, if you sing in a chorus and another singer is accused of maybe having vaguely threatened unspecified people, do you actually risk losing your job?... o.O
Edit: typo.
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He had always AA "none" whenever I looked upon his nation, and I did watch him closely at the time..
In fact, I wasn't checking him at the time, and that's the reason I wrote that I believe(ed) he was using the AA. Thanks for this piece of information.
Maybe he just changed it, just a few seconds before I viewed his nation? And changed it to GPA whenever somebody else viewed his nation?:lol:
Well I can turn this around as well, they could just have came into the GPA channel and said, hey we heared (or have seen) Swampy is an affiliate, we got a hugh problem with that... In this case the answer would simply have been, "oh we kicked him already yesterday, nevermind." And if it wouldn't have ben done alredy, it would just have been done on request.This has worked with others many times before, whenever nobody was looking to find a casus belli.
Indeed the Continuum could have had the behaviour you suggest. However, this doesn't change the fact that, also because of the recent climate of "hate" against the GPA, it would have been a good idea to have an active attitude and to make sure they made all the feasible to help the easening of the situation (or, at least, to avoid another possible cause of trouble).
I wasn't however trying to say that the GPA was at that big fault there. You may notice that I was talking of "The Continuum's version".
Explaining what the Continuum said and stating that one agrees with that point of view are two very different things.
I'm busy with many things and I have not yet sorted everything about my official position over the war (and the CB), so please excuse me if I decline to comment on the behaviour the Continuum had over this matter. In due time my position should be made public (not that it will be of any political "relevance", anyway
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Failed to notify he was kicked out? IMHO there was no legit way, they could know he was short termed in affiliate first place... How should I notify somebody about a problem due to internal measurements has been resolved already, he shouldn't know about first place?
A GPA Affiliate is authorized to use the Green Protection Agency Alliance Affiliation, and Lord Swampy rightfully used it at first (I believe). Then Swampy was kicked out, due to the fact that the GPA Ministry of Internal Affairs learnt of his being on the NPO enemies list (and given that Swampy didn't mention that "little problem" when applying...)
When Swampy had been kicked out (several days before the DoWs, by the way), he was technically a ghost. However, uncertainty about his status could have been an issue [/understatement], as it could have been known that he's been accepted as Affiliate at first. Specifically, the NPO could know he has been an Affiliate, and could have not known that he's been kicked out. Therefore, it would have been a good idea for the GPA to tell the NPO "Hey, mind that Swampy is ghosting our AA. By the way, we hope you're all well?" (Or something like that.)
This would have been a smart move, and - though I'm not an expert of the GPA Law technicalities - I guess it's hardly illegal to tell the NPO that an enemy of theirs is ghosting your AA, has been examined for membership and then kicked, without having been ever admitted in.
If it was illegal to inform the NPO (or any other Alliance) of this, I strongly believe that the GPA Law needed to be amended in this regard...
Or, maybe I didn't understand your objection, fuzzycat (I admit I had to read it more than one time, and I'm still uncertain about what you were meaning with it - I'm not English native and this may explain why I didn't understand).
Edit: Capitalizing "English".
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Public Apology
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I forgive you and your actions (it's easy, since you never harmed me).
The only action of yours I don't forgive (yet) is that you post without paragraphs.
Please use them, thanks.
Cheers,
President jerdge.
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