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Problems citing examples of CnG and NpO are that several of the Karma alliances themselves were significantly involved in terms along with NPO.

If one is going to put blame on NPO, it is only appropriate than NPO be blamed for its part and the others for theirs.

The involved Karma alliances also happen to contribute the important and critical firepower, without these alliances, Karma would have been curbstomped.

I assume you mean VE and friends as your example towards CnG. It has been stated numerous times, and is very true, that they were going to give us white peace but NPO stepped in and forced them to give us terms. At least one of them, TORN I think, waived it's terms eventually.

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Ah Bob, always the moral crusader until you think it's you who has the power. The Order never imposed EZI, viceroys or disbandment on alliances entering to fulfil obligations either. And in fact most peripheral alliances in wars such as this gained a white peace.

And Common Sense? Poor man's excuse for intellectual laziness -- 'I'm right because I'm right'. Still, easier than actually justifying your position, I suppose, as shown in the article.

You mean like the terms that were given to CnG? Yes, you have often given wonderfully light terms to those who simply enter to fulfill their agreements. TDSM8 died under those terms and the rest of CnG had to give up ungodly amounts of tech and freedom to execute them. What did they do besides fulfill their obligations?

As Janova said, when Karma brings in EZI, viceroys, or disbandment against their foes then you will have ammunition. So far the only terms were minor payments of tech. I believe I remember reading that MCXA's tech payment was around 5% of their tech (I have not done the math myself, it could but more but it is certainly not much of it). CnG alliances all had far higher percentages. TDSM8's was more than it had in the alliance at the time of surrender.

Much of Karma has never stood for white peace, though a few have and quite vocally. We have stood for reasonable terms. All that has been presented are reasonable terms.

EDIT: Also Vladimir, it was fun fighting you. Thank you for destroying so much of my excess property, it quite got in the way of my view.