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[quote name='nishiyoshi' timestamp='1358045557' post='3075723']
I am very glad you are taking this matter so seriously and have taken the time to post. Mental health is nothing to be trolled or made fun of. It is a very serious issue that according to the National Institute of Health affects over 1 out of every 4 people. Statistically speaking, there is a 75% chance that Bernkastel does not have a mental health issue, but looking at the actions seems to lead me to believe that the 25% is not out of the realm of possibility.
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Its unfortunate that the nation of Kapon has these unfortunate issues. I wish them well in their medical and therapeutic advances to help the mentally ill.

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[quote name='Swatch0' timestamp='1357951048' post='3075089']
You don't need to negotiate, sentence has been stated. You are getting only what you deserve, why negotiate?
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I'm getting what didn't have a single breath of my opinion in it, naturally I am fighting these terms. I'm furious that my fate was decided by two people behind closed doors one by a supposed friend who couldn't or didn't want to spend political capital on a frivolous affair like this and the other by a person who can't stand by their word because his membership doesn't support him on anything. These terms are too harsh. Heck I had less terms when I actually attacked someone and went rogue and did actual damage. I haven't done any of the sort here, I returned everything and my offer is in their hands and are highly reasonable if not generous (which is in their PM box here). I think it's worth exploring.

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[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357919558' post='3074779']
That is what we have had to deal with. Like I say in the topic title. Why do I bother.
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What, $1 and smug satisfaction (which is priceless) isn't progress in our negotiations?

I'm open to returning to the table with a fresh start on terms that I will have an actual say in. We can at least do that.

[INT announcement]

Things are looking up already for you NEW. Nothing of value has been lost here. Congrats.

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[quote name='Muddog' timestamp='1357904710' post='3074719']
You still poking tiger bern? Any chance either party would consider renegotiating the terms?
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I'm willing to nudge a little to show I can be a reasonable person.

$1 with the smug satisfaction that they get something out of me after adamantly saying they would get nothing.

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[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357903807' post='3074715']
there is more than that, lots of people are just active in game.
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Yeah, a whole 17 people out (3 of whom left) of 65 filled out that war chest survey. That's double the forum activity though so I guess you do have some point to that. But still, 2/3rd of your alliance not taking part in a war chest survey doesn't exactly give you much to go on.

Edit~ It was actually around 15 people, my bad. Had to go look.

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[quote name='nishiyoshi' timestamp='1357888883' post='3074661']
There are plenty of things that are 'supposed' to happen. You were 'supposed' to let yourself burn as a martyr, but are hanging out in PM. You are well respected by enough people that there are people more than willing to pay a token fee for your freedom. The very principles you are claiming to uphold, you are stomping all over and spitting on. I would have definitely respected your decision to burn for the sake of principle (even though your ZI would be as meaningless as the reps that others have offered to pay), but now have no respect for you hiding out in PM.

This is all just for the sake of posterity and to not let bad precedents get set. Which is worse? Letting people think they can coup whenever they want for 'lolz'? Or showing weakness by admitting to a mistake and then publically correcting and getting hammered over it?
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I'm a very careful person so I like to calculate what the best course of action can or will be. Staying in peace mode was by far the cheapest option. If someone wanted to rebuild me, it would take approximately far more than some of you think to build me back to where I am completely and I wouldn't accept any less than what is necessary. It would also not be in my best interests to go to war on GPF as that would be $2-4mil a day in varied expenses. Unfortunately, as much as I don't like to run away from my fights, I'm more conscious of what the best option is and it's simply not anything but being in peace mode.

Maybe it all is for the sake of posterity. I admitted my mistake and gave back everything peacefully but an even greater tragedy is at work here. An alliance leader's absolute word and law isn't absolute and isn't law. He went back on his pardon. His word is useless and so is GPF's democratically elected government. It's all about the seven or eight active people out of 60-something. Woo boy.

[A Statement from BFF]

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1357862941' post='3074241']
Selling out a MDAP ally is now respectable? Well that's a new one.

You ride together, you die together..... For better or worse. That's the whole point of MDAPs... it's a suicide pact.
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The BFF I know and am familiar with would have stuck by its bonds of blood. BFF as a block would stand together no matter the consequences and keep their other allies out, just as they have in the past before. It's a shame BFF the alliance is not the same as the bloc. It's a real shame. I have to feel bad for NEW especially after all NEW did for BFF the alliance and the bloc. It's a shame you have to be paid back with disloyalty for your unyielding loyalty.

Blood For Friends*
*exclusions may apply.

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[quote name='Lurunin' timestamp='1357862010' post='3074228']
That's the problem with democracies, the democratic process can overturn any and all decisions no matter how final you think they may be.

Democracy prevailed in this occasion, good or bad. Regardless of what Mark decided, he was overruled
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They should remove his power then because in the face of democracy, he cannot win. Might as well remove the government too.

Democracy is horribly overrated and leads to awful decisions in good places.

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[quote name='Lurunin' timestamp='1357854572' post='3074107']
You are 3k NS...you have a whole alliance and other people willing to pay off the reps for you or you could have converted it to tech deals. Or you could just take the war, have some fun fighting and then a single 3mil aid package would build you back up to current standing. It's literally rediculous how this is all playing out.
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It doesn't matter. If I was 500 NS I would still hold to this. If I were 50,000 - same thing. I (nor anyone who respects my wish) should not have to pay reps or do something ridiculous and dumb. I've been pardoned, simply put and Mark should be a man of his word but it's become apparent he is not now. Everyone was supposed to walk away peacefully and put it all behind us and move on to a bright future.

[A Statement from BFF]

This makes me incredibly sad even though it was to be expected. Good luck NEW. You guys are awesome and amazing.

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[quote name='Birdman' timestamp='1357841670' post='3073990']
I do not think this guy is comming out of PM anytime soon...
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I'll be chilling in peace mode permanently. I don't mind having what amounts to pretty much a permanent ZI on me.

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[quote name='Cress' timestamp='1357836459' post='3073944']
Unless your a fellow member or ally we particularly don't care of your opinion on our business.

To Bern: Irule is in peace mode and deleting hence why we aren't hitting him too. Also don't try and play all innocent not only did you coup you sent orders for our members to attack an ally. Joke coup or not you disrespected the choice of the members.
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I wasn't aware the opinion of maybe ten people (might be a slight overestimate) out of sixty something people constituted the opinion of the alliance. I don't think 1/6th of the alliance constitutes an opinion of the entire alliance. Entire ACTIVE alliance maybe but not the entire alliance. And the members have disrespected Mark's opinions and wishes enough to go back on his word. I think GPF needs to seriously look at how completely incompetent and ineffective its government is. It's just becoming more apparently by each day that passes.

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[quote name='nishiyoshi' timestamp='1357805694' post='3073746']
Timeline of events:
Coup leader states, "Just for lolz! Will be stepping down soon. Glad GPF got message about being more Democracy-based, etc."
Coup leader applauds getting 15 seconds of fame, while not taking a scratch, but gives warning about retribution (???).
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These two events couldn't be interpreted more wrong. You and the rest of the world are under the assumption I am the so called coup leader. I am not. The coup leader is the one who posted the official announcement and he is getting away with it all. He was planning to do this the moment they gave him the okay to fix the awards system on the forums but it just so happened I got to work on my military reforms first. The reason for the coup was that GPF gov was never active and decisions could never be made. They had outdated member lists, weak warchest requirements and that's just scratching the surface on the IA/Mil problems. I just wanted to make a few small changes for GPF's better and nobody could get anywhere because nobody was on anywhere.

As a co-conspirator (I don't deny my involvement) to this insanely amateurish coup, I did it for the LOLs. That's why I didn't ban anyone (and some did want me to ban former gov) except give Chaos a timeout and why I didn't make a fuss about handing everything back over (I even played Ronjoy's little game). I guess peaceful resolutions are a waste of time. But hey, Mark and GPF can't get the real person behind the amateur coup so they have to settle for another guy. My 15 seconds of fame have come and gone long ago and it wasn't wasted on this silly stuff. I never at any point threatened retribution, it would have been counterproductive to my walking away without a fight and I wasn't seek a fight or retribution ever. I was granted a pardon and I walked away without any sort of fight. That's just the simple fact. But hey, being allied to GPF you don't care about what I say. I'm just talking to a brick wall.

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[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357785451' post='3073530']
valid questions Bern brought it upon himself I pardoned him yes . It was not I who started off the whole reps thing. If you look at one of my earlier posts with logs you will see that I was approached on behalf of Bern to pay reps. In reality he should have known to expect them. Otheir collaborators were expecting them. The pardon was from war and destroyal. Yes now it looks like I am going back on my word but when his negotiating representative took back the deal he refused to pay anything. He actually welcomed zi and war even when I tried to negotiate and I hope that Bern will be a man and state that this is true otherwise it will just be revealed in s few hours time when I am back on my pc. And I show the logs.
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I had no knowledge of Chax or any BFF gov negotiating without me and letting me know until after the fact. I should have been in the room or they should have waited. When I received the ingame message from Chax about him getting me peace, I was perplexed. I had already been given peace through the pardon you approved. What could it have been about. It's been bugging me ever since. This is my fate on the line and I wasn't consulted with every single detail, big or small. That's why that log comes as such a surprise and immense disappointment. The pardon had no strings attached, period. You don't seem to get that. The argument I made in those IRC logs are the same exact argument I've made here,. The only solution is no reps and no consequences. I'm tempted to add a public apology for not keeping your word.

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[quote name='Muddog' timestamp='1357782770' post='3073511']
Mate I'm not gonna let you sit in peace mode on an AA by yourself because you can't go anywhere else. Standing by your principle is one thing, and I understand why your doing it, but one person going back on their word isn't worth the headache
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Please respect my wishes on this Muddog. I appreciate it. I really do.

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[quote name='Muddog' timestamp='1357781271' post='3073498']
If the interested parties of GPF will contact me with the nations and destination of the 15 mil and comic, I'll pass those along.
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You don't have to do this and I would prefer that you don't.

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[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357772076' post='3073402']
Ok what happened.

Ernesto came as a representative of Bern to commence negotiations. If you don't believe me look at logs.

http://pastebin.com/DqhAh0sw

It is all shown in here.
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I was awfully curious about where the terms came from. Thank you so much for this Mark.

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[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357771776' post='3073399']
i did not break my word. A representative came to GPF and asked about reps so this whole business could all be over. We agreed to negotatitions which tbh came to a conclusion that you were to pay minimum reps.

If logs are required please ask and i will deliver.
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Logs aren't required. As Secretary-General, your word is law. It even says so in the Charter, not unless every single triumvirate doesn't respect your wishes or your word, then I'd say you have problems there. That's why I trusted your word. Your pardon was the end of the line and it should have ended there and we all go our separate ways.

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[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357771246' post='3073392']
This was due to the backlash i received from an unhappy membership. Surely you understand this and now just want to cause us a load of un needed stress. And also where does it say unconditional
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It didn't have any conditions or strings attached to it to obtain the pardon as far as I can tell or read, nor did our private conversation have any strings attached before the handover. I handed over everything peacefully and in tact and left to join BFF.

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[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357597440' post='3072551']
[center][b]An official pardon is being offered to the members involved in the coup, b[/b][b]oth parties in this situation have been in communication in private to come to see what and why things happened how they did. The Conclusion was that the members involved were only involved for the good of the people.[/b]

[center][b]Signed[/b][/center]
[center][i][b]markfrancos - Secretary General[/b][/i][/center]

[/quote][quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357770612' post='3073382']
I said you would walk away without punishment if you agreed to the simply repatriations which were demanded by the Government of GPF. Understandably they were not happy. I kept my word, i let you go free and expected you to take it like a man, dont try and turn this on me, logs and backing from several sources show that you  blatantly deny that you should pay for this. We were willing to let you walk away, but without anything REALLY ??? Even i'm not that nice.....
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I'm not sure or what to believe. I accepted the unconditional pardon and now you intend to extort money out of me. Please, tell me I am missing something.

[Why do I even bother ?]

Greetings and salutations to all.

I did not accept the terms forwarded to me because I saw no need to accept the extortion being placed upon me and I did not allow my good family in BFF to be extorted by the the GPF government. I was granted amnesty and was given Secretary-General MarkFrancos' word that if I ended it peacefully that I would walk away with no problems in the future. It's a shame to see he is not a man of his word and his alliance isn't a dignified and honorable place. I guess you can be wrong about people as I was wrong about Mark and the Triumvirate of GPF.

[b]You will get nothing.[/b]

Deal with it.

- Bernkastel

[I Believe we are still here.... Anybody ...... (GPF Coup Stopped)]

[quote name='trimm' timestamp='1357611106' post='3072639']
You REALLY shouldn't be letting these people off the hook.
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It's a testament to just how forgiving GPF or at least MarkFrancos is. Truly a respectable individual that are not as commonplace anymore. A fantastic place and I wish you all the best moving forward.

But hey, if anyone thinks they can get a cheap shot in on me, they will be sorely mistaken and will not end well for them. Let's let this situation fade away.

[GPF Announcement]

[quote name='chaosclanlord' timestamp='1357571472' post='3072418']
So that explains why I'm no longer a member like you claim and am a guest...
Here's some proof...

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You were being disrespectful and mean. You needed a time out. You'll get it back.

[GPF Announcement]

[quote name='chaosclanlord' timestamp='1357559506' post='3072383']
As I have said already, we are working on new temporary forums and will announce them as soon as they are up and running, please be patient However when those forums come up they will be the legal forums of the Global Protection Force.
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Want to know a real twist? I'm handing everything back over once my 72 hours are up (31 as of this post have passed). It was a fun thrill and I must thank all three of you letting me have such immeasurable amounts of joy. That's why I didn't ban any of you from the forum and kept you masked as members. I'm not a complete monster.