Wonders

[Banksy]

SSS actually gives you more benefits then a stock market- it just costs a bit more. While it makes more sense for young nations to buy an SM (because they can spend the $10 mill on infra)- if you had to choose- the SSS would be the best.

[Count Rupert]

[quote name='jamesdanaher' date='14 February 2010 - 06:32 AM' timestamp='1266147128' post='2180697']
SSS actually gives you more benefits then a stock market- it just costs a bit more. While it makes more sense for young nations to buy an SM (because they can spend the $10 mill on infra)- if you had to choose- the SSS would be the best.
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Again, NOT as a first wonder which was the orginal question. The fact of the matter is economically, the SM WILL outperform the SSS until the point that average gross citizen reaches $300. Only then will the SSS outperform the SM. It's not possible for a nation without any wonders to have an income that high. There are 35 happiness points available from improvements. Income from resource builds maxs out at around $46.50 for the best of them. There is an assortment of other happiness points available if maxed bring another 11 happiness. All this when modified (assuming the nation has all the economic improvements)is going to give you a gross income of around $287.38, meaning the SM is marginally more profitable than the SSS for $10 million less.

Simply put economically the SM is THE best first wonder. It's cheaper allowing you to start your wonder clock earlier than the SSS. It will actually even outperform the SSS meaning you lose nothing by buying the SM first and the SSS second and actually make more. Fact is, the SM gives the income necessary in most cases to make the SSS more profitable than buying one of the other +5 happiness wonders as a second wonder which is why guides list the SM first and SSS as the second wonder to buy.

[Seron]

[quote name='Count Rupert' date='14 February 2010 - 10:25 AM' timestamp='1266161142' post='2180801']
Again, NOT as a first wonder which was the orginal question. The fact of the matter is economically, the SM WILL outperform the SSS until the point that average gross citizen reaches $300. Only then will the SSS outperform the SM. It's not possible for a nation without any wonders to have an income that high. There are 35 happiness points available from improvements. Income from resource builds maxs out at around $46.50 for the best of them. There is an assortment of other happiness points available if maxed bring another 11 happiness. All this when modified (assuming the nation has all the economic improvements)is going to give you a gross income of around $287.38, meaning the SM is marginally more profitable than the SSS for $10 million less.

Simply put economically the SM is THE best first wonder. It's cheaper allowing you to start your wonder clock earlier than the SSS. It will actually even outperform the SSS meaning you lose nothing by buying the SM first and the SSS second and actually make more. Fact is, the SM gives the income necessary in most cases to make the SSS more profitable than buying one of the other +5 happiness wonders as a second wonder which is why guides list the SM first and SSS as the second wonder to buy.
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That is totally true.

[Nova Blue]

[quote name='jamesdanaher' date='14 February 2010 - 05:32 AM' timestamp='1266147128' post='2180697']
SSS actually gives you more benefits then a stock market- it just costs a bit more. While it makes more sense for young nations to buy an SM (because they can spend the $10 mill on infra)- if you had to choose- the SSS would be the best.
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AS a first Wonder, SM is a better choice...but my followup Question was comparing the SSS and GT.

[quote name='Nova Blue' date='13 February 2010 - 04:45 PM' timestamp='1266101117' post='2179833']
Which would you guys say would be the better option between the two (IE: choosing in order): SSS or GT?
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--Mags

[TheBFG]

[quote name='Count Rupert' date='14 February 2010 - 03:25 PM' timestamp='1266161142' post='2180801']
Again, NOT as a first wonder which was the orginal question. The fact of the matter is economically, the SM WILL outperform the SSS until the point that average gross citizen reaches $300. Only then will the SSS outperform the SM. It's not possible for a nation without any wonders to have an income that high. There are 35 happiness points available from improvements. Income from resource builds maxs out at around $46.50 for the best of them. There is an assortment of other happiness points available if maxed bring another 11 happiness. All this when modified (assuming the nation has all the economic improvements)is going to give you a gross income of around $287.38, meaning the SM is marginally more profitable than the SSS for $10 million less.

Simply put economically the SM is THE best first wonder. It's cheaper allowing you to start your wonder clock earlier than the SSS. It will actually even outperform the SSS meaning you lose nothing by buying the SM first and the SSS second and actually make more. Fact is, the SM gives the income necessary in most cases to make the SSS more profitable than buying one of the other +5 happiness wonders as a second wonder which is why guides list the SM first and SSS as the second wonder to buy.
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This is an age old discussion, and Count Rupert has always been correct in these discussions - when he speaks everybody else should just say "thank you", and nothing else :-).

This isn't even worthy of a discussion, the SM is THE best first economic wonder. For the unbelievers lets do the math one more time:
SSS increases your income by 7.14%, SM increases your gross per-citizen income by $20.76 (including income modifying Improvements, which should all be in place already when somebody is buying a wonder).
Simple math shows that the break even point between these is at $290.75 ($20.76/0.0714). If your citizens earn less than this, than the SM simply gives you a higher income increase. Because it is also cheaper it is then a automatic first choice !!

Now, if your gross per citizen income is higher than $290.75, then indeed the SSS will increase your income more and further discussion is needed to identify the best choice. As Count Rupert has shown, it actually not even possible for somebody buying their first Wonder to get to under normal circumstances. However, even if for some reason (like some lucky Events) someone manages to get over this threshold, then my calcs in the following old threat still show that for most people the fact that you can buy a SM sooner (since it is cheaper) than a SSS makes enough difference for this still to be the first in line, even in those rare cases:
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=13567&view=findpost&p=369101

edit: added a few words to make sentences clearer

Edited February 15, 2010 by TheBFG

[Nova Blue]

As a second Wonder, which would peeps say is the better choice: SSS or GT?

--Mags

[Fighter26]

I am a huge believer in the NRL because of improvement slots and its need for long term planning of WRC. Remeber those improvement slots can be used for war improvements as well and it is a scaleable wonder that grows in value with your nation. Just my two cents.

[Seron]

[quote name='Fighter26' date='21 February 2010 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1266780720' post='2195317']
I am a huge believer in the NRL because of improvement slots and its need for long term planning of WRC. Remeber those improvement slots can be used for war improvements as well and it is a scaleable wonder that grows in value with your nation. Just my two cents.
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Interesting point that you have.

[Fighter26]

Yeah, ironically my own favorite dosen't work out well in 5 GRL unless you have radation cleanup, which may gimp your nation if you go out of the way to get. Atm, without cleanup SM (or god forbid a war wonder) is a sound choice over NRL.

Edited February 24, 2010 by Fighter26

[Seron]

Pretty ironic.

[jdotcdot]

Stock Market because it is the cheapest.