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[quote name='Bob Janova' date='04 June 2010 - 11:36 PM' timestamp='1275690953' post='2323834']
The cancellation period would have expired by now
See, I told you guys that Härmlins should have a normal cancellation clause ... However, any treaty can be amended or cancelled by mutual agreement, so ask Grämlins if they'd like to see it gone in line with their treatyless FA plan (I use the word 'plan' loosely). If you both want it gone, then gone it is. If they want to keep it but keep going on about how they can't sign a surrender document because it's a treaty, then you can call them out for hypocrisy, and the world's going to be even more on your side when you declare it cancelled.
It would be pretty ironic though since that was your 'justification' for entering the war in the first place and burning the bridge with TOP.
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Now, now, Bob. You know as well as I do that just wreaks of e-lawyering, and it would be seen as such. Why would Ramirus agree to such a thing anyway? We are the last bits of timber keeping the dam together, so to say.
Like you said earlier, I'm quite confident our leadership knows when to trade the Accords in for a straightjacket for Gre.
[quote name='Dochartaigh' date='04 June 2010 - 08:45 PM' timestamp='1275680739' post='2323653']
While i agree with you on the Pacifican front, in regards to the Gremlins front, the same thing is being done now. Yet no one in MHA is stating that the Härmlin Accords should be dropped but instead stating how sad it is that ya'll are stuck with it.
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That's quite the generalization, but I'll forgive you if you didn't read all 189 pages where quite a few of our members (granted, we have over 600, and only maybe under 10 responded in this thread,) who don't want the treaty dropped and are merely optomistic and hoping for a miracle or at the very least for certain people to come to their senses.
I'd just ask of you not to take one member's opinion and take it for the entire alliances'
You'll find that to the contrary, in the MHA there are varied opinions about Pacifica, IRON, Gre, and the rest of the world just as there is in any other alliance.
It seems there's little more to write that hasn't been written in this thread.
I take my bow.
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Sigh... [i]This will all end in tears.[/i]
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[quote name='RustyNail' date='01 June 2010 - 10:26 PM' timestamp='1275427587' post='2319595']
I predict that this will end well. And to quote one of my favorite lines in moviedom...
"I'm your huckleberry. That's JUST my game."
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OOC: OOOOOOoooooooooooo jonny ringo! Tombstone FTW
IC: Janax : Yes, the irony is almost palpable, but I think you will not be given that treat. -
[quote name='jerdge' date='01 June 2010 - 09:58 AM' timestamp='1275382693' post='2318920']
We passed 40!
Onward to 42 and we'll be OK.
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Beware the curse of 42, Jerdge. You know as well as I that it took us months to get passed that obstacle, and for good reason. -
Point(s) taken.
I don't think either side can claim the other "started it." I did some reading...The DoW's were within 2 hours, and the Gramlins believed they were in the right to defend their allies. I call that a wash, because if we got into technicalities then people would ignore the greater message.
I don't see Gramlins as really being the aggressor's, so much as just being really diplomatically inept in this situation. To stake an alliance's survival by going it alone on an issue that your allies already communicated that they disagreed with is really quite the head-scratcher.
But I also do not agree with the perception that somehow if peace was achieved IRON/Gre would be open to future attacks, as I believe the 180 page thread can vouch that any agressor will be seen as "the bad guy," and I've gathered some sort of moralism has spread over the forums that would pretty much isolate them. (Granted, it being 180+ pages may call into question if either side truly cares about being "the bad guy," if they're doing what they think is right, however, I'd like to think they wouldn't be willing to make the same mistake(s) twice.)
I think, then, that this now is more about how IRON would like to finish this. Through the scenario you've described with a slow knockout style affair, or pride is set aside and these two alliances who I've respected for quite some time reach an agreement that benefits them both without the aforementioned expensive process for either. I wish the latter, but as each day passes I'm beginning to think the former becomes more likely.
Anyway, these last couple pages have been helpful to me in at least better understanding what's going on.
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While I cannot defend the actions of Gramlins nor really understand how this whole situation has come to light being that I wasn't here, I am still nonetheless severely confused on several topics.
A. How the Gramlins could use the concept of Unconditional Surrender to take a moral high point with the rest of the game. They later recant and state that their definition of such is just merely the standard operating procedure used by other alliances, yet they wish to stake it all on the interpertation of how surrender should happen. Now, hopelessly outmaneuvered diplomatically, Gramlins still wishes to flip flop on this definition.
2. The belief that Gramlins are currently losing this war, or rather, IRON and DAWN are winning. Just look at the statistics. Sure, Iron and co have numbers, but Gramlins can still do more damage than one can think of with the amount of nations above 110k + ns...
and D. The thought that anyone else should bring the Gramlins to their senses. Why should MK and CnG have to secure their reps by forcing Gre to stop by their own hand, basically losing incentive gained from the reps? They're going to get them either way, why not wait it out for them? As for IRON and DAWN using that as the reason to end this ASAP and calling on the international community to, I look back to #2, where IRON and DAWN are claiming victory. If that is the case, they should begin paying reperations back immediately.
I just see a whole lot of bad maneuvering going on and can't help but hope this ends soon. -
When I reply to something in the AP or any section, this happens: [img]http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5963/exampleop.jpg[/img]
I can't see what I'm writing, and it's really annoying. (see where the text bar is. -
[quote name='Haflinger' date='20 May 2010 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1274340041' post='2304720']
NPO's score will jump a lot tomorrow as everyone buys aircraft.
Then it should start to spiral upwards as the non-linear nature of nuke buying kicks in... tonight's nukes will mostly be the low-NS-count ones, once all their MP nations start getting over 10 nukes you should see a curve upwards.
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Yes. I am quite interested in seeing this trend in regards to how long it really does take for an alliance to regain it's maximum military capacity after said terms. These numbers will be worth watching. Also, stop by the embassy. Please? -
In my honest opinion, I would gladly stand by my brother, even at death if possible, for the hopes that he might recover despite whatever condition he may be in now.
[quote name='janax' date='19 May 2010 - 09:10 PM' timestamp='1274299827' post='2303623']
Brotherhood is a 2 way street.
He would certainly leave you for the wolves were the situation reversed, and has stated as much.
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Yes, and while I have not been around long enough for much of this, it is clear that Ramirus' statements are the root cause of the entire problem.
I believe that the MHA is holding onto the hope, although dim, that things will turnaround.
We cannot choose who leads the Gramlins, we are sovereign alliances. Call it foolish or silly, but I hope that our involvement in whatever peace process is occuring will allow for GRE to survive this. Whether it has the strength to carry on under the current leadership is not up to us.
Being there for them in their time of need is the most we can do in this situation. -
These are the general sentiments that I'm hearing, and I'll try to answer them.
The Gramlins were our brothers. Both alliances embraced the role. We found a happy medium where we were sovereign alliances, and while we may not always have agreed on foreign policy decisions, we nonetheless stood by eachother. In this instance, despite the overwhelming call for us to cancel the treaty, we are staying at their side. Why? You ask? Is it because we are weak? Is it because we don't want bad PR? Is it that we agree with what Ramirus has done while leading GRE? No.
It's because the bond between us was meant to mean much more, and though as I previously wrote I believe that relationship has been weakened, there is a dim, yet existant hope at the end of the universe that GRE will turn things around. This is not a desperation for allies, to sheerly make a point, or simply that we agree with what has happened while Ramirus has led the Gramlins. We're doing all we can to be the bigger brother here who will fend off the bad-guys while taking Ram into a room and letting him know we disagree (understatement,) with what has happened. As brothers though, we're not going to let them be fed to the wolves over one man's action.
I would hope brotherhood means much more. -
Holy one-liners.
This is quite long.
Anyway, I don't see this continuing for much longer.
While Ramirus' decisions have been analyzed a bajillion and a half times, I would hope things are coming to a close.
I'm quite saddened. The Gramlins I knew are mostly gone. Some who have left are openly campaigning for its demise.
Times have changed. It is unfortunate that an alliance once thought to be invincible is slowly being reduced to a punchline.
As a Harmlin, I can only hope this ends well and recovery and forgiveness may occur.
I can only hope for a miracle. -
Congratulations from your friends at the Emm Ach Aye
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From my own experiences, and these people likely would be available each round.
Wartime:
Head of State: Anu Drake - Cut his teeth in tC days, still around and a wily vet. +1 Alliance capability -1 Neutrality
Head of Government: Working Class Ruler - Motivator, knows what to say and when. +1 Wartime Effort
Minister of Economics: Tristram - Peak effort in war-time. Won't rest until the job is done, requires a thank you. +3 Aid Efficiency +1 Dissent
Minister of Foreign Affairs: John_Rocker - Again, veteran with many contacts and much experience. May rely on them. +2 Current Ally Relations -1 New Alliance Capability
Minister of Internal Affairs: Gfloyd2002 - One of the best at dealing with in house issues. +3 Morale
Minister of Security: StonewallJaxon - Guy was a crack FAN spy. Knows how to manipulate people. +10% chance to convert alliance to Your Ideology -3 dissent
Minister of War: HellsAngel - Worked very well, hard, and thanklessly in co-ordinating military efforts. +2 Organization
Peacetime:
Head of State: Delta - Intelligible, knows what he's doing. Cautious. Idealist. +3 Alliance Capability, -2 Neutrality
Head of Government: Janax - Self-motivated, capable of keeping those under him to task without question. +2 Morale +1 Efficiency
Minister of Economics: Nollisar - Selfless Perfectionist, can be frustrated by lack of effort of others +3 Aid Effeciency
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Banned Member. Unfortunate I can not name him.
Minister of Internal Affairs: BigWoody - Commands Respect, even when the chips are down and mutiny is at hand. +1 Morale +2 Effeciency
Minister of Security: WickedJ - He's got the scoop. +15% Chance to intercept foreign policy alignments
Minister of War: Doc Taco - Dedicated, can easily manage rogue/minor incidents while keeping MILCOM at ease. +3 Military Effeciency. -10% Rogue effectiveness.
Yes, I made up values.
Deal with it. -
Yes. Me.
As for your little tidbit about private channels, how about no. Who do you think would have advantage? One of the larger alliances out there, or a small group of seven nations. Some off the grossest abuses of power have taken place in private channels. The public stage, however, is the great equalizer. Where nothing can be hidden from the judgment of the masses.
I'm curious. As to what part do the masses play in your claim? You make it seem like you're trying to use them as a weapon. There is no unjustice going on around here. Two groups of people had claims. An ally supported another one. A non-ally supported the other one for attention. Just because 9 people think OOC: holocausts /ooc are good ideas does not always mean they are.
The amount of lies and dirt you spew is inconcievable. Any slander here is not even directed from the BTA but individuals who are quite clearly bored with themselves and need an enemy.
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Lol at the attention ***** club. Any more ****** want to join this alliance and play "We're the underdog, we really are! We didn't do anything, we didn't know this would happen! Everyone else is evil, we're on the moral high ground here! This is unjust even though two seperate entities have equal claims and qualms about our reformation! Thus, of course, we should ***** and moan until everyone thinks tha somehow our claim is more valid because we spend most of our day on cn forums! We're full of sh**!" card?
Seriously. I don't known how anyone takes these characters seriously.
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WCR seems to think its going that way, as i recall
Tbh, there are Faults on both sides. Either side of the Fence. its not all Emily's and it isnt all MHA's (dont try and tell me it is all the other person's)
So kiss a make up.
Where is the fault of MHA here
Query me about it? I would love to hear your opinion.
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Ada, just because someone pisses off two or three government members does not give someone a liscence to do whatever they want.
I don't see how her being in bad faith in government constitutes our entire governments judgment being clouded in the situation.
In fact I think it's sad that the word of someone who has continued to lie, slander, and ultimately admitted guilt is actually being taken seriously.
It's crossed the point of hilarity.
I point to several other posts that suggest if this were happening in any ones own personal alliance they'd do the exact same thing.
This isn't someone accepting screenshots, this is someone using the password of a nation they babysat months ago to forcibly takeover their account to view accent because he thought " we were talking behind his back . "
Right.
That's not Harmless...not even Mostly.
On the OOC side, I honestly do think any specific things you have issues with are best dealt with in query.Oh, right. I forgot, you're in charge here.
Scutter. I appreciate you are not fully filled in on the situation, But I have been through this a number of times, the screenshots were were posted on the internet, in a location where the poster knew I would view them, then taken down.I even went through he process of how this could have been done witrh crush, but I don't think he bothered to check.
Perhaps if you had not been so public in informing everyone one I had seen them, I would have had the chance to get back-up copies for you. But as you have already stated, you would only then claim that I took these myself so even if i could still get them, there would be little point.
Maybe because they didn't exist?
You never mentioned screenshots until the injustice squad in this thread tried vehemently to defend you through every out possible.
The fact that now you're stating that we made this public is hilarious.
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So you have no doubt in your mind that, noone in MHA whatsoever was having a Vendetta against Emily when the ZI was sentenced??
I think you missed the last 15 pages or so.
Are you saying we zi'd her because of a vendetta and not because of spying?
No one had a vendetta against Emily. In fact, all evidence points to the contrary. In all of the logs not once is Emily's name brought up by any MHA government and the actual thread where concern was raised was not in the matter of " god i hate that emily, " but in the matter of " we have a spy, let's find it. " Emily was an obvious first suspect, because she never provided screenshots, then 6 hours after talking to me after not revealing she had access to the forums, she indeed admitted to Scutterbug she had access. Based upon other information and the methods of how she procured access ( using a members password to basically forcehack their account, she obtained when she babysat their cn nation ), her admittance to and already agreeing in principle that by definition spying is a hostile action, we carried on with due process and had her access stripped immediately. The Triumvir's made the final decision on ZI, and in fact, I still see no reason why ZI was not sufficient in this case. Have the actions of Emily, taking this thread to more peaks of hilarity by posting logs with zero merit and contradicting herself several times, including her claim we somehow "knew" she had forcehacked said members account, which has been refuted by the supposive government member she told, and the mentioning of OOC: the lost hitchhiker /OOC for attention garnered her any ill will after the fact?
You're **** right.
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This was hilarious.
Amendments
1. It is possible for amendments to be necessary for the survival of Karma POW. As Karma POW will grow or shrink, so will this charter. The emperor does not respect the thoughts of all its members.
hahahahaha
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I LOVE YOU ITALY... haha.
this made me lol.
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Awww...so I'm not permanently banned from joining MHA?
That's all I really wanted to know! 
haha. he's got jokes. maybe ONE DAY. far...far away.
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So has the head judge already sissued a summary judgement and sentenced her to ZI?
Technically, non-members also get a trial, as evidenced by Article III, Part Q of the Mostly Harmless Revolution. It's the part dealing with EXTERNAL crimes. Specifically mentions outside entities first strike nuking, non-members spying in game on MHA nations, etc etc. Seems to indicate pretty well that it would be a trial situation. I don't believe the trium has the authority to sentence anyone, only the head judge, even if it's merely a summary judgment of the facts.
I'm sure she's guilty and probably warrants the decision, just pointing out for all the people claiming she doesn't get a trial, that they are wrong. There is at least the pretense of a trial and the head judge has to sign off on the situation.
OH my favorite part.
This is the part where other alliances tell us how our alliance works.
You seem to miss a certain part.
Article III: Precedent Guide
Part A: Article III shall henceforth be the legal precedent for specific crimes against Alliance Policy. At all times the punishments and procedure outlined in this Article shall supersede the necessity for a Trial in the MHA court. There are three severities of crimes (Minor, Major and High Crime), and three types of crimes (either In-Game, Anti-Hitchhiker, or External crimes). These rules are applicable to all members of the alliance, regardless of position.
Emily was not a member when she spied on us.
Thanks.
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So why did you need kowalski to tell you I was using BRs account? And how did he know?
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Our Moderator Control Panel works wonders.
You can see all sorts of things. Especially multis.
My guess is he checked Emily and guess what came up?
is your defence now that it's unfair how you were caught?
I think I'm done here.
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Again... MHA gov KNEW........
Yes, we did. As soon as we matched your forum ips.
the account that you were masked as non-member and a member mask that you gained access from using the password they entrusted to use when you babysat their nation months ago.
You're absolutely right.
I'd just like to add "lol" at being brought up at various stages while at work.
and <3 wickedj
That's all I really wanted to know! 
The New Grämlins
in World Affairs (IC)
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[quote name='Lusitan' date='05 June 2010 - 03:11 AM' timestamp='1275703851' post='2324007']
Well, you already broke most of the treaty provisions. Breaking the clause that says it can't be cancelled is just more of the same.
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I'm sorry...but this is absolutely false.
The Mostly Harmless Alliance has honored the Harmlins Accords throughout this entire ordeal, beginning when we came to the assistance of the Gramlins as requested in aggressive action against IRON.
Even Ramirus will acknowledge that for quite some time he did not request military aid in the current struggle, and still has not.
No part, not a single article of the treaty has been violated.
Thanks for the advice.