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  1. IRON Surrenders

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    yes because one member, who's not gov, and has a deep-rooted history with IRON, is upset with the terms they received clearly means Valhalla has not changed at all. :rolleyes:

    It's starting to get ridiculous now, can we just have one thread where our peace terms don't get brought up? please?

  7. Reps for IRON, NPO, Echelon, and TPF

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    Time does not change practice. Practice changes by initiative. You (again this referring to the former hegemony) did not take the initiative to practice better reparations terms so why should you benefit from the power transfer? You abused your power and now tell those with the power to not abuse you. It really is laughable.

    We didn't tell those with power not to abuse us, they chose not to. We've learnt from that and I'm now encouraging others to do the same. It's pretty simple tbqh.

    oh and we haven't had a chance to take the 'initiative' for ~9 months, so you're argument is pretty flawed in that respect. I can guarantee you if we had come out before this war and said 'If we win this war we will not be giving harsh terms' it would have been instantly condemned as a cheap PR move. Kinda a lose-lose scenario don't you think?

    It should also be noted that I do support torture or "advanced interrogation techniques" in real life. Obviously that's a tangent for the boiler room but your analogy falls flat on its face as does the rest of your argument.
    I'm loving the circular logic here. My analogy falls flat on it's face because...that's right; it falls flat on it's face!!
    The point is not whether you will or won't do it again. The point is that you have done it and the fact that you can no longer do it does not absolve you of that fact.
    Way to completely miss the point, which, since I was replying to your post is a pretty special achievement. Anyhow I'm in a generous modd so I'll lay it out step by step for you :)

    You: if you believe in light terms now, why did Valhalla not give light terms in the past?

    Me: Valhalla has changed and almost certainly will be giving out light terms from now on

    You: doesn't matter what you do from now on because you did it in the past!!

    Yep, you got me there :rolleyes:

  8. Reps for IRON, NPO, Echelon, and TPF

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    There are several nations that have 600m+ warchests that will rebound to prewar or higher stats moments after treaties are signed, before 'no factories' are strictly enforced. At least two, possibly three nations that I fought laid down their weapons and allowed their infra/tech/land/money to be destroyed, saving their warchests for after, to rebuild.
    While I personally think that those nations you fought are fools; I really don't get why there is this new craze to punish people for having warchests. The fact that they've prepared to rebuild doesn't take away from the fact that they've suffered a huge amount of damage.
    Very true. This is shown to be quite apparent, as everyone out of the freaking woodworks wanted a piece of NPO at the start of this thing. Frankly, I don't think the reps could possibly create a more bitter environment than -15m NS. The bite on the butt will hurt, and sting, and be every bit as harmful as without the reps, for reasons stated above... but the only difference is one would have the benefit of whichever terms reps are imposed.
    You'd be very surprised. Taking damage whilst dishing it out is painful, but ok. Sending tech to your enemies is a whole different matter, and in 99% of the cases will only cause bitterness and resentment.

    There seems to be this commonly shared belief that NPO et co are going to come after Karma for revenge once this was is over, no matter what. Thus is just completely untrue, and thinking that way is only going to make it come true. Giving NPO harsh terms will give them 'valid reasons' for revenge, giving them white peace could result in a completely different scenario.

    Personally if I was in NPO/IRON/TPF/Echelon shoes and I was offered the terms I've seen hinted at I would just go VietFAN for a few months (imagine a much larger FAN with MPs, WRCs, tons of cash) and wait for this next conflict to come around :)

  9. Reps for IRON, NPO, Echelon, and TPF

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by KingSuck

    That's absolute garbage and you know it. Reparations started out small in this world. Great War 1 essentially ended with an a apology. Did the NPO see the kindness of their superiors and dish out gracious reparation amounts from then on? Absolutely not. If you (this being Valhalla for example) really believe that giving easy terms is the proper way of doing things then why did you not do it when you were in power? It seems you online like easy reps when your side is the one paying. Your history and history in general betrays your comments about a peaceful world now. Sadly, I can see this mindset running rampant on the former hegemony side.

    Personally, because this is the first time I've even been in power and well I'm not really in a position for be handing out terms at the moment :v:

    At the same time, times have changed.

    [OOC] As an analogy; Just as torture is no longer viewed as ok in RL (where it used to be the norm), harsh terms are no longer viewed as ok in CN. [/OOC]

    Believe it or not Valhalla has also changed, we've had our eyes opened so-to-speak and I'd be mightily surprised if we ever gave out harsh terms again. :)

    The problem with NPO white peace is that they are known to hold an unhealthy grudge towards anyone who slights them. They've obviously not changed their point of view lately so it's almost pointless to allow them white peace considering they'll probably be planning revenge regardless. Other than that, I actually agree with most everything else you said. Those other alliances I see as able to become healthy participants of our new age of diplomacy.

    That's a pretty negative viewpoint to take tbh, but we can't really know who's right about this for now. Given the way some alliances have treated them in this war I can't really blame them if they do want revenge after this. Although at the same time, I know how it feels to be presented with relatively light terms and I can assure you revenge is definitely not something that springs to mind.

    I think it's also worth mentioning that the idea you're putting forward here of 'we need to nullify the danger of them getting revenge by imposing harsh terms' runs parallel to the thought process behind Perma-ZI, harsh terms, eternal war e.t.c; keeping an enemy subdued to stop them being a threat.

  11. Reps for IRON, NPO, Echelon, and TPF

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    It's quite funny seeing so many Hegemony figures saying how reps are bad and the terms should be light or nonexistent. If you really believe that, why did you join the alliances that you did, all of which have given or supported much worse reps (by proportion at least) than anything suggested in this war.

    Viewpoints change, if anything you should be celebrating. ;)

    As others have said, the equivalent of Athens's or MK's terms when scaled up for an alliance like IRON or NPO would be 200,000 tech or more. You're not going to see anything like that, and so in a way whatever numbers are finalised will be 'light'.
    The proportional concept being thrown around here is just wrong. Just for starters, every alliance is different. As an example, the average MK member could pay a lot more cash/tech than the average IRON/NPO member. Are you factoring all those kinds of details into your calculations?

    I'd agree that some proportionality should be taken into account, but basing everything off it is just ridiculous. A 2k NS nation losing 1k NS in a war is proportional to a 400k NS losing 200k NS in a war, are you really going to tell me those losses are equal?

  12. Reps for IRON, NPO, Echelon, and TPF

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by KingSuck

    MK never had that kind of NS to lose so it's not a valid example. When paying reps, your NS isn't the issue, the number of members is. NPO still has plenty of members capable of producing money to send out maximum aid while still rebuilding themselves, and more still who would be capable within 10 days of war ending.

    It is a valid example, percentages aren't everything.

    The amount of damage NPO/IRON have taken is equivalent to every nation in MK getting reduced to 0 infrastructure, 0 tech and 0 land; 3 times. I fail to see how that's not a valid example. Just because they had more to start with doesn't make their losses any less relevant.

  14. Reps for IRON, NPO, Echelon, and TPF

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    IRON- White Peace

    NPO- White Peace

    Echelon- White Peace

    TPF- White Peace

    My reasoning is simple.

    1- I like all those alliances.

    2- They have sustained a ridiculous amount of damage. It's all very well saying 'MK had to pay 82k tech in reps' etc, but when did MK ever lose the 15 million or so NS that NPO/IRON have lost? (just using MK as it's the most common example :P). I don't think people realise just how damaging this war has been for those aforementioned alliances. Seriously, just look at the alliance stats.

    3- Reps/harsh terms at this point will only cause bitterness, if not amongst the aforementioned alliances; then definitely against their allies and friends.

    4- Coming from an alliance who was given relatively light terms, it is very hard to hold any dislike for the alliances who dished them out.

    On that point, 'Karma' has a chance to finally get rid of harsh peace terms. I for one would find it impossible to ever give harsh peace terms after the way my foes have treated my alliance, and I wager other alliances would feel the same way. If you inflict the terms that I've seen rumours of, I can guarantee it will come back to bite you in the butt. Every war (untill this war so far) the reps seem to get bigger, and everyone gets rolled eventually.

  18. We who dream

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Sigh, it's people like you that prolonged this war from happening.

    You give me far too much credit. I'm sure you'll forgive me for not jumping on the 'vox brought down the hegemony' bandwagon straight away and for having a differing opinion on the matter. No matter how entertaining vox were, they played a minor role in the grand scheme of things.

    If you have anyone to thank for bringing down the hegemony it's Blackstone, seriously. :v:

  20. Submit your questions....

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by KingSuck

    @Shamshir, could you take us through the suspension of the NPO-MHA eternal (lol) MDoAP

    This phrase from the treaty in particular interests me:

    We have decided where we stand, and we stand together until the End of the Universe.

  21. WOE GLOOM AND WOE

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    Valhalla, too, has the possibility of change. But I already see Valhallans speaking of how quick and easy it will be for them to rebuild.

    And that means we won't change because...? Generally speaking our alliance holds pretty huge warchests, so rebuilding for us will probably be a lot easier than it would be for most other alliances. However it definitely will not be easy, I don't think people realize just how damaging this war has been. This is the first war where WRCs/MPs etc have been in abundance and they have really made their mark.

    It's dishonorable when it's Valhalla. :v:

    well at least somebody gets it :P

    also from a personal perspective; I feel the NPO and especially alliances like IRON should get light terms. As much hatred as there is around for the NPO; they have lost ~18 million NS. Whichever way you look at it that's a ridiculous amount of damage to take. Harsh terms will barely be felt economically after a loss of NS like that and all they would do is strengthen the NPO's resolve and stir resentment amongst the NPO and their friends.

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