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People always complain, but things Are happening. Isn't that what we want? I know that's all I could ever ask for. People engaging, and things to talk about. Whatever next round brings, I know I'm excited.
A bit off topic; but I think the short round did us good. It's not exactly the "holiday season" anymore, but this round was very much started with those in mind, and its short nature with different rules changed game play and allowed us to let off some steam. I'd maybe consider making it an annual thing.
I wish I paid more attention to some things during the round. I feel as if I missed the whole Misfits mess. I wonder how my little buddies in Misfits are holding up. -
I got ddgr8 to post :)
And you're right on quite a few points. I will again go with, I didn't like Citadel's wars when I saw them (again, it is fair to then call into question "who do I think I am to decide what is fair"). And about RL, or engagement rates, I can surely understand. But, and this is my opinion, if someone isn't involved in the war, I'd strive to bring them in.
Not to overwhelm my enemy (unfairly..) but it was one of your men that made the very real observation that it is economical to hit nations not at war and generally less active, who may (very likely), not attack back.
Kinda sad that it's the case.
And again in trying to be honest, Romans have kinda sucked for a while, and it wasn't to build up infra or flag run, but simply that we didn't have the focus to organize and make wars happen, this round and a little before. For my wars I choose two (one fresh, the other I'd consider fresh) with decent to high (ignoring those infra hugging nation) infra, as well as a Skaro with 6 nukes at the time.
Considering most people don't stretch themselves on 3 wars (and that I went in without backup), I don't see how it's unfair. Perhaps you could educate me as to how to evaluate war ability and the fairness of wars.
If there is ever a Roman who is getting away with crud wars and not at least maxing their offensive slots, you have my blessing to hit them. Triple them. Quad them an hour before update and rain nukes 5 days in a row. But then again, I may be a sadist.
About the war you picked, again, I see nothing wrong with it. Unless you guys really are upset and come and destroy us next round, all round,, my goal will be to hit people who this round (and often in rounds prior too), go almost (if not the full round) without any casualties. I like when people are involved in the game.
Hypocritical when I didn't attack NDO or Hellas? Perhaps. But I didn't want to engage them. The prospect of fighting them doesn't really seem fun. We talked about putting them in with Skaro/Cit, but thought it might be too much for us/if we were already on other alliances, and NDO is our size we couldn't properly keep them engaged. We could've 1v1, but I wasn't interested. Not to bad mouth them, just my opinion. -
Unless you want this to be the start of "new grudges", I know I don't hold any. We just found this to be the war we wanted to make.Yours is a continuation of previous grudges. Here is a start of new grudges for no apparent reason.
When TE was new? It's changed. The same, like TPC you are in now is not the TPC I was in.
We will fight the staggering attacks of RE, of course -despite them being fresh. Helps to plan things for the future.
If it helps you to know what we (I really) was thinking, is we wanted to gun for Skaro because they're number one and have numbers (complete with a second wave as we'd drop into range of more of their targets). However they're not the most renowned fighters, and were having their own "wars" as well. It would've been looked badly upon.
Then we looked at Citadel. They (you) were doing your own "wars". Attacking you would surely be looked badly upon (poor form if you're already engaged).
However, it was pointed out to me (and I quickly agreed and still think this way), that many of your nations were avoiding war. Either they were under engaged or in easy wars (actually a large number with zero damage). I actually wanted to record the damage (taken and dealt) and make a big nice post. But you can imagine the difficultues in that.
I didn't just ram on Citadel members though. Here's my notes on your top 20 nations:
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Some notes on your top nations at the time of declaration:
(Note: Damage summerized like so "Dmg [40,13] [0,0] [300,85]" for three different wars with example damages of 40 infra & 13 tech, zero infra & zero tech, and 300 infra & 85 tech. Also stats are taken as of ~7:00 AM CN time Jan 24th)
ddgr8 - Only war at the time with dmg of [70,2]. Hit by us.
Predrag Glavash - Skipped for initial attack. Two wars at the time (now expired) [75,3] & [236,61]. Hit once.
Dark Zone Elite - In three wars, the one with Andy [769,161]. Not hit.
mr pink - Three wars, one reaching dmg's of [534,169]. Not hit, but out of anarchy, ready to counter.
Pax Animi - Three wars, one totalling [620,183]. Currently untouched.
Manx5 - In two wars (still on going) with literally zero damage taken (and plenty dealt). One of the very first targets I assigned. Wanted to double cover.
kongland (yourself) - Three wars, one with Andy at [632,154]. Skipped in the targetted strike, but ol' Stelios got ya.
kulomascovia - Three wars. Andy war dmg [739,102]. Not hit, but out of anarchy.
Fire Ants - Attacked by Andy and made wars himself. Not declared on by us.
Aditya - Zero wars. Peak infra 2.8k. Took him personally.
Castros - One war zero damage, the other totalling [344,81]... I actually feel a little bad since my mental mark to avoid was 100 infra in a war. Must've slipped my mind. Talked to him in passing though and he doesn't seem upset (thanks Castros!).
King Solvay - Three wars. [79,10] [0,0] [49,3] Hit once.
World Coalition - One war peaked at #1 in destruction. Not touched by us in this war.
Repulsor - Four wars total; [89,8] [0,0] [0,0] [0,0]. Hit by us.
This guy. He was attacked, and does 3 times the damage output. Then declares three more wars and none of them fight back. A lot of it is luck of who you get, but man.
Eumirbago - Paid me to not attack him. Also was in three wars at the time totaling [981,315] [122,77] [104,7]
mg114 - Three wars at the time [620,178] [6,1] [0,0]
Stonybeast - Three wars at the time [111,15] [10,2] [0,0], hit by us once.
However this was another with over 100 infra dmg in a war. Won't say I had a hard and fast rule, but I don't consider it crazy damage, and just look at his damage output for a second. I mean, just for my own laziness I don't have their damage output recorded as well, but these really are raids. It's murder your guys get/got away with.
I mean, good on you for doing it, if I could do that I'd do it too. A lot of the reason why I wanted to hit, and didn't change course from hitting Citadel.
I'm going to do a few more of these, but really, how much more proof can I really provide? If this is what is upsetting, I sincerially apolize. But how can you get upset about "friendly" Romans starting a grudge with you. If you don't expect people to hit you because of some silly status quo "we're in a declared war, so we're off limits!" then I don't think we can play in the same sandbox. Everyone talks about up/down declares, or how the game isn't fair, the difference between upper tier alliances and the cruddy ones, or even talks about secret treaties, how wars are preplanned and orchestrated.
If our war is a sticking point I don't know what to say. If there are cases where we're ganging up unfairly, or are turds about something [perhaps where I let the members open range/where counter wars come into play] that's another issue.
You can give the arguement about us being fresh, just waiting to pounch; and I'd give you credit on the fresh part.
But honestly, in my opinion, Romans hasn't exactly been doing too hot. We're not chomping at the bit, waiting to get one over on anyone. We want some war. We want some fun.
Who are we to look at these stats and decided that we're allowed to determine that your wars are "inadequate" and attack you for it. I mean, perhaps you have a point there. But when planning the war, [before even more jump'd on Skaro], hitting Skaro wouldn't have been 'fair' either, and grouping up on too many, without just declaring open season, might've opened us up to, one a lot of enemies to fight, but also made a lack luster war that's too spread out.
Even with your war going on, when I think Citadel, I will admit I do think quality, and with Skaro as well, I thought it was a fairly good match up. We could've also hit Hellas, or NDO, or a bunch of smaller alliances, but meh. We just didn't.
We can hit Hellas and NDO next round, if you'd like. I'll consider it.
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Alexio15 - three wars at the time [138,13] [134,9] [417,81]. Not hit by us.
unseen - three wars at the time [364,105] [66,2] [257,54]. Not hit.
Donada - Four wars, all current, all on the same day, one is Andy. Was enough for me to ignore. Also not currently hit by us.
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To top that off, my first wave were all assigned (and I don't go through and check meticulously, but they should've also all followed through as assigned) three targets. Three targets, spreading themselves open to take damage and more than willing to get countered.
(A little aside to any Skaro reading through; I'm speaking to/of Cit only about our war and such. If you have questions or concerns please ask. I might be a little passive aggressive, but I really do mean no harm!)Considering the # of alliances out there that had not been at war yet I am just not seeing the "fun" in not attacking one or more of them but instead attacking an alliance already at war.
Then add in the chance of damaging a "long standing friendship" by attacking them and I really can't see the "fun" in this war.
Are you seeing it HD?
Thus I will have to say about your post above bomb "that dog wont hunt". ;)
It's nice that fun is subjective.
This war was largely thought up and carried out by myself (I'm taking blame here, where I boast about how proud and happy I am, I'll include others who were there too). I like to go for the number one alliance. Skaro and Cit, both, in many accounts were number one, and both ahead of us.
As well, perhaps you should consider how nice it is to have someone want to come out and have their first dance with you (well Citadel, but pretend you're them).
And to "long lasting friendship", I'm not getting it. Perhaps I'm showing my greenness, perhaps I'm just a different person than the guy Citadel knew in Romans. You can still talk to me (to make friends, or know what's going on). But you can't expect that knowing some other guy in Romans, however long ago, makes this a backstab. And we can account for the poor form in attacking someone at war in other posts (I've posted a bit on it. I'd be willing to have legitimate conversation on the matter).
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Well I've written enough.
To those interested the gov of Romans sit as Raggy, Stelios, myself, Staccs (well, I kinda demoted him, he likes being retired but still quite in the thick of it), and ADude.
For getting things done, raggy is our pretty face, Stelios is our old man, Staccs just yells in our talks, so you should talk to me or ADude. Try and convince him to stab me. Roman governments aren't always the most stable. You could change the flavour.
Cheers.
And congrats if you actually read half of this. -
A good tautological declaration.
Missing images&sigs though. -
Citadel members, please restrain yourself from posting here. Not worth it.
Let's just fight. There will be a lot of fighting ahead, get ready.
I promise I won't troll though.
I spent some hours trying to get the wars to be fair. We could have a lively debate on the merits of "fair war", rules of conduct, the definition of a raid, how to calculate war ability in order to determine up/down declare status.
I'm pretty excited for my DoW. Don't nip this in the bud so soon. -
But... we are at war already, with 3 alliances.
I actually wanted really nice stats to prove that this is fair, but I think we can be mature about it (plus I'm new to the TE OWF with the back and forth on what's fair). Your wars are hardly wars at all.
You personally are in wars with damage and were specifically not targeted as such, along with others who are actually taking damage.
Our first wave, who should all have three targets, three targets who are not taking damage/are comparable sizes, I believe is more than fair.
How counters happen between all of Skaro/Citadel and Romans will change a lot. We can have a discussion on how fair the war plays out in a few days. -
I forgot to include your sig; so sorry.Signed, Bombuator Secret Government and Wine Cellar Guard
Have fun!
Also someone insisted I post this (they don't like posting it seems);
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Targets:
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Skaro & Citadel
Speech:
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something something shadow gov
Personal Notes:
I waver between rambling, and not writing enough. I don't feel like having my scribbles peer reviewed or to finish crunching the stats. Ask questions if you're interested.
So signed for Rome by:
KingWilliam - General Manager
ADude - something about a shadow gov
And others who didn't sign in time. -
Honestly whenever I see alliances (or people) actually discuss things, and esp when they're in a "everyone is trash" sort of mood it puts a smile on my face.
Any alliance trying to put a viceroy on another might immediately become my favorite. -
Joy to the world.
I'll be rocking in the Holidays to these Sing-Alongs.
Keep'em coming, and Merry Christmas
(also war)
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Very brief.
Keeps me in the know.
Umbrella is best OWF poster. -
Ship it!
I want to be OTP with the GM.
Until then, take some hails TOP. And do me and everyone else a favor. Stay on top of things. Be what we know you can be. -
That's exactly what I would strife for. What I hope to attempt for.Well, the reason this game is this way is largely due to how new members and alliances are handled by the TE community. When the NDO was formed, I was talked to by the leaders of several alliances (like 4-5 of you guys) and they told me that I had to follow their rules or risk getting dogpiled by all of them. I grew bored with TE and don't really play except as a trade circle holder in the alliance right now, because it is the same every time due to the fact that the rules of this game are enforced by "everyone" who plays the game. You guys have been complaining about treaties or something for at least part of this round, but only became even more stable and less conflicting with your fake wars. Maybe the game would change if you guys just went to war for reasons other than "going to war." :P
That's my thoughts on how you as players / government leaders can make TE an exciting game again. Declare wars on people not because of their NS differentials, but because they are cowards who run from fights or because you want to have some control or something over the game.
I'll do it on a smaller scale, get away with as much as me and anyone I'm with can get away with, and if only for myself, have some fun. Fight for something. Fight for real. -
Gotta admit, at least we had fun unlike everyone else playing ;)Just been scouring the borders of Planet Tokyo :P
It was a rainy day, we needed some sunshine. -
This is the kind of game that keeps long runners. I remember you, or at least PPF. Was always from a distance lurking myself.
Sad to see you go. Sad to have seen you go less active. If you poke your nose around, reroll the PPF AA and maybe tell the children on your lawn a story from time to time.
Take care. -
And that's how you Communicate.
Good job williams! Oh, and rest of GPA gov. Don't let williams outshine you, you're all good too. -
Unless of course I'm his favorite. Even if we haven't (yet) had our own personal moment together. I'd like to think our bonding was still just as real.You have to admit EddyH, I was your favorite. :wub:
And I suppose I agree with the idea. I know I've (tried) to help do interesting things on the little scale I can, either by jumping in with people trying stuff, or trying to get a little band of merry men to join me in doing something.
But with anything, if you want change you have to do it yourself. Why not have TPC declare on OP, Warriors, and Romans? Force them to do something at the very least. You can't force them to do anything, but you can sure provoke it.
If the "cost" of doing something like that aren't worth it, then you're really in the same boat as everyone, as they sit around and will start their own, end of round wars, semi-randomly. I know many people just opting to let their people "hit anyone". Go after someone. I can't do much now (we'll see where I rebuild), but if you want to do something interesting I might even join you. Try it! We can only try. -
We held off on posting an official Declaration of Existence, and subsequent Declaration of War.
Politics scare us (or perhaps that's me they scare. Not sure if I "speak" for "us"). However, as an Organizer of the South China Sea, if I may reply:
1) We do find our nations at war with your nations, and
2)We make no claims, of any kind, to any alliance, including "Planet Tokyo" (is that even a real alliance?).
We're engaging the top nations in the New Atlantic Order to quench our thirst. Calm waves lead us to your shores.
Surf's Up. -
As long as you realize the political reality, and necessity of it all, on their end now then and yours now and then, then no harm no foul.During the last war there were many alliances in the coalition that wanted to leave Umbrella on the battlefield at the end and I, as part of the triumvirate for TLR, gave a rousing speech to the coalition about how we were all in this together and that we would not leave an alliance still fighting while the rest of us got peace.
Ask me how I feel about that speech right about now. -
Dre4m is always full of class. I went to go hate on GATO, and ended up signing a secret treaty. He's a sly one.And it's back.
And to The Last Republic o/
Have some fun while defending our Honor, will you o/
Also, I would've made banter with Farrin, but handily beat to the punch. Farrin knows I love him though. -
Have to wish our friends in SUN good luck.
Regardless of results (I'm putting my money on victory), I always appreciate your friendship, and hope you might even, gasp, have fun defending us!
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Quote edited down to relevant points I shall be responding to:[...]not going to take the non-existent moral high ground and claim that anyone is right, because frankly, none of us are. We all war and curbstomp and get curbstomped.
Trying to say that the Misfits hit first is wrong, sure you may have alternate reasons, but claiming that the Misfits began war against PT [...]
I personally believe that Planet Tokyo is a legit alliance, that just wants to attack the Misfits for whatever reason.
PT, we dine in oblivion.
1) Thank you for sharing your views. We can disagree, but it's nice to take a step back every once in a while.
2) I don't believe anyone has claimed that Misfits hit first. Our reasons are indeed 'alternate'.
3) If you were the one handling diplomatic relations, of which can only exist between legitimate alliances, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess. But I also wouldn't have a date of tea-time with Eddy. The world works in mysteries ways.
4) 'oblivion' - Interesting. Faced with such a threat against our existence, I will continue to conduct Total War, with no regards for hesitation. I look forward to our dinner date.
I hope you made reservations for such an occasion.
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However you'd like it /)^3^(\Milk, 2 sugar and we have a deal? :P
First of all; you have terms for rogues? Secondly, why haven't I received any of these terms? The reason I did not feel it necessary to open the diplomatic floor with Misfits proper, was because I was acting under the governance of my Planet Tokyo leadership. If you will not recognize us, and view me as a free agent, shouldn't you speak to me directly if you already have, and wish to pursue, conditions of peace?I think its fair to say, NAO does not recognize the legitimacy of Planet Tokyo. Nor will we sit and allow our allies to suffer any further rogue attacks.
Our terms are simple. Stop hitting Misfits.
Keep that fire alive! There's hope for you yet Eddy. Stop by anytime /)^3^(\flaming :P
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I need more attention. If you could get your third alliance, CoS to also attack me, get me up to a full 6 wars, maybe I'd be content.Ahhh, the classic 'i'm not getting enough attention'
Like I said in the other thread, my discussions with PT are over, so trying to get me out here after this reply will not happen.
Good day gentlewomen
And you don't have to talk to us, but I sure wouldn't mind a chance to sit down and hash out our differences. Over tea? Don't ignore us eddy. It doesn't have to be like this!
I'll be the gentlest women for you ever.
Good day my fellow gentlewomen /)^3^(\
Misfits Tastes Like Chicken
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So this is a Declaration of Victory? Mission Accomplished?
How're you gonna celebrate? Congradulations!