Caladin
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Yet, despite all of that, y'all caved quicker than anything I have ever seen.
As for ultimatums- why you asking MI6? Y'all put yourselves in the situation of getting an ultimatum not MI6. Trying to deflect your actions onto MI6 is getting pretty !@#$@#$ old.
As I said, believe what you will. But what you believe is not reality.
Also, answer the question (though, deflecting by accusing us of deflection is amusing)
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What? Now we have y'all goin with this line? What exactly did I avoid? Do tell. What did I rant and rave about that was not on point?
Saxasm- now this is ranting and raving and incoherent babbling.
You know, I just think you're pissed off that the cavalry isn't coming in to save you.
I have to ask: If MI6 was issued an ultimatum, would they be stupid enough to not do what was demanded just because it was demanded?
Because if you would, I've got a few ultimatums of my own to make.
In any case, BONES wouldn't be much of a cavalry. (Tbh, SPATR in general wouldn't be much of a cavalry, but since it seems BONES was making an ultimatum on behalf of only himself, let's just focus on him for the moment)
Looking at the numbers, using only NPO nations, the net result of BONES hitting NPO resulting in a two month conflict is BONES losing 30,000 tech and the NPO losing 36,000 (split between 11 nations). Given how small those losses are, I doubt the possibility of his entrance to the war factored into Oculus' considerations.
As for the rest of SPATR; well, they have four super tier nations and two borderline super tier, with the rest of their nations being irrelevant. Even if it was just SPATR v. NPO, the NPO would easily be able to deal with those six nations, but since it would not be just SPATR v. NPO the combined top tiers of NPO, IRON, Umbrella, Sengoku, DT etc etc etc would do it with the net effect on each of the individual alliances being almost non-existent while SPATR would be safely wiped out.
There is absolutely no reason to believe that the possibility of either BONES or SPATR entering into the war would cause Oculus to give peace to an alliance they weren't already willing to give peace to. But, believe what you will; reality is so cumbersome anyway.
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@Caladin - No one cares how many top tier members you have. A handful of skilled people can cut right through them. You need to stick to what your good at and whine about how things are so unfair for you.
Sorry, not really feeling it right now. Things have suddenly got a little bit fairer over the last couple of days, if you know what I mean.
Anyway, having reviewed the contents of this thread, I have a new official policy to announce from Oculus: Whenever someone issues an ultimatum to Oculus, Oculus will do the exact opposite.
On an unrelated note: Oculus, you have 36 hours to not make me God-Emperor for Life of Oculus, on pain of rolling.
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No, SPATR didn't pressure MI to do anything.
Sure. Whatever you say.
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Monsters Inc didn't ask SPATR for assistance in ending the conflict with NPO/Oculus.
Monsters Inc only asked whether it would be possible to send them monetary foreign aid (understandable since SPATR has PIAT with MInc). That's all. MInc was reasonable here - they were aware we might not send aid because they were at war.
So I presented the SPATR Leadership with the motion to send aid to Monsters Inc. According to customary SPATR rules all decisions affecting security of the alliance should be made unanimously (i.e. everyone in Leadership either in favour or abstains). After several days such unanimity was reached. We sent aid to MInc expecting an attack from Oculus.
Additionally Bones posted an ultimatum. That was surprise for Monsters Inc and surprise for myself too.
And then I was amazed that Oculus promptly gave peace to MInc. It was just too funny... We didn't want to waste such an opportunity for a good laugh.
So long story short, ultimatum was Bones' idea. MInc didn't ask for it, they were keen on fighting.
We wouldn't pay you anything anyway.
Let me get this straight.
- SPATR decided that it would screw around and issue an ultimatum.
- Oculus then proceeded to not give a crap about the ultimatum, (let's be frank, you might have a couple of huge nations but we have hundreds of large nations).
- Oculus then interpreted the ultimatum to mean that despite the lack of dialogue from MI, MI wanted peace and so offered it.
- MI didn't actually want peace.
- SPATR then realized that if MI proceeded to refuse peace it would be highly embarrassing, and so pressured MI to accept.
- MI then proceeded to accept a peace they didn't really want because SPATR screwed up.
In other words, your leadership is retarded?
Good to know.
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Now SPATR is putting their foot down they want to see their friend/ally get peace or else they'll get involved. I can respect their stance even if I don't have a real dislike of Oculus. Just as Kashmir backed off TIR when I said something similar, Oculus could let Monsters Inc remove themselves from the conflict.
I think there is a slight sticking point that needs to be overcome before Oculus can consider letting Monsters Inc go. Monsters Inc actually has to want to be let go & convey that to Oculus High Command.
Of course, there's no need to let facts get in the way of a good story.
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I'm starting to sweat, I'm feeling nauseous. I'm struggling to breath.
I think I'm going into withdrawal :/ -
We couldn't be bothered with this round; I'm too busy to properly run the thing. We'll be back sometime.
Helps that you guys have a significant Average NS advantage while suffering no real Total NS disadvantage. -
It's always when I'm on holiday, isn't it?
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I don't get it. Are you saying that without the supremacy clause, NG wouldn't trust IRON to have their back?
Not at all. I'm just pointing out that it is far more likely to be aimed at preventing an opponent trying to split the bloc by calling on treaties with a bloc member against another bloc member than it is to be used to roll DBDC (which, it should also be mentioned, is impossible with that clause; it is explicitly a defense only clause) -
I don't see how this makes sense at all, oAs are always optional so nothing would force oculus members to use them anyway.
Remember this?: http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Disorder_War -
The last sentence of this section should be called "CubaQuerida clause"... Basically all signatories of this document are stating here that they may attack other alliances despite of non-aggresion provisions. They may even attack their allies. If we were allied to any of this bloc members, we would cancel on them immediately. Fortunately, SPATR doesn't have that problem.
I suspect the actual point of the clause is to prevent another Optional Aggression, or even mutual aggression, coalition that involves Oculus members. -
Bills continue to accumulate while your nation is inactive.
If I remember the suggestion box topic correctly, this was not the intent; they were supposed to stop accumulating when you were inactive.
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War ends this update. See you in a few weeks :P
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Updated stats, for those who may be curious: (Taken from the most recent stats file)
Eurasia
Nations: 37 (+1)Nations in Anarchy: 12 (+12)
Percentage: 32.4%
Net NS: 272,797.38 (+2,720.95)
Mean NS: 7,372.90 (-129.22)
Median NS: 8,220.64 (+16.52)
Nukes: 33 (-3)
Nations over:
20k NS: 0 (+0)
15k NS: 0 (+0)
10k NS: 7 (-1)
5K NS: 24 (+1)
DEFCON 1
Nations: 24 (+0)Nations in Anarchy: 21 (+21)
Percentage: 87.5%
Net NS: 254,744.44 (-58,697.21)
Mean NS: 10615.60 (-2,445.72)
Median NS: 10,493.50 (-1,106.23)
Nukes: 4 (-7)
Nations over:
20k NS: 0 (-2)
15k NS: 6 (-1)
10k NS: 8 (+2)
5K NS: 6 (-3)So, despite the fact that DEFCON nations are on average considerably larger than each of their opponents, it seems that Eurasia is winning this war. Strange, I guess warchests are important.
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Simple solution. Invade the brown sphere. (Hi GATO, we wub you)
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do this but make it as a tournament edition round so we can still keep playing cn standard
Give some ridiculously oversized prizes for the alliance the wins, and that should encourage alliances to compete properly. Could be very fun :D -
o/ Oculus
Wait, VE is a member?
I retract that. Roll the Green Sphere. -
Nawww, you need a sixth nation to deal with little old me.
To be fair, with your warchests, you actually might.
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Detailed stats, for those who may be curious: (Taken from the most recent stats file)
Eurasia
Nations: 36
Net NS: 270,076.43
Mean NS: 7,502.12
Median NS: 8,204.12
Nukes: 36
Nations over:
20k NS: 0
15k NS: 0
10k NS: 8
5K NS: 22
DEFCON 1
Nations: 24
Net NS: 313,471.65
Mean NS: 13,061.32
Median NS: 11,599.73
Nukes: 11
Nations over:
20k NS: 2
15k NS: 7
10k NS: 6
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I always find it amusing how you think our dislike of your play style is due to envy.
Hint: it's not envy. It's that we actually care about the long term prospects of this game -
I would support this, as I am certain that raiding does negatively impact the popularity of the game; in TE, lower tier raiding does scare players off, as can be corroborated by talking to said players - this, I believe, can be directly translated to the situation in the lower tiers in SE, though as those players tend to leave entirely after being run out we cannot confirm.
What we can confirm in SE, though, is the actions of larger raiders running players out of the game. I know many and I'm sure all of us know of some players who have left the game after having been raided by a top tier nation and being unable to counter due to ridiculous imbalances in the system.
However, while I said I would support this, I don't believe there is any chance it would occur in the current political climate, so perhaps a better idea would be to propose mechanical solutions that perhaps both allow for raiding but make it such that it is less likely to run players out of the game. -
Eurasia is having issues with this alliance as well. I hope they are able to get their nations under control soon.
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Notes:
And we have our first wars, with Silent Expeditions raiding (and spying) Eurasia and TDO and TDO retaliating with a few wars, as well as D1 and RE raiding Isolationalist. For the stats, we have TPC and OP being the last alliances to build up their nations, both being in the top score gain, NS gain and avg. NS gain list, while TDO takes highest score gain by gaining a member and a fair amount of NS. The Misfits also gains a large of Avg. NS, putting them as the third largest alliance in ANS terms. And we have wars coming up tomorrow. The first wars of the round!
Stay tuned!
Eurasia wanted in, but TDO was selfish and took all the slots :(
Oculus Third Decree
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Uhhhh.
Why would we declare three more wars on each before the first wars expire?
Also, go look at the numbers I ran for BONES; they're accurate for the most part, though they underestimate by maybe 10% for bones and 20% for NPO (the NPO nations, due to their superior numbers, will break through their opponents fleets relatively quickly and then be able to run battle support, while neither side includes CM's or GA's)
To put it simply, SPATR is no threat to either the top tier of NPO or Oculus - the most damage they could reasonably deal is 150,000 tech over two months, and that is considerably less than the NPO imports in that period.