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  5. A Valentine from TPF

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    8 hours ago, Judge X said:

     

    See the difference is that we tried to work with you when you were courting NG. We were opposed to the treaty completely. We were assured that it would be beneficial for both of us if we just gave it a chance. As soon as we were at war Brehon told me that NG & others was pushing for that attack by us. They forced the separation. No that is wrong. I can't blame them at all. As TPF was having activity issues NPO made a well thought over decision to move away from TPF and towards other alliances.

     

    We weren't as useful to NPO anymore. Years of beat downs for no reason, but to keep us down took its toll. TPF learned though, right from wrong as leadership changed to TCK, to me, to Roadie. We solidified our direction and we're assured that NPO changed as well. All the time in fact NPO assured us that things would never be like they were. All a fat !@#$@#$ lie! You did to us exactly what you told us you were done with and you were against. It is either that or NPO has no balls to stand up their allies like we stood up to you. I personally thinks it's both. You have no balls nor have you changed at all. Just understand that you and your allies are killing this world.

     

    Admin bless your souls and may NPO live forever.

     

     

    I recall a bit of that time .. yes after DH we started things anew ... as a matter of fact even before Brehon we realized  that we needed to make changes in our FA policies. i can remember that when we signed with both NG and TLR that we knew that our allies would be skeptical and yes you all where asked to "give it a try". We had to do this cause we were accused of being the sleeping giant and if we remained doing what we where doing we would be accused of being up to something evil.  During them changes at no time was there a though we would ditch TPF. The sentiment was to keep ya at our sides and due to what our past was. Even during DH when we were given the 3 week term and all we tried to get you exempt but you stood by our sides. Beleive me we wanted you. BUT as you mentioned when from that start of the NG and TLR signings things started to go downhill. IT was not a matter of us wanting to to shove you aside it was a thing were we decided to go one way you the other and that happens all the time It is just a natural progression of time.  Judge i respect and will always have that heart spot for TPF for being with us for so long and by our side. But there comes a time when one has to sit and take responsibility for ones own desicions and realise wait maybe we helped in creating the discord and then accept the actions of them decisions then just move on. If there is one AA that knows that it is NPO ... Karma, DH and the last Order war.    WE know we went through and we have moved on and continue to adapt and keep going.

     

    Oh and just to add to that ... When IRON/Top attacked Polar ... after we had signed with NG And TLR and NPO was PREMPTED by FArk/FAN .. what two alliances we the first to come to our aid ? and without asking.

  6. A Valentine from TPF

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    On 2016-04-30 at 7:53 AM, Judge X said:

     

    Not after I took over. That's where the falling out began. I refused to attack a direct ally of STA when, 1 they had not attacked a treaty partner and 2 it would force tension between STA and their treaty partner. Oh that was fun! The coalition constantly pushing NPO to get us to do their bidding and we didn't. That was the breaking point. We wouldn't fetch anymore. Then Roadie took over and they thought it would change back. It didn't and that wasn't egg on their faces, but that's another story. I had left shortly after that.

     

    By your own admission the falling out began by your choice.  And even with that it continued with the next person in charge and so forth. With that in mind there were attempts to try and solve our issues . Which over time for whatever reasons just came to the point where it was felt that our relationship just was not were it was in the past. People move on simple.  And yes maybe with different discussions as we mentioned before maybe things could of been better.  But the fact is once you signed with MI6 it was determined we were heading in different directions and goals making it of no sense to continue forward at that point.   You choose your path by your own admission and here we are today. 

  8. A Valentine from TPF

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    7 hours ago, Judge X said:

     

    Not after I took over. That's where the falling out began. I refused to attack a direct ally of STA when, 1 they had not attacked a treaty partner and 2 it would force tension between STA and their treaty partner. Oh that was fun! The coalition constantly pushing NPO to get us to do their bidding and we didn't. That was the breaking point. We wouldn't fetch anymore. Then Roadie took over and they thought it would change back. It didn't and that wasn't egg on their faces, but that's another story. I had left shortly after that.

     

    Just for clarification ..was that ally of STA a ally of yours ?

     

     

  12. Purple Reign

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    4 minutes ago, Thrash said:

     

    I already did. It was to stir up activity. It also has the added benefit of going back to our proper home and being closer with our best buds Legion.

     

     

    lol .. I know lol .. but it seems that the OP's here seem to be like a dating site... every one looks at the pictures instead of reading the profiles lol ..

     

    sorry Thrash .. set ya up for that one :P ... good luck on purple and i hope it works well for ya all :)

  14. A Valentine from TPF

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    16 hours ago, leeguy said:

     

     

    Most of NPO doesn't feel this way, included several high ranking gov members that chose to declare war on TPF nations instead of the supposed main target.

     

    In fact NPO lead the offensive against us by the end of October (in offensively declared wars). I didn't track the numbers past the first month however. 

     

    Alliance Number of Total Wars From 10/9 - 10/31 Precent of Total Wars
    New Pacific Order 76 36%
    Independent Republic Of Orange Nations 46 22%
    Viridian Entente 24 11%
    Umbrella 20 9%
    Non Grata 16 8%
    Sengoku 13 6%
    The Grand Lodge of Freemasons 10 5%
    Aurora Borealis 5 2%
    The Dark Templar 2 1%
    Sum Total 212  

     

     

    Edit: If memory serves these numbers are of unique nations. 

     

    Statistics are one thing ... the human element are another.   Honestly regardless whom the opposition is if the numbers were less it would be disappointing.  If you knew NPOès culture at all we are ALL considered comrades.  WE all are required to fight regardless of our postion within our culture. Our targets are not assigned as per a i like him or hate him basis. I would not be surprised as well if you look at the MI6 stats if we did not have the most wars as well and if not at least the top 2.  Even myself i am sure i had 1 or 2 targets from TPF but that does not mean I had hate or resentment .. just means for that round they were the targets given. Heck if you talk to mirkusmc  one of my last wars in that conflict he can tell you we had a conversation were i said to him i did not like having to war you guys but at the same time he and i went at it as we would of been expected to do respectfully.  He was one of it not the best wars i had fought and had fun with him.  At the end we wished each other well,  It was not even a matter of who won or lost but we had respect for each other when it was over.  You can keep going on and on and twist anything to perception. It is done everyday in this realm and will never stop. Statistics can always be analyzed and manipulated to ones own perception but no one can question the human element to something. 

     

     

  16. A Valentine from TPF

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    42 minutes ago, memoryproblems said:

     

    If only we had just grown apart and went our separate ways, but you and I both know damn well that's not the full story. Friends drift apart all the time, that's a part of life & you move on. 

     

    But you start thinking about things like the feeling on our side that since the treaty was resigned, we made a number of sacrifices on your behalf, yet at no point were we really any better off for having the treaty.  I was really upset to think about how there was multiple conversations around 2013-14 within TPF about walking away from NPO and forgeing a new path, only to have NPO pull the wool over our eyes once more and tell us everything was going to be just great.

     

    But it wasn't just two old friends parting ways, you attacked us pre-emptively with a god damn crudely drawn comic strip. 

     

    You did to us something I doubt we could have ever done to you. In my head, I can't help but think that had the roles been reversed, we would have done everything we could to avoid direct conflict with you, for a long long time if not forever, based on the history that we shared. 

     

     

     

     

    I wanted to address this point specifically - 

     

    As far as why we've gone this route, you need to understand that TPF is an alliance of old people, those of us who are not old - are tired. The more that I think about it, this isn't entirely rooted in revenge - we had gotten to a point where continuing didn't make a lot of sense, the last war just framed our situation more clearly, and revenge only gave us an opportunity to put what would have otherwise been lost in inactivity to use. 

     

    I know I put a lot of thought into trying to think of a way to make TPF work in the future, and I'm sure that others did as well. It wasn't the sort of thought process that revenge was the only thing on our mind and we were willing to throw everything away for even a little bit of payback. We just didn't see ourselves having the time or ability to make the changes we would need to have a meaningful future - and with the trend of things, I'm not sure that time and ability would have been enough. It then became a question of moving on, and so many of us found that there really wasn't much to keep us around aside from TPF. 

     

     

    On the bolded ... yes we pre-empted and to be honest i would say that having the relationship we had that wold be us knowing that you are a very loyal bunch and regardless of any one wish you would have entered. In a way that is saying we had the respect for you and would think that we would get the jump on you.  Pre-emps are a part of war.. IT has happened to us and others as well.  As for the wording i totally agree .. it was not written with our past taken into consideration ( i may get in !@#$ for that stating ) and that is in a personal statement.  I am would say there are others whom prob feel the same way and i would hope that maybe some of our Gov  may have said something to you.THe rest memory i respect your thoughts and understand.  I dont think it is just you or TPF that suffer from the inactivity.  We aall wish that we could return back to even 5 years ago when the game still had some life.  Maybe it is up to ourselves ... maybe by in some way contacting old players maybe to come and mentor or something .. who knows .. regardless i would rather be having these converstations than what was happening for most of this thread.  

  17. A Valentine from TPF

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    1 minute ago, Judge X said:

    What it would really take is Sengoku Jidai, an age of warfare. In my studies of Bushido and Japanese history, sometimes when things stagnate it takes for sone rules to change to incite a scrambling for a new power. 

     

    There ya go .. maybe someone will get it and move forward :) ..

  18. A Valentine from TPF

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    1 minute ago, Judge X said:

    I really don't have the time to do it. Between work, a 16 year old on the verge of making her Olympic cut in swim that swims 7 days a week, working out, and multiple women that are upset that they aren't getting enough time I get 3-5 hours of sleep a night. I don't have the hours and hours it takes on IRC and visiting forums to orchestrate change. I know where to stay and with whom, but my days are done. 

     

    I here ya there ... but as well what i said does not have to be you .. i agree some old timers have done their time and it is up to the newer generation step up.  With that in mind mentoring them youngins works i would think :) ..  ooc... good luck to the swim thing i hope your youngin does well.

  19. A Valentine from TPF

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    17 minutes ago, Judge X said:

     

    Exactly. It is just sad that so many are too weak or too afraid to wreck their nation to save all of Bob. That is why we set out to make a unified example on the way out. To sow discord and show that NPO doesn't need to be feared. That any alliance can make a difference with determination and focus once they shed those who are more concerned with saving their pixels, which are going to be deleted soon enough anyways. Bob is dying and fear of chaos to spice things up by the weak is killing it faster. 

     

    Many good alliances that want to be good treaty partners are adding to problem. They don't agree, but they won't stand up to the industrial political complex that is NPO for fear of their own alliances well being.

     

    Eventually you will all be in the position we are in so take heed. We stagnated because the political field was stagnant. People scrambled and squabbled and begged in order to not get beat down. I did so myself, but then there came a point where it was like, $%&@ it, and TPF started to buck the system. We were forced into a war by NG bending NPO to force us to attack a treaty partners, treaty partner. At that moment all the lies and weakness in the system that WE have built here became apparent. What TPF meant to NPO became apparent. I left, walked away, thankful that I could lose myself at work and let my nation slip away into inactivity. I left just one instruction or I never would have returned. Activate me when NPO attacks. 

     

    Yes it certainly was partly our fault in TPF that our relationship died, but I'll not claim 50% as NPO would like. It is NPO and their cronies fault. They have stagnated Bob and the rest of you are helping.

     

    In our fight to crawl or if the hole of curb stumps I never wanted to be one to hand one out to anyone, except in extenuating circumstances where they were detrimental to the whole community. Admittedly I am ashamed that TPF stayed as long as we did in the last war that I was around for. I am so glad that NG and the rest hated me for my refusals to protect their pixels. 

     

    Each and every alliance that piles on us only shows what we ate saying is truth. Badly built nations are not or fault, they are yours, own it and take your licks and stop being a !@#$%* about it. 

     

    The trust thing I ever read here. Peace is a lie. 

     

    Finally a post of sense. This is the old TPF that we had that good relationship with and thanks for saying yes to being partly to blame.  The amount of blame even i can admit is particial to perception.  We all get that.  And believe me in saying TPF did mean a lot to us. Not as a meat shield as perceived but as a good ally that was loyal and stood by thick and thin.  Personally when we cancelled on you I was one of the many from the older nations that did not like it one bit.  Losing a good ally such s yourself is and was hard to take. I wish to this day we could work things out and become what we were. That will happen if it is meant to be but if it does not TPF will always be remembered personally as them whom one could depend on    Even now seeing what TPF is doing is hard to take cause regardless of the future I had hope that you guys would take the energy you got now to be great agian. ( i Know dumb ass take off Trump) but that is the truth.  It is unfortunate that you have taken this past as I know if done another way you could of maybe been that leader of the other side to rally a force against the current situation.  We all choose a path ... NPO choose theirs and you choose yours.  It is what it is and hopefully at some point we can all move on from it.  

  20. A Valentine from TPF

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    Just now, Thrash said:

     

    Except the change this time is it's going to go away because of you and your ilk. Congrats on your victory.

     

    Seriously Thrash no one has won anything yet ... there is a theory for every problem there is a solution .... it is finding the way to the answer that makes the changes ..

     

    to put it oddly ... golf is a game to get the ball in the hole ... to find the hole you need to search for the best path to get to the hole in as few strokes as possible ... right now people are slicing the ball and giving up .. but with a change in your swing you can make the straight shot.  

     

     

  22. A Valentine from TPF

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    6 minutes ago, Thrash said:

     

    Who's gonna be left for them to fight considering you've treatied everyone who is already treatied to everyone? The rest of us ain't gonna be around much longer. Isolation was okay when there was lots of people here. Now, you're just wrecking Bob.

     

    game always changes in some way .

  23. A Valentine from TPF

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    7 hours ago, Vol Navy said:

     

    This is the dumbest line of logic ever. You have 2000 and 3000 day old nations without any clue on how to fight and who apparently buy 1 wonder a year. Your other nations had 5000 infra to my 2500 when I declared and over 5 days they've combined to launch 3 or 4 cruise missiles while your allies, who are actually worse off than them, do all the fighting.

     

    Also, you idiots are yapping about your great victories on here all the time when you're fighting alliances with a 50-1 nation and nation strength advantage. 

     

    As for all of them who are weak in your alliance, I think Will Munney said it best when Little Bill told him he'd just shot an unarmed man "Well, he shoulda armed himself if he was gonna decorate his establishment with my friend Ned."

     

    Your nations should have armed themselves if you're alliance is going to aggressively pre-empt someone who bled for you most of their time on Bob.

     

    Sure we have some that are inexperienced ... does not matter the age it is the effort at times depending on their role in NPO they have selected and chosen their growth rate.  With that in mind I would like to think then you are our best friend in helping and mentoring these nations to become stronger and more defined in their skills so I salute you for that :) ..

  25. A Valentine from TPF

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    2 hours ago, leeguy said:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Wait what exactly was unprovoked about this? Do you really think that your most loyal ally would just suddenly declare war on poor ol NPO for absolutely no reason at all?

     

     

     

     

    see them bold letters there ... WE ARE NOT ALLIES SON >>> WE BROKE UP OVER A YEAR AGO >>>> sorry to have to tell you ....

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