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7 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said:
I've thought about whether these wars might be my fault, and perhaps to an extent they are because I dare to dream of an alliance free of exploitation and tyranny. But considering that Supernova X was brutally attacked during the Doom war despite the fact I had been expelled weeks prior by the corrupt High Court, I can't but conclude that it is something inherent about SNX itself that causes us to defend ourselves so often.
Perhaps we are the bullied kid of CN, relentlessly attacked over and over because we don't have the right friends, or simply because we are different. If so, instead of whining about it, we simply became completely militarized. I can't think of any other alliance that went from a democratic, divided government model, to a military-first authoritarian government within two years of founding.
Perhaps I will accept your word that this was not intentional, but considering our past history we can never assume this is the case.
I dont think the Doom war had much to do with you if i am recalling right? ... I think the stuff you have brought upon yourself is more recent since you ressurected SNX from the coup you so joyously keep pounding about
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1 minute ago, RightHonorable said:
That had nothing to do with it, after the negotiations regarding Scotland I and everyone else there realized that you impeded those negotiations with your bluster.
And to think he thinks it is the tech that is isolating his AA.
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13 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said:
If our members were afraid of war we would have disbanded many wars ago. We cannot help that we are the besieged proverbial white city on a hill; those with the strength of character to fight back do so, those who cannot we wish the best of luck elsewhere.
The day I launch a wrongful war of aggression is the day I will be shamed from this world, this is not that day.
Aggression is not just a click of the war button but it can also be considered aggression just with words as well such as threatening someones allies for sending aid to a ally. Hence what started this conversation in the first place. Do you understand now ?
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2 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said:
Let's not forget the Imperium was attacked here, and let's not pretend that we are some aggressor. I support peace, if peace may be, and Galerion has full authority to negotiate it.
But a declaration that we will defend ourselves against aggression is not a "threat," I would rather consider it a promise. We cannot hope to win in the upper tier against those with massively greater tech stockpiles, but we can shrink our combat profile and hit below the belt: this is our only real deterrence and it must be communicated.
added something above ... but as well stunting your growth maybe detremental to your members taking away their free will to do what they want to their nations.. Sure loyalty to ones AA is allways important but as well loyalty with some freewill allows growth with both interanl and external benifits. And if your going to keep putting your members at risk of not being able to grow as individuals then you will lost them as well. That is part of your reason to be isolated i would think to.
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14 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said:
Feel free to point to any example where the Imperium has been a liability to any of our allies. As I recall since I've been here we have never requested military support in a losing war. I write speeches because that is my job as the representative of the Imperium's ideological Will, so if you can only point to speeches as a problem rather than actual policy, maybe that's why this world is seen as so bland and stagnant by the masses.
I don't too. That is part of the responsibility of being a good leader. One is to sit down and reflect what they have done and look at oneself to see if they have accomplished good for their members. What i see from you is many instances where you have been told the same words i am speaking and done nothing about it and the same cycle keeps happening. If you look at all the Alliances on the top end of the scale they have all learned from mistakes or have not settled but adapted to the times and made changes. How do they do that. Quietly and by self evaluation and plan things to make themselves better internally and externally. Meaning the take responsibility for their own actions which is something you seem to lack as any time you talk you use the victim angle or self justification side. Good luck Junka cause whatever happens with your current situation here i am sure the rest of the world looks at your threats above and will never forget them. The future you have brought about on yourself. That is what it means by responsibility for leadership
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4 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said:
My persona has never changed... so long as people leave us alone they have nothing to fear from me. The producerist code is similar to the old Moralist one. Can you show me where I have ever launched a war of aggressiom that was not supported by a valid Casus Belli? Or where I have ever imposed ludicrous terms on a defeated alliance?
My thinking is completely rational. My priority is peace, but for peace to be possible one must be prepared for war. The Imperium has long been deliberately isolated from the treaty web and it is fair to assume that there are powers that desire our annihilation, especially considering our ideological focus on fair tech rates. But my background should prove that I am will to fight long wars to the fullest extent possible, it's just a matter of aggressors gambling whether my members feel the same.
I know my members better than people who could care less whether they exist in this world, so I know where I place my bets.
Your isolation has nothing to do with the tech issues .... It is your speech writing and constant irrational speaking that has been doing that. No one wants to sit and baby sit someone whom is irrational says the things you do. For someone whom wants to sit in peace you certainly spew jibberish and promote with your constant links Imperial war mongering and war based propaganda. Seriously if you think your isolation is due to tech rates then again you have lost the reality of rational thinking and are living in a word of dillusion and fantasy .. By all means believe what you want but i am sure i am not the first that has pointed this out or will be the last.
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2 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said:
I was the first boots on the ground in Polar and purged several tech dealers as part of Dajobo's decree. This strategy has become part of the Imperium's fighting doctrine when facing a war of extermination.
Sengoku's allies can do whatever they want. If Sengoku cannot sort out peace with my second in command then we have the option to take whatever measures necessary to eliminate an existential threat to the Imperium. Nationstrength is not of consequence; sovereignty and Will is.
Sure i know you were with Polar and all but that is not the point .....What is the point your make yourself a easy target with the threats and talk you do. declaring war on a bloc mostly does not serve the purpose you want to achieve .. and seeing the posts before mine it seems to me that Seg is willing to make peace and amends but you just jumped the gun with your words. Seriously ... given your past one just may have to question your ability to lead any more that maybe it is time you step back for awhile. In your own words " It has been said that with great power comes great responsibility, " and right now you are not showing rational or repsonsible thinking. Personally your showing more madness than anything and in history them that achieved great things started showing your personna at this point and they got pounced and their people ended up in a worse state than what they began.
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First off i would say the Dajabo Doctrine you referred i beleive was just for the war at hand at that time and i am almost sure Polaris would not take you copying something that is their internal function. Second you seriously telling Segnokus allies what they can and can not do ? ... Oh boy time to get the popcorn out.
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7 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said:
No man serves as my master. EZI couldn't change that, nor could the arrogance of tyrants. Free men stand beside me here in the Imperium, and that's all I could ever ask for.
In all honesty. In general i have found that if one makes a mistake ... maybe not debating things to try and put something on someone else and owning up to ones own mistake usually makes things easier to get through. I do not think in this case any one is trying to be your master at all. You yourself are bringing this upon yourself for the words you speak. As for you men being free ... well it looks to me they themselves are under siege and not free at this point. In other words the martyr or victim persona you are trying to preach at this point is not letting your men be free.
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13 hours ago, Alex0827a said:
[insert flag later, tablet isn't good for this]
For the purposes of full disclosure:
Emperor Mic left SPATR on the 21st while in peace mode. No history of active wars, no signs of any trouble. He asked to join us on the 29th, we said yes. Then yesterday, I get a pm from Auctor basically saying "he's on our target list, kick him or we'll attack you." For those of you who actually know me, you will recognize that threats are an awful way to go about getting anything from me. I told him I'm 100% against that, and here's my reasoning:
Mic has no history of wars with anyone, let alone Sengoku.
Sengoku's last active war with SPATR was on June 3rd, so it's hard to believe that it's anything more than just a hobby for them.
They waited a couple days, so obviously it wasn't important enough to follow him closely.
Technically, they should be declaring on KoN for the same reason, as they accepted Mic as a member.
Nobody who currently has an active war with SPATR has contacted me in any way saying that this was an issue.
Now, I personally prefer to fight, but that's not how TSC runs. I asked for a day to discuss it with the membership, because that's how we make important decisions. Auctor seemed agreeable, but then I woke up to find that Mic had been attacked.
In summary, The Sandstorm Confederacy hereby recognizes a state of active war with Sengoku. Given their tech levels, I don't necessarily expect us to come out on top, but we can't let anyone attack someone on our AA without thorough discussion first, and this was not the case.
Maybe this time they won't feel the need to call in Pacifica and Umbrella just to handle us. Or maybe they will, because that's just what Oculus does. I used to like Sengoku, but I guess that was just hart (who I still like).
Signed for The Sandstorm Confederacy
Alex0827a - Elder of Travel
ConRed - Elder of the Treasury
Satan1612 - Elder of Organization
veracity - Elder of War
eXcessium - Tribal Elder
Emperor Mic Definitely was at war ... i know as i was one of the first to actually hit him. Now reading this twice or three times over, the one thing i see lacking which i know most alliances do is that i notice you never say when Emperor Mic joined your alliance you yourself had gone anywhere to see if he was currently still a target. If this is not your policy then that is not on the alliances that are at war with Spatr or Mongols but actually on yourself for not checking out fully a applicant to your AA. Now for someone whom says he wants to fight it seems to me you looking at gaining sympathy which in this case i doubt you will achieve do to posting you want to fight anyways. As for Seg calling in Umbrella and NPO to deal with this well as i recall we did as well declare on Spatr( i was one of the first to hit Emperor MIc so no real recalling) ..they really would not have to call them in as he is still a target to them as well.
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25 minutes ago, Lord Hitchcock said:
When interviewing demon spawn, I asked him how the talks were, specifically with non grata and NPO, post leakage and he said they were 'akward'.
so a completely transparent picture you're attempting to paint never occurred.
and judging by this thread, the 'hails' are simply people hoping to pull away an oculus connection like a pack of hungry dogs.
No one is painting anything ... ALL leaders i am sure have had the same kinda chats all the time ...even then they are a continiuous thing and if taken out of the full context can be twisted and constructed to a different interpretation ... just like your show .. you are giving your own speculation of what it means .. does not mean your right or wrong but only the people that have been talking know the truth behind what we do not hear.
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Speculation and twisting something to your own thoughts does not give the full context of the scenario .. personally i would listen to the posts that are telling you that two leaders and allies owe it to each other to be up front update possiblities of things that may or may not occur ... Judgements from one conversation does not dictate events that may or may not have happened 6 months to a year before. WIth that in mind speculation is okay as long as you dont state it as fact without knowing the whole facts invovled.
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19 minutes ago, XxHouseArrestXx said:
I thought this was a DoW! Shame on you! You'll be receiving a strongly worded letter from me.
This is hawt though, very hawt.
o/ NADC
o/ Sparta
Give it 24 hours
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First i want to say well done again Smurf as it seems you have put yourself in the middle of another log style dump. I am beginning to really wonder whom this Alex the Great dude is. Considering that the DoWs did come out and two AA leaders discussing or co ordinating in April from stuff that probally happened for time before that like the last year i think one month is not so bad for co ordination. As well two leaders talking about something that is to help the game maybe become more interesting does not seem to be a bad thing as it is better than having some say how do we kill the game. Just a interesting thought on a personal note.
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I am thinking that the reason for MI6 having the target on that back is more for something which was said a year or to ago by Rush if i recall. When they formed they more or less they started trying to take the persona of MK more or less. The difference is MK always had the firepower and political clout to be able to do what they did. MI6 has not really had anything close to that except maybe for the war after EQ which was basically a stomp and they rode the coat tails of others. Until they come to the realization they are not MK or can some how ( undo able) get the political clout or even change what people have been saying for the last 3 years or so they will probably continue to be on the radar of most
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i am just curious as to how one would get a hold of a convo between two people that seems in private without any one else in the private conversation .. specially without time stamps of when this did happen
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2 hours ago, the rebel said:
I thought Pacifica didn't hold long grudges anymore?
Not that it matters as many were bored silly at Invicta with lack of war.
this was not the intent ... was in reference to someone else and post about old allies hitting old allies ...
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26 minutes ago, Van Hoo III said:
Hey, man. I bought wonders this time. You read that, you crusty old crab? WONDERS.
On the topic of peacemode. Yes, it is absolutely sound strategy. You want as many people as you can to be able to fight on their own terms an not on your enemy's and to be able to pick and choose the targets that will maximize damage, even if you're on the receiving end of an overwhelming beating.
In my opinion though, alliance leaders (no matter how crappy their nation is) should lead the charge and stay out, at least for the first round. For me, if you're going to ask your members to shed pixels then you should be doing the same. I can't fathom sitting in peacemode while the nations who trust me and my decisions burn.
Having said that, Chim being in peacemode is between him and his members. If MI6 gov and membership are fine with it, then the opinion of the world at large (mine included) is inconsequential.
I agree the yes alliances do have their right to their own Sovereignty and all but .. to the world i would think it is relevant to as how you would perceive a leader if seeking in the future relations. If a leader sits and lets his people burn would another AA look at it as how can we trust this person to fight for us if he lets his own burn?
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Just now, berbers said:
Was it Polar and Umbrella?
now now .. think about that former allies hitting former allies thing for 50 alex lol
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10 minutes ago, Thrash said:
While this linked thread sets off a lightbulb over my head, Invicta still did not cancel on NPO.
We know that but don't let the kids down with their perception of events ... you may cause a complex for them that may be detrimental to uniformed posting
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1 minute ago, Wayfarer said:
Why do NPO have a habit of forgetting that little thing in 2009..... where the only alliance that didn't cancel on NPO was Invicta....what was it... oh, that's right, the so-called "Armageddon" war. I'm not saying alliances can't move on politically. If Invicta was spying or something then go right ahead. I'm just saying that attacking your most loyal allies for no reason is a dick move. I hope NPO's current allies take note.
Well for one .. cept for the Red sphere Agreement we have not really been allies for a long time. 3 years i think ? ... and with the recent move from the Red Sphere distance agian was made further. Seems to me that the conception is that because of at some time in this world so and so were allies so there is not right to future wars. Seriously if you keep going this slant then there would be absolutely no wars in this game. And with your logic maybe TBC and MI6 should not be at war since at one time they are all former comrades from the same alliance .. seriously dude ... you want to keep searching for a legitimate beef please ..
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32 minutes ago, Wayfarer said:
I don't know the specifics about your previous scuffles. There may have been excellent reasons for fighting Invicta (although knowing NPO, I doubt it.) But due to your common history, I think you could do them the courtesy of not attacking them for no reason, given that they stood by you when the entire planet wanted your blood. Then again at the time I predicted NPO would turn on Invicta (and TPF) eventually and thought their devotion was stupid. Why would anyone die for the NPO, given the way they have treated their allies throughout history?
OOC: I'm not going to congratulate you IC, but I thought your comeback to Azaghul was pretty good.
why do people forget the War after EQ .. lets see .. the one where NG NSO and who was ... oh NPO got dog piled and what was one of the AA's that hit them ? ... oh ya it was......
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Congrats gents ... hope all is well o/
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2 hours ago, Vladimir Poutine said:
I was not upset when Polar signed with NG. Instead I saw it as a prudent, political move. They saw Doom as the biggest threat to their security (and justifiably so), so they signed with an Oculus alliance in order to secure their position.
They sold out when they signed with Pacifica. That is what infuriated me and has caused me to nearly double my post count in the last few hours.
I dont know how working at trying to resolve past differences is selling out. If anything it shows resolve to work on mistakes of the past to become better and be able to move forward. Something i think some whom are getting what they are today seem to dont understand .. or else they would not be in the position they are in today. Just Saying
Not that it matters as many were bored silly at Invicta with lack of war.
Imperium Decree regarding Sengoku
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
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Agian i may be wrong but i think it was more due to them disbanding or seperating and some used it as more a raiding thing .. personally i was not around for that bit but agian i am sure i will be corrected if need be ... again my point is since YOU YOURSELF have been leadership you have been making the mistakes many have mentioned aside from me.