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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='14 June 2010 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1276542558' post='2337404'] [color="#0000FF"]Actually the burden of proof lays on you. You have not provided any evidence to show the NO was a first or second tier alliance, thus it cannot be assumed that was the case until it is proven. Considering that I am a bit of an authority on history in these parts, due to my great memory and history of connections, I do know what I am talking about. You might have "raced" for a sanction, but you never came anywhere close. I can "race" for being the number one nation with some like, say Penkala, but we're both small. We are nowhere near the top. So really, your little "race" meant nothing. Novus Orbus disbanded in 2007. CIS was still a small alliance. It did not become mid-tier until 2008, when it got rolled and disbanded. Even then it was nowhere near reaching sanctioned status. I think your fondness for your old alliance may be clouding your judgment. And for that reason you are looking at NO with far more grandeur than it ever truly had.[/color] [/quote] Trming it as a 2nd tier alliance is not a term of grandeur, like your latin skills using simle tranlator tools does not enable you to know latin, true as this is true also is the fact that ive proved with my member count with my treays and alliances we were connected with around the time of "yeah that sanction race" that yes we very much were a 2nd tier alliance. The fact of the matter remains that Racing for a sanction is never an open field, to do such requires more than what a thrid tier alliance would ever have, this whole time i have not named the alliance as anything it wasnt, i stood firm in the concept that indeed it was a 2nd tier alliance and nothing more, we could really have been classed as thrid tier ever. Name me a Thrid tier alliance with 150 members? Youve failed to impress anything on me other the fact that you philosphy and ideas of justice are as hypocrital as your statements in the sense that keep running over the same old material and changing said statements to try and hand on to a debate that was over as soon as you opened your mouth. **second half of the italy game coming up....ill address your latest statement then thats if you wish to continue trying to impress your flawed idea that we were a 3 tier alliance on me.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='14 June 2010 - 06:10 PM' timestamp='1276538994' post='2337345'] [color="#0000FF"]I was actually quite loyal to the NPO in my time there, and many can attest. I was actually a bit of a fanatic back then. I was also quite competent at my job. Now, a few things, I did not make mistakes. I uncovered a few aid falls IRON to Legion and ASC to GATO that would otherwise have gone unnoticed. And more importantly I did have a ton of resources. I had a rather large staff, and quite a few tools. Let me tell you, when I say I watched everything I mean it. It was an impressive operation I was heading, and NO was watched. Were you watched as closely as say our historical enemies or some of the larger alliances out there? No. Not at all. But we did know your size, and it was no where near sanctioned status. If it were I would know. Face it, NO never became that big. It never became second tier. Third tier would be more appropriate. Anyway, you keep on bringing up the CN Wiki. I have no idea where to start a search for that, so why don't you give me the link? Edit: I checked your Wiki. NO had about 750k NS on average throughout its later history. That was not as unimpressive as it is today back then, but trust be pumpkin, it was nowhere near the big dogs even then. NO was not as big and important as you seem to think it was.[/color] [/quote] Your simply repeating yourself, your showing me nothing of substance to dis-prove that we were most definitley 2nd tier. so your views on "justice" are as flawed as your ideas on Novus Orbus, in an earlier statement you said Novus Orbus was not watched and you just retracted that there now. In fairness you lost this debate as soon as you made your first statement. And as you did find the CN Wiki i suggest reading it.....maybe the part that says includes the lines C.I.S and Novus-Orbus racing for a sanction. A sanction would have made us a 1st tier alliance, so a race for one would surely mean that at the least we are a 2nd tier alliance, also for the record i have no idea who wrote that on wiki but it wasnt me, therefore im not only making this statement unbacked, i am also quoting another source. Your Orbus statement- it means world or order....Therefore i conclude that indeed you actully do know nothing....that staement was just a bonus.

[quote name='Teen Terminator' date='14 June 2010 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1276538212' post='2337334'] I don't think my alliance is providing enough for me. I have time and time again sent messages to our leaders and no response back. I would like to join a new alliance that will find my interests and the alliances interests the same. Please post here with a description of your alliance and i will message you in the forum. [b]PS: My alliance took us into a war to aid one of our allies which literally destroyed half of our nations[/b]. Thanks [font="Palatino Linotype"]Teen Terminator[/font] [/quote] Got any admin experience at all??

[quote name='Kzoppistan' date='14 June 2010 - 04:34 PM' timestamp='1276533227' post='2337261'] No, you should start a brand new alliance that is fresh and interesting. [/quote] Well in a way i am its new with regard to the charter im retaining the name thou cause i got it tattooed on my leg, so to me its alot than name its a philosophy, The spirt of the alliance.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='13 June 2010 - 11:12 PM' timestamp='1276470702' post='2336462'] Now I really have seen it all. Someone trying to use the "You're a n00b" argument against RV. Wowie. [/quote] HA.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='14 June 2010 - 01:21 AM' timestamp='1276478458' post='2336583'] [color="#0000FF"]This may come as a bit of a shock to you, but I was around. In fact, I was the NPO's Director of Intelligence. So believe me, I know a great deal about the alliances of old. I remember which words were relevant because I had a close eye kept on every alliance present in the game at that time (it was much easier then as there were much less alliances today, although there was an explosion in alliances in late 2006 and early 2007, it is nowhere near as bade as it is today). Let me tell you that NO was not on my list of closely watched alliances. I cannot tell you what your stats were, but I can tell you that if you were not relevant you were not watched. Tell me, why is NO not spoken about today? NAAC is brought up still, as are LUE, CDS, and others. ICP, ICSN, SWF, S37, and those other commie splinter alliances were watched. OIN, FCO, MDC, TAGA, USN, ONOS, UGO, the Syndicate, BTA, and NAACbbs were other small alliances from the time worth remembering. And I remember them all, and their place in the world. I too remember NO, and its place. Trust me, I have no dislike for NO. Since did nothing I have no bias towards it, but you, as a former leader and founder seem to remember it with much more greatness than it actually had. Hence why I point out the flaws in your statements.[/color] [/quote] Theres nothing Flawed about my statement, We came from nowhere to become a very feesable alliance in a matter of a few short months, the fact of the matter is if we were not on your list then failed at your job, which would not surpise me as you stated in blog that in my words "you have no loyality" to what ever alliance your part of, only to yourself fronted sense of justice. Therefore your "job" as "NPO's Director of Intelligence" Was one you obviously would not have taken seriously at all as your own sense of "justice" would have *rendered your job nothing more than a simple title. Yes we were not the Goons or NPO we were not a top tier sanctioned alliance, but i never said we were in fact in a previous statement i hightlighted this fact: Rebel Virginia, on 13 June 2010 - 06:49 PM, said: Also, Novus Orbus never came close to getting a sanction. If you did you would have been remembered and people would have cared when you disbanded. Novus Orbus was always a second (or third) rate alliance. I mean, you couldn't even get into the NDF, and they let any alliance in. You had to go off and found the Network which was an even worse bloc than NDF. Go on the CN-WIKI then make your comments, we were in a sanction race with C.I.S thats a fact, also the network approached us we didnt approach them and we didnt join because i to be honest i didnt really see eye to eye with some of the other alliance leaders, yes ive made mistakes im a passionate person everyday of the week and when it came to my alliance it was doubled. 2nd rate ill take that!! So therefore i never reconigised my alliance than anything other that a 2nd tier alliance and surely in that tier it was a front runner, so i therefore simply say that your job if done at all would have been directly gathering intel on 1st tier alliances, why would the NPO waste time on monitoring any alliance not in that the top flight it would be a waste of there resourses as the threat level from 2nd tier alliances would be considerably lower. I conclude: Your Loyality serves only yourself, which would seriously affect your job performance, on-top of that NPO would not waste resourses on "low Threat" "2nd Tier" alliances. Your own sense of "justice" would surely be a factor as intel minister you would surely encroach On the "freedoms" of other nations. Therefore you are ethier awful at your job or a massive hypocrite.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='13 June 2010 - 09:45 PM' timestamp='1276465541' post='2336406'] [color="#0000FF"]CIS never was close to a sanction either, so racing them really didn't mean anything. Still, no matter how many members you had, it doesn't change the fact NO had no influence whatsoever, and never did anything worth remembering. It really is no surprise that alliance is mostly forgotten.[/color] [/quote] We did lots of worth while things we were prob the fastedst growing alliance in the history of CN and yeah we did race for a sanction what were you even here like 3 and half years ago when this was all happening?? my guess is were you prob were not....im sure a great deal of alliance out there will have known us but the landscape has changed an awful lot since then....you really gota bera that in mind when addressing a topic like this....if you were not around then then you cant honestly know... GOONS were really big then as to the NpO and the NPO they basicly controled loads....some things change somethings dont but 1 fact remains we were more than a worthwile alliance with a top member count of nearly 150 thats active to because i had removed loads of inactive nations around that time....so can you honestly say we were not worth wile when you were still learning how to type with 2 hands??

*** NOW OPEN *** Recruiting all types be you a cat or a dog or even a platapus duck your more than welcome here!! ** really thou if your a dog, cat or a platpus duck your not bloodly wanted you animals disgust me!! ** On a more postive note....WERE OPEN...YAY!!

To be Frank....Well Tosh...im tired of the rights and wrongs that the past has brought up, any past mistakes i may have made i am sorry for, regardsless of the vote...or perhaps maybe because of the vote....i will bring Novus-Orbus back. And i truely hope im great with past mistakes forgotten, im passionate that brings its own problems, i can be quick to fly of the handle, well atleast that used to be the case, im alot older and thankfully wiser than i was in my younger days when passion alone controled my every action. Anyway myself and Novus-Orbus are sorry if we wronged anyone or alliance out there we ask that you can all accept this, i know some of you may have a problem doing so to them i say...come on,...come on oh come on man gone ahead, gone man, oh come on come on lol Anyway all joking aside Novus-Orbus will reform and we hope we are greeted friendly as we intend to be. *Really-Why cant we all just get along.* Anyone requesting looking to hold talks and would like to form an embassy please contact me via PM. Thanks people, i know they be haters out there but lifes to short generate that hate into music or something grab a guitar start playing letting go of hate is opening doors to a brighter future....naw im only playing wid ya...GET OVER IT lol...joking thou what i said befor was good ill stick to that. Regards Tosh.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='13 June 2010 - 06:49 PM' timestamp='1276454953' post='2336299'] [color="#0000FF"]Also, Novus Orbus never came close to getting a sanction. If you did you would have been remembered and people would have cared when you disbanded. Novus Orbus was always a second (or third) rate alliance. I mean, you couldn't even get into the NDF, and they let any alliance in. You had to go off and found the Network which was an even worse bloc than NDF.[/color] [/quote] Go on the CN-WIKI then make your comments, we were in a sanction race with C.I.S thats a fact, also the network approached us we didnt approach them and we didnt join because i to be honest i didnt really see eye to eye with some of the other alliance leaders, yes ive made mistakes im a passionate person everyday of the week and when it came to my alliance it was doubled. 2nd rate ill take that!! ** P.S like your blog lol naw i really do your not a bad ole spud, just like debating til the cows come home is all. I got thing dis-order known as the im-right-your-wrong syndrome lmao **

[quote name='Haflinger' date='13 June 2010 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1276436730' post='2336122'] lol Invicta did not exist when Novus Orbus was protected by Nordreich. Dawny and DoubleU, who later became Invicta's founders, were members of Novus Orbus at that time. They founded Invicta after you came back from France. A few members of NO joined them, as is normal with splinter alliances. However they were also your two best recruiters, and stayed being awesome recruiters after leaving. [/quote] They were good guys alright when i was there when i came back from france i only popped in a few times then came back again when invicta was formed and there was a whole big mess about the protectate with Nor.

Good show, good luck with the change and may the alliance flourish on new ground. Black sphere is a little (<<understated) unfriendly.

[quote name='greene345' date='13 June 2010 - 03:19 AM' timestamp='1276399163' post='2335746'] Me thinks you're right.... [/quote] Or maybe not staring it at all

Justice is best left to the Law and to the courts, i agree power in a corrupting force, but not all power is corrupting take jesus for example look at all the good he did I agree with only what i know to be true in certain alliances, that is this: That people in power wish to retain that power, Checks are put in place to ensure they do, Democratic is only a word, Corruption is everywhere. You show me any world leader that hasnt got some dirt on his hands somewhere along the line and ill show you poverty,murder, and hate. Nothing will every change and certainly total anarchy wont solve anything ethier, Justice whats justice but an apple of of a tree. Justice does not excist it never has its word like freedom placed to control to programme the masses into believe that there is such a thing. If there was any justice in the world there would be poverty, no crime, no murder, because real justice has no boarders. I conclude with this: Life is moments in time with choices attached, choose to conform or choose not to. WE didnt write the rules, we cant re-write them, we simply choose to wether or not we will conform to them.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' date='13 June 2010 - 08:05 AM' timestamp='1276416340' post='2336036'] lol Wait, what? Who is this guy and what is Novus-Orbus? [/quote] Yeah EDIT: all VE comments are to be changed to Invicta. Sorry mate havnt been on in ages confused the names a little VE and invicta popped into me head and i got them mixed up. **PLEASE NOTE**- In all posts VE was ment to be invicta. No offence ment bud.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='12 June 2010 - 11:31 PM' timestamp='1276385496' post='2335507'] I don't really understand this post. Are you saying that Novus Orbus had been taken over by VE, and that's why you deleted their forums? OK this is hilarious beyond belief. I didn't know we had such a good relationship with VE. Hey guys! (For the uninformed. Novus Orbus is the alliance that Invicta came from; our two founders Dawny and DoubleU were ex-NO, along with about three or four early members. Lake didn't like us much in the early days. When the people in NO's gov got tired of his shens, they realized that we didn't hate them, and they signed an MDP with us and joined the then very young CDT. Lake still held root admin on their boards, and deleted them.) [/quote] Yeah orry your right, was invicta not VE, been away for such a long time, i remember doubleU breaking away to form it that was fine we maintained reletions and i did what i could to help them out, and for the record i really like doubleU he played a pivotable role the alliance, it all happened when i went away to france i couldnt play no-more they had just broken away and we were getting alot of outside pressure, thats when NoR came intothe picture we signed a protectate, be it good or not, invicta came into the alliance spreading disedent remarks and cohercing members, so that they could fill there alliance up with members from Novus-Orbus. They used Nor as tool to this cause people in general were not happy about the protectate, and credit where its due they managed to bend the will of many to theres and to invicta, thus rendering the forum that i built a tool for invicta. Not only did they coherce my members, basicly nuffify the protectate i had with NoR, backstab me as they were all former trusted members of Novus-Orbus but they went on to use my board as there tool. Now your going to tell me that thats fair, so ofcourse i deleted the forum like i said become use spread like a cancer, people i trusted and be-friended walked all over the top of my alliance, and they did it when i wasnt there cause thats the only time they would have got away with it. So safe your self-rightious slander about deleted the forum because invictas sins were alot worse.

[quote name='Tosh' date='12 June 2010 - 11:54 AM' timestamp='1276343630' post='2334852'] Perhaps this would be better in another foum. [/quote] Yeah i concur.

[quote name='Gopherbashi' date='12 June 2010 - 01:31 PM' timestamp='1276349480' post='2334900'] I should warn you (and a lot of other alliances out there) that a charter merely provides a guideline for how your alliance is operated. Communities are created through camaraderie, not through legislation. [/quote] Yes thats true but we were always about our members more so than anything else when i tell people in my alliance you can contact me about anything at time i mean that id give them a mobile (cell)<for the americans) number if needs be. the spirt of Novus-Orbus was second to none, and that wasnt created by me that was created by the members.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='12 June 2010 - 07:43 PM' timestamp='1276371797' post='2335287'] [color="#0000FF"]Novus Orbis wasn't exactly that great of an alliance. It is not worth bringing back.[/color] [/quote] Well tell all the people that joined us that....we really did go above and beyond for all our members more so than other alliance that ive been in or know of from external affairs. Within 5 weeks of forming we were racing for a sanction <<whats not great about it. there was alot of pride and honour in the allaince, other alliances thought we were push overs not knowing that each and everyone of us would fight to the death for our alliance...i had to leave i moved to france and was working hard on my job...if life had not have intervened i can safely say we would still be here today and thriving!! Edit: maybe Novus Orbis are not worth bringing back but Novus Orbus most certainly are.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='12 June 2010 - 12:54 PM' timestamp='1276347245' post='2334880'] Oh hi there Lake. Planning to delete your alliance's forums again? [/quote] Well there was no choice really it wasnt Novus-Orbus it was VE or some alliance like that, they took over inplaced there ministers and changed loads of things thats why members were dropping like flys....and i must add at this point i had been away for a comsiderable lenght of time...Its was for the good of Novus-Orbus so that the cancer would not spread we still retain a cancer free heart.

You all be haters.... but regardless i think i will press on were HOT man you all hear me HOT!!

Perhaps this would be better in another foum.