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[quote name='William Bonney' timestamp='1302311544' post='2687186'] Yeah, things that happened 3 years ago aren't important are they? I'd figure that someone would be trying to use them as an excuse for a war if they did. [/quote] What's funny is that you guys are the only people crying about how this is revenge for 3 years ago.

[quote name='HHAYD' timestamp='1302296107' post='2687058'] [b]Bold[/b]: Let me explain there are three main tiers of fighters in almost every major alliances. -Upper -Middle -Lower The bolded section is where DH dominated and the italics are where NPO and its allies dominated when the war started: [b]-Upper[/b] [i]-Middle -Lower[/i] Do keep in mind that there's no definite line, you can divide the tiers into as many as you wish. However, only a handful of upper tier fighters can hit the middle tier, middle tier fighters can hit the upper and lower tier, and lower tier fighters can hit the middle. But an entire tire can't engage another tier above or below it. Numbers of members are part of a story, the groups of the various sizes of the members are also part of the story. A 10,000 NS fighter can not engage a 100,000 NS fighter. An alliance with one thousand 10,000 NS fighters and one 100,000 NS fighter can not expect its lone upper tier fighter to be effective when its opponent has five hundred 10,000 NS fighters and five hundred and one 100,000 NS fighters, remember that. [/quote] Thank you for this wonderful lesson in the obvious that does absolutely nothing to combat my argument that you're in an alliance full of cowards. But seeing as directly combating things is a foreign concept to you, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. [quote name='HHAYD' timestamp='1302296107' post='2687058'] Itallic: Oh yes, abandoning a long-time ally as soon as times get rough or because the ally is allied to another alliance. I hope your alliance doesn't do that, does it? Enforcing reps on alliances that entered the war due to only activated treaty ties. I think your alliance is starting to become what it hated in the past if it keeps it up. [i][b]Two wrongs don't make right[/b][/i], remember that as well. [/quote] Is this some sort of bizarre attempt at twisting words? Or do you just post rebuttals to statements that don't exist, then italicize a completely random phrase with hopes that readers won't actually read the source? You'll only win the support of idiots that way, but at least there will be symmetry, I guess.

[quote name='Letum' timestamp='1302280132' post='2686887'] For some of us, it's also useful in taking out 1000 infra per hit. [/quote] Well whenever you're prepared to actually use those 1000 infra nukes let us know.

[quote name='HHAYD' timestamp='1302230297' post='2686481'] [b]Bold[/b]: What is the greater evil? The NPO? Or Doomhouse committing atrocities that rival NPO's past? I wouldn't have taken a side if you didn't decide to pull the BS logical fallacy "Two wrongs make right". [i]Italic[/i]: I do recall TPF paying some reps back during Karma War, and that's quite minor compared to NPO's terms: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=63887 The argument; "OMFG! NPO AND ITS ALLIES FEASTED UPON OUTRAGEOUS REPS!" is void ever sine Karma. I seriously hope you don't believe in multiple punishments for the same crime. [u]Underline[/u]: Put yourself in our shoes and walk for a mile in them. If, suppose, DH's upper tier was outnumbered by more than 1 to 3 and had significantly lower average infra/tech, would they be suicidal enough to throw them against their opponents' overall superior upper tier? I think not. There's a difference between cowardice/incompetent and stupidly/recklessly charging into a hopeless battle only to cause more damage on yourself than your enemy. [/quote] How quickly you change the subject and start arguing against assertions that were never made. I merely pointed out the fallacy of calling receiving reps from alliances that entered via treaty dishonorable. You keep on dragging out the Karma war, though, like losing it somehow makes you immune to all political ramifications henceforth. Your alliance is not a martyr, forever pinned beneath the jackboot of other alliances. Your alliance is one of cowards that, when faced with sizable opposition, huddles in the comforting blanket of peace mode while crying about how mean the world is to you. For example, let's deconstruct that last sentence of yours. You claim that fighting would be charging recklessly into a massacre, where all your nations would be at the mercy of overwhelming numerical superiority. But, did you not have allies? Did you not have those who entered the war to defend you? NPO and its allies enjoyed numerical superiority in the opening stages of the war, but they squandered it by hiding in peace mode and letting their allies burn. Now, after your meatshields have fallen around you, you cry about how oppressed you are, how you are surrounded by bullies picking on a poor, defenseless alliance that was only linked by a treaty, boo hoo and woe! You, your alliance, and your treaty partners have placed yourselves in this disadvantageous position by your own paralyzing fear and inaction. And all the moral arguments in the world won't stop your alliance from burning. For your particular alliance, the only release from this crucible will be reparations. For the NPO, the only release will be battle.

[quote name='HHAYD' timestamp='1302223107' post='2686433'] And how do I know if your alliance and your buddies are going to NOT demand reps? On a second thought, demanding an alliance's certain chunk of members to throw themselves into a meatgrinder for 2-4 weeks of constantly being triple-teamed would be a form of punishment. Eh? We attacked you alright, only because you preemptied NPO. Demanding reps from someone who is only honoring a treaty, how honorable. On a third thought... You claim that you aren't seeking reps, but want reps from us for defending NPO? What this I don't even... [/quote] Take a look, ladies and gentlemen. In this post, we see the epitome of an NPO bootlicker and his bizarre form of propaganda. Note how expertly he separates the post from its context in an attempt to confuse and bedazzle the reader. Look upon as he whinges about reps being demanded from his alliance being dishonorable, though his very own alliance had benefited from even harsher reps on enemy treaty partners in wars of yore. And see how he whines, see how he resists the very notion of actually fighting a war, doing wonders to dispel the perception of cowardice and incompetence that surrounds his alliance like a miasma of worthlessness. Truly a spectacle to behold.

[quote name='William Bonney' timestamp='1302217252' post='2686378'] If you think having a spine means betraying your ideals and launching a first strike on an alliance for no reason then I think you need to visit a chiropractor. edit: I think RV never was really sane anyway, so a mental breakdown just seems impossible. [/quote] You seem to be an expert on goon culture, so maybe you can elaborate on what "ideals" we betrayed. [quote name='HHAYD' timestamp='1302217493' post='2686381'] You lost your morals when you decided to preempt NPO based on flimsy theories and lack of evidences to confirm the accusations. You didn't even attempt negotiation to discuss the problem, you went straight for the DoW button. [/quote] I'm sorry but you seem to have us confused with NPO and its cadre of ineptitude. We made no accusations. We simply labeled the NPO as a threat that we wished to preempt and remove, and acted accordingly.

[quote name='William Bonney' timestamp='1302216245' post='2686370'] If you aren't asking for reps then why are you demanding for one month of war as reps? And reps can go beyond money you know. How's rv doing over there? [/quote] I find it strange that fighting a war is a condition that the NPO is unable to meet, and now, in fact, rates ideals such as "having a spine" as a horrible and unmeetable demand. How quaint. Also RV is truly in horrible shape and has descended into a mental breakdown from his horrible punishment of being allowed to nuke Invicta.

GOONs member here is my expert analysis of why your post is objectively wrong: - It's stupid - It sucks - I hate it

[quote name='Islamic Republic' date='11 June 2010 - 09:47 PM' timestamp='1276314429' post='2334415'] Im not a natzi or racist, im just not biased. I have no sides, i say what is most likely true from the information provided by all countries involved in the conflict. If you think your government wont lie to you, think again. [/quote] Yes because THE GOVERNMENT oppressed all those poor historians and forced them to write all those fake things like the Holocaust. And you're not biased at all, even though you judge people's intelligence based on their political views. You are such a wonderful person.

[quote name='Islamic Republic' date='11 June 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1276313696' post='2334394'] Irans not as bad as you believe, there just villianized by the west and picked on. Just like Russia is. [/quote] Yeah "The west" just gangs up on poor Iran and Russia and pushes them around during recess.

[quote name='Islamic Republic' date='11 June 2010 - 09:29 PM' timestamp='1276313328' post='2334383'] It does measure your smarts, your ability to understand a situation and not told what it is. [/quote] "Guys, the Holocaust isn't real. The only reason people think it was real is because they were told it was real, but you see, I understand the Holocaust situation. I was [i]there[/i], man."

[quote name='Islamic Republic' date='11 June 2010 - 09:21 PM' timestamp='1276312883' post='2334367'] Im not denying it, its just blown out of proportion. [/quote] That's the worst Holocaust denial backpedal I have ever seen.

[b]June 11, 2010: Today in history[/b] Rebel Virginia and GOONS finally team up, brought together by the mighty power of Holocaust denial.