Hydro
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It is not right for Polar to force \m/ to adhere to Polar's world views and opinions on what is right and wrong.
\m/ had resolved the tech raid situation prior to Polar's involvement to the satisfaction of all the involved parties.
\m/, like Polar, has complete sovereignty in their IRC channel, meaning no foreign alliance can enter and tell them how to behave in their own IRC channel.
\m/, like Polar, does not recognize any other alliance as having the right to tell them how to act in their own IRC channel.
\m/ had apologized, publicly, for the Grub incident, but did not promise to change their IRC ways.
The only logical conclusion is this war is about Polar trying to force their version of morality on \m/, who is having none of it.
Obviously you failed to appreciate that this "situation" created a negative externality, which did affect Polaris and, therefore, they were an involved party. It is juvenile to assume that the actions taken by an alliance only affect the immediate combatants, and that those who are nonetheless being affected by the events in question have no say in the matter. Just because your world view failed to understand the greater consequences of your actions, does not mean that the same misguided beliefs that led you to that flawed world view are present in your peers, particularly Polaris. You have nothing to gripe about about, save your own incompotence and your logical conclusion, if they can even be called that, is woefully inadequate to the current situation.
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Not like I have any real political weight or anything, but good show on part from Pezstar, Archon and Delendum.
But back on topic,
So the reason why this thread has gotten to be 70 pages long because \m/ and co think this is a shabby CB?
I think the real victim like Hoo put it a couple posts back is RoK here who is on both sides of this war.
-omfg
RoK is the victim of nothing. This is a natural consequence of signing treaties with everyone under the sun, and it is hardly suprising that their treaty partners might come into conflict, given how radically different they are.
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My impression on this thread, and the events leading up to it:
\m/ : LOLZ we teh !@#$!Polaris: No.
\m/ : go suck a dick
Polaris: Or not.
\m/ : dont like us do something about it! (lolz they aint gonna do !@#$)
Polaris: Fine. DOW's.
\m/ :
Polaris:
o/ Polaris and give em hell!
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Weak. Ask for more.
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So I decided recently that I was going to drop AA in game and wait to get raided and have a little fun. Boy was I disappointed! I got hit with one real raid from NEW, this dude was pretty cool he came in we banged heads exchanged nukes and then wen on our merry way, I have a lot of respect for NEW for that because they are actually out there to fight and not just looking for the sickly kid on the playground to shake up for lunch money.
Where are the rest of you tough guys out there? The ones who love to raid and who want to build there casualties, I was sitting their unaligned for 17 days at about 30k NS. And not a single one of you had the balls to raid me. Do you all really love your infra that much that you are afraid to hit a nation that will fight back?
while I am not calling anyone out by name I am sure you know who you are and so does everyone else. You are a bunch of punks and nothing more.
I think you misunderstand exactly what a raider does. A raider is not gearing up for a nuclear war with you, but rather to steal your tech/land. Just as most burglars do not attempt to steal from high security installations, so too will most raiders not bother with a fully nuclear nation. Why you think this can somehow be attributed to a decline in intelligence is beyond me; if anything it shows that most raiders are prudent enough to only enter into a war that they are certain they will win and, more importantly, profit from.
Then again, you've been around this community long enough to know this, so perhaps you'd like to take your faux outrage and soapbox somewhere else? Even better yet, why don't you grow some balls and iniate your own wars: not only will you be getting the action you seem to crave, but we'll be spared your insufferable !@#$%*ing. Win-Win imo.
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So to summarize, MK was the only alliance to vote in these polls.
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I was in GPA, putting bets on who the winner would be. IIRC, I won too.
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I think you'll find that i'll (we'll) back up my/our OADP partners a lot more than most will
I'm sure you'll be pleased to offer them the full moral support that you can muster.
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Hmm. I'm not a big fan of the everything's-optional treaty, because it essentially means your "ally" will only come to your defense when they're guaranteed to win. It seems like ToA or PIAT might be more appropriate in such a situation... But at any rate, congratulations on this first step.
-Craig
Pretty well this. This is a useless scrap of paper, that is really only there as a smokescreen against accusations of bandwagonning.
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Blue Balls War
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Congradulations.
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I dont believe you.
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Again, not the point.
With TPF's request for assistance against its attackers, those with MDP's or higher with TPF are obligated to attack Ragnarok.
No they're actually not. At the end of the day, it is TPF's decision whether or not it needs help and whether or not they will choose to activate their treaties on certain fronts. TPF is not so stupid as to demand their allies attack ROK, as it could seriously undermine their war effort. Now why don't you go sulk somewhere else about TPF not being imbeciles?
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I'm suggesting that a coalition supposedly made to defend TPF on the basis of the member alliance's treaties with TPF should at least cover all the bases.
In this scenario, where the alliances that have declared have largely (read: nearly all of them) declared on all of TPF's attackers EXCEPT Ragnarok, then yes, they should have declared on Ragnarok as well as dictated by their treaties with Ragnarok.
Perhaps so, but then again, it would do far greater damage to declare on RoK if it brings Polaris and/or MHA into the fray.
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OOC: The delay of entrance on behalf of TPF by it's allies is directly due to me. I take all responsibility. I asked for time due to a RL issue (one I have explained personally to Londo), and out of respect for me TPF agreed to be hit and take damage and allies who wanted to go in immediately chose to wait. I thank them greatly. I ask that the campaign against TPF's direct allies waiting to go in being used as a PR tool cease. If you lambast anyone, you may lambast me, I take full responsibility for the delay. I apologize to CN, to TPF, and to those that wanted a quicker response. To those that respected my wishes (TPF and it's allies) I thank you. To those that respect my wishes in the future (any that cease that individual PR attack) I thank you. Any and all other PR tactics I heartily encourage as they are a apart of the game and fun, but the delay was as I have said, because of me. I'm sorry.
Well that clears up a lot of questions. Thanks for the explanation
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I am very ready to be shot, this is why my tech raid did not end until the nation i attacked sent peace, I then sent peace my self, NPO can huff and puff but we all know its just hot air.
Says the man in peace mode.
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We're not really afraid of whether we get hit in retaliation or not - it's part of the game, and we'd respect the alliance for (finally) sticking up for its treaties.
Obvious tarp is obvious. If you want a war with IRON, why don't you attack IRON rather than doing it in such a roundabout fashion?
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You missed my reply of
Over my dead body
Bit kinky but w/e floats your boat I guess...
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If you want a war, go declare on someone. Stop expecting people to do your dirty work and whining when they don't. Eeesh.
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Don't the Sith have this exact same treaty with every other alliance in the game?
No. Ours is sexy.
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So you're trying to insult someone by airing private corrispondence over a public forum and then making insinuations about their honor? Irony much...
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I know that people are rather ignoring posts that make sense, but I'd still like to point something out, that no one has brought up yet:
DrunkMonkey, ZH's Princess, was TPF's Minister of Finance for nine months. He originally retired in April due to RL, but then took his position back to help out with the war, because mhawk had not yet replaced him. He stepped down again in May.
Yohan, ZH's leader, was TPF's Minister of Intelligence.
Shadow (now known as Gaeta), ZH's Minister of Defense, was TPF's General of Protectorates.
Scotty, ZH's Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs, was TPF's Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs.
Ayrrie, a member of ZH's Council, was a Phoenix Magistrate.
Yohan, DrunkMonkey, Elysium, and Shadow were all Elysium and came with mhawk when Elysium merged into TPF. Everyone involved was high level TPF government. We're not talking about common members.
The thing that I really wonder about, is when was the last time you and/or your alliance was contacted by mhawk to conduct operations against Athens? I might've missed it and if I did, I apologize, but the thread has been going a little too fast for me. Thanks.
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Congradulations. This kind of steady growth is impressive, especially considering that it's so consistent.
Vanguard Edict
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
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Rather than signing a treaty based on mutual respect and friendship, Vanguard signs treaties so it has an excuse to jump onto the proverbial bandwagon. Good to know.