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  6. Skyfall

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    9 hours ago, kingzog said:

     

    Ego didn't "kill the project." Ego was the project.

     

    Every single one of the pro-MI6 posts reads exactly the same.

     

    "MI6 was awesome. Oh sure, we may have alienated everyone, but that's just because we were so great." And then there's talk about how someone's inflated head was the real problem.

     

    MI6 = Quite possibly the least self-aware membership I've ever seen.

    MI6 alienated people because for the longest time it was led by someone who tried to manipulate everyone and couldn't do it. Then when it finally wasn't led by Chim he was still out doing his own thing and had enough backing to make every gov member get pissed and leave or go inactive.

     

  9. Skyfall

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    1 hour ago, Monster said:

    Well, AZTEC directly made efforts to talk to MI6/TOP and convey it.  in MI6's instance there was at least one time, it was Bob from DT and it was mediated by TSK's King, David. Here's the thing, the way you've always seen it is Umb is treacherous and will sell anyone out, but there are degrees between unconditional support and betrayal. There were a lot of things MI6 did that caused AZTEC to get their backs up but they weren't anti-MI6 to start with.

     

    Yeah I'm not disagreeing MI6 wasn't insanely active because you're mostly the active cores from other alliances/ex-govs/etc. It was a pretty interesting experiment and we signed MI6 because it had a lot of potential. It would have been tough to fight MI6 at higher levels, but the growth for many especially when many were still staying as tech farms wouldn't have been enough for numbers not to prevail.

    I don't remember the Bob-David stuff, but I do remember the David-Umb-MI6 chat where you wanted to have MI6 admit everything Umb said was fact... when it wasn't. There was never a two sided conversation. 

     

    Maybe it was just Chim telling us all different things though. Its what he did best. 

  10. Skyfall

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    9 hours ago, Monster said:

    Given there were attempts to show MI6 our other allies didn't really want to fight MI6/TOP, it shouldn't have been too hard to believe that we had no interest in having our allies rolled. Typically, we pick the side where we have the most treaties but we were really standing in the way of a war happening out of a sense of duty for the longest time. If you assume the worst, sometimes you will make it come true. Besides had you played your hand differently, it could have just been eating one global war loss instead of three like in TOP's case.

     

    Um, MI6 was solidly mid tier and a decent chunk of you were just converted tech farms. It was never a sensible match-up, which is why you guys talking about coming after us was stupid after we dropped you and after taking a hit in the Kaskus war and just gave ammo to the "roll MI6" sentiment. It also made it easy for our mutual allies to drop you.  Thanks for the bravado, though. There is a reason almost every other alliance except MI6 in your coalition was able to make FA progress. 

    Like Berbers said, you allied people who knowingly wanted MI6. And TOP. I don't recall any effort to show they didn't want to come at MI6. Maybe it did happen and it just never got through Chim to the membership /shrug. From the membership perspective before all that went down, we'd have chosen Umb over any of our allies at that point because of our similarities and activity. 

     

    MI6 grew at a ridiculous rate. An easy war + 8 months of growth certainly wouldn't have equaled us to you guys, but it would've put us as a top 6 or 7 AA in score, and probably only behind IRON, GPA, NPO, and you guys for tech. We were a tough matchup for big AA's when we were mid tier, like you said. Would've been a nightmare if we gained traction more stats. Not like this line of conversation matters anymore though lol 

  11. Skyfall

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    2 hours ago, Monster said:

    Nope. You didn't burn for anyone but yourselves. Don't try to put your beef with Kaskus on us. Had you escalated just to spite us, it wouldn't have done much for you.   Us not wanting the war you're referring to stalled it for the longest time. It's hardly actively plotting for months when it only ends up happening when it does because you made cancelling the best option.

     

    You were warned about the consequences of your posturing and you continued to do it. You alienated the only pro-MI6 people we had including me and MrHiott.  The distrust was palpable and you continued to double down on your scheming. Then the way you acted during the Kaskus war pushed it over the edge despite us having reason to cancel before. You were given too many chances. Anything between us after we dropped MI6 was  in part a consequence of you taking the stance of "we'lll obliterate Umb." We don't take those things lightly. The problem is the other alliances  who were in your position realized where they went wrong, but you always thought of yourselves as martyrs.

    Most of MI6 had its eyes covered by Chim. MI6 membership had its own idea, Chim did his, and he had the power at the time.. That, along with your other allies' posturing led to that pov from us (along with various logs, and other !@#$ going on that I don't feel like trying to remember) that you were playing both sides and picked NG/Sengoku/IRON because they had more stats. Not to mention your history of picking the winning side.

     

    fwiw, MI6 pound for pound would've slaughtered Umb. Luckily for you it never got to reach that point. One more winning/easy war and it probably would have. Probably another reason for that pov!

     

  13. Skyfall

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    20 minutes ago, Mogar said:

    I mean, this same alliance did the same thing before they did it to you, can't blame anyone but yourselves for thinking Umbrella gives a $%&@ about anyone but Umbrella.

    They'd do it again if there was any mileage left here, too

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