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[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1292746142' post='2544199']
As soon as the treaty cancellations are complete. Hmm..am I the only one with a feeling of déja vu?
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No, you're really really not... -
Just to back up what Haf's saying I know a number of those figures are inflated, but heh, don't let me spoil your fun
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I like the fact that this treaty doesn't try to make out it's something it's not. Also in favour of open senate agreements. In many ways this is what PEACE should have been the first time round.
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Just propaganda. The only conclusion anyone can draw out from your comments MVP is that you don't like Polaris.
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So much for it being a friendly competition
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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1291345640' post='2528638']
[color="#0000FF"]Well, thank you for acknowledging that Invicta had nothing to do with your survival. We all know that Invicta hasn't the power to protect a thing. To say otherwise would be a lie. And also, thank you for mentioning that what ultimately kept Europa alive was CDT's cowardice and lack of spine. I had neglected to point that out there, but I was going to when I came back.[/color]
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You really are that idiotic.
I'll repeat again. CDT didn't threaten Europa and had no interest in harming them. It's sole interest was in preventing Europa from threatening UCN as UCN was a CDT member. CDT achieved that successfully. -
[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1291340134' post='2528516']
Exactly what it means. We asked them both to stay in UCN prior to the disbandment to help us keep everything together. Erik left to found his own alliance, Fox left for TPE. They had no interest when it made a difference.
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So you didn't like them for not helping previously. I can understand that, but it didn't give you the right to tell them they couldn't try later. -
[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1291339845' post='2528503']
Darkfox wasn't in UCN at the time. Erik was a probationary member.
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And that means they didn't get an opinion? -
[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1291337256' post='2528436']
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You felt that you owned the rights to UCN and were therefore justified to prevent Darkfox, Erik & others from continuing it on. We felt that those that wished to continue an alliance on had the right to decide what it should look like. It's a pretty fundamental disagreement.
I don't know why you're trying to make out that I didn't know any of you, or Darkfox and others. That seems like a pretty odd arguement considering we'd been happily in the same bloc for over a year. #CDT_Private was a very busy thriving busy channel and you guys were nearly always there.
I felt at the time you thought we weren't listening. We were, it's just that we disagreed with what you were saying. Basically we didn't like the fact that Europa felt it could decide what Darkfox, Erik and others could or couldn't do and some of your members were quite threatening about it. We told Darkfox, Erik & co. that we'd help them any way we could.
Back to your original statement. CDT didn't threaten Europa and we had no interest in any conflict.
[Quote]It's funny that MK is accused of extortion these days, when the very alliances that oppose it (UPN, USN) are the same alliances that extorted our artistic creations out of us.[/quote]
That's just silly. UPN & USN didn't want any of your darn artistic creations. We just didn't want you to forcibly take them away from your old alliance. To extort something implies that we'd get anything out of the deal. -
[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1291273593' post='2527901']
CDT threatened our existence several times in the beginning.
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No. I'm going to call you out on that because it's not very nice to tell untruths. CDT didn't want Europa dead. A number, (including myself) thought that the way Europa left UCN was badly handled and therefore told the remaining UCN members that they had our complete support if they wished to continue. To turn that around and make out that that was threatening Europa is ridiculous.
A number of Europa members were rude, insulting & demanded that UCN disbanded and stopped using their old flag as it was deemed to be the property of Europa. I didn't like you attitude, but in the interests of peace spent considerable effort trying to broker better relations between Europa & the remaing UCN members (as you perfectly well know Che) At all times our efforts were on calming the situation down and re-estabilising relations, despite much provocation frankly.
Interfering, yes, guilty as charged. Friends that we'd known for a long time had asked for our help. Threatening? No way. The only threatening going on was Europa telling UCN they had "no right to continue". -
The top 5% are comfortably over 10 million net a day & 100,000 citizens. The top 100 nations are presumeably a good bit more than that.
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[quote name='Hydro' timestamp='1287703662' post='2490168']
Who gives a hoot? Most alliances in this game are terribad anyways.
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Well, inevitably some ex-members of a disbanded alliance give a hoot and the alliance was for them to enjoy being part of rather than anyone outside. Having that said though it's impossible to ultimately force an alliance to disband and so if they felt strongly about it they perhaps they should have had the strength of conviction to keep things going themselves. Not much fun though, unless you're into a FAN or Vox Populi-style resistance. -
[quote name='Bones Malone' timestamp='1286820292' post='2481635']
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I've already explained in this thread so if you missed it you may want to refer to that for answers.
Aside from that though you seem to have answered you own question. Yes, UPN let the rest of CDT know that it intended to leave and then was waiting to see what the remaining signatories wished to do before going public. Hence the delays. -
My heart just broke
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...somehow this thread has become a discussion about the merits of announcing via the OWF, rather than about CDT...
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To my understanding the intention was to announce it's cancellation, but people wanted to get things sorted and wrap things up properly before doing so.
This isn't an official line, but personally I'm very sad to see CDT dissolved and wish that that bloc had continued on indefinately. It's dissolved (of which blow it I'm going to give the OWF a straight answer, because there isn't enough of that), because the bloc had been struggling for a long time to unify it's foreign affairs and that was making it hard to move things forward.
Despite that a number of people wanted to carry on fighting, of which I'd include myself, but the prevailing view was that the struggle to keep things going had been going on for just too long and so it was time to pack up.
Definately end of an era & whilst like any bloc CDT had it's low points, it also had many very happy days and brought people together who still share lasting friendships. From NATO it's first member to Wolfpack it's last, I'm proud to have met all of you.
o/CDT. A damn fine bloc -
[quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1286304104' post='2476107']
and UPN.
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Now you're just trying to upset me -
It's clear to me that what's responsible is the Athens-MK divide
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[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1286207123' post='2474241']
NpO is kind of the boss of its own minicluster (I've variously called it 'BLEU 2.0', 'Frostbite' and 'Blue' throughout different phases of its history). Most of the time they've rather straddled the lines between the two sides (for example in the earlier two images on this page). MK cancelling on them has weakened the pull from the SG side of the web, I guess, making them appear further on the 'Remnants' side. It is an interesting point, though, which I'd missed myself.
There isn't a strongly connected 'old Orders side', which actually shows up pretty well from the sparseness of the web over there. For example I doubt TOP and NpO or Legion and Argent would consider themselves to be closely allied. It's more a case of 'all the alliances not in SG and affiliates'.
The web does represent reality – it's a direct application of the model to existing treaties – but its implications don't necessary match what's going to happen, as not every treaty is actually the same weight as the model assumes.
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I see, so it's the angle that we're looking at the 3D-Model that's hiding the sparseness of the web on the 'old Orders side', when looked at from a different angle they're still very far apart & not really a 'side' at all. That makes sense now. -
[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1286200768' post='2474187']
The division between the old and new worlds is as sharp as ever, with the tight 'Supergrievances' megabloc on the right of the image and the loose collection of alliances clustering around the old Orders making up various microspheres on the left. Only Brigade, UPN and DT remain with split loyalties on that front. (Valhalla's position is not so central as this viewpoint makes it appear.)
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Thanks for all the work you put into this. However I just want to pick you up on one point that interests me. You seem to be indicating that the line to draw is between 'Supergrievences' & the 'old Orders', presumeably NPO & NpO and that this line is deeply established. i.e. 'as sharp as ever'.
However in previous graphs NpO has been placed on the same side as supergrieviences rather than sharing a side with NPO, also presumeably due to recent war history. Therefore why would an 'old Order' side be described as deeply established?
Following on from that and if you think that it hasn't been, do you think that a) the 'old Orders' side is a new thing or b) the graph doesn't represent the reality? Or possibly a c) that I'm missing.
Also please don't take my post as some kind of political stunt as people seem to have taken a previous one. I'm retired, curious & would genuinely like to hear your thoughts. -
Interesting news. Thanks for the answers.
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Out of curiosity have FARK left Superfriends?
I couldn't help but notice the following: http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Superfriends (note FARK's description as a Former Superfriend) & wanted to determine if it's just a prank or if it's genuine. -
[quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1285913899' post='2470842']
Pacificanism was and IS something very different than what is going on with GOONS. Pacificanism ....
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I agree with you to a point, clearly NPO & GOONS are very different alliances who respond to others in very different ways. However, too much is made of NPO's power and influence when they were on top.
The most powerful entity was never NPO per see, but the power structure once described as hegemony that NPO was part of. For sure, due to their size and more importantly their long list of contacts NPO was a big influence on the power structure, but others (including many who moved across to Karma) also had a big stake in it and were certainly not mini-NPOs.
The Karma war wasn't a revolution, instead (like all CN global wars) it was a civil war within the existing power structure. In Karma's case, the Continuum.
However your point still stands, NPO & GOONS are very different. I just wanted to add that many in Karma are closer in character to NPO than GOONS. Alliances in fact often once closely allied to NPO & that means to a certain extent that business at the top of CN carries on as normal. -
[quote name='potato' timestamp='1285942971' post='2471046']
But I guess that says a lot about the way you see MK.
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Yep. I don't like you. Thought that much was already clear though.
UPN: What is and what isn't going to happen
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
Posted · Edited by Altheus
Nearly 4 years ago I founded the United Purple Nations. I founded it because myself & my friends wanted a home to belong to that we could call our own. A home that cut the crap and functioned like we wanted. We're not your conventional alliance, we've got no wish to be. We are simply what and who we are and we don't need your permission to do jack squat.
UPN is fulfilling its purpose exactly. It is a home for its members and we're having a bloody good time. We're not going to disband, we're never going to disband and the only way the plug will ever be pulled is when the cyberverse ends.
I'm going to running UPN again. The alliance needs me and I'll always be there for it. I'm posting this so I don't have to reply to each and every message asking what I'm going to do.
Simples.