Castles

Personally I wish that the ideals of business would be more important that the ideals of war (both are the same right, well used to be) I don't see a problem with a nuetral tech dealer, has MK been denied tech offers? Considering the length of time a 1x1 tech deal takes, it would be in East India's (and their share holders) worst interest to delay profit making during such a fubared confused war. Lets admit it, its pretty silly no matter what side your on. In the mean time alliances like East India have to suffer decreased incomes while the wanna be jar heads think their cool when they hit the NUKE button. edit: stutterring problem

Looking for a long term trade circle: I have rubber and wine.

[quote name='Alterego' date='15 February 2010 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1266255780' post='2183142'] You forgot fun. War is fun, peace is boring. [/quote] Nation building is fun.

Welcome to the Confused war. If you tinkle when you sprinkle make sure you wipe the floor.

I'm still voting for the Confused war, most of us fighting are only here because of the tangled web of treaties. Argent entered for TOOL, TOOL entered for IRON. LOUD entered for RIA etc etc etc. From my small knowledge the start of the war already ended and now we are all just loosing NUKEs because we have them and nobody is willing to end the war. I do not begrudge LOUD for being the sixth to declare on TOOL. So lets just remember its a game and all yous bases are mine

How about a perspective from a peon that does not follow the politics or part of gov. [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' date='11 February 2010 - 10:50 PM' timestamp='1265928652' post='2175720'] The fact people don't want to surrender is a good thing, imo. [/quote] Agreed, I don't know the numbers but the majority are just fighting a war created by the active members actions in regards to treaties. TOOL is here due to not only our treaties but also due to IRONs actions to support of TOOL in the past. If one enters a war to honor commitments and does not stay to the end then what is the point of honoring those commitments? (Besides of course being part of special teams, but that only works if there is centralized military coordination) [quote name='Ivan Moldavi' date='12 February 2010 - 02:58 PM' timestamp='1265986685' post='2177580'] In regards to the actual topic, I believe the mentality as it currently exists in this conflict stems from the fact that a large majority of the combatants on both sides are only in the war because of treaty obligations or chains. Very few of the alliances are actually engaged because they are on some damned crusade or trying to make a moral point. Thus, they believe they have entered honorably and justly and indeed find themselves on occasion fighting opposite some alliances that they call "friends". Therefore the general opinion seems to be that since they didn't do anything "wrong" by taking part in this war, which is costing both sides quite a bit overall, neither side believes they should have to surrender or pay reperations (in general). I know that there are some exceptions to this but by and large I believe this to be the case. To justify that I only need to look at last nights screw up between Legion and Sparta. Sparta was asking Legion to pay $600 million in reps. For what? Legion entered to defend a treated ally and is fighting against some allies that they are close to otherwise. They don't believe they did anything wrong in doing so and are thus felt put out by such a demand. And to Sparta's credit, I believe they have some feeling of the same since they immediately went from $600 million to simple white peace in one step. [/quote] [quote name='memoryproblems' date='12 February 2010 - 08:35 PM' timestamp='1266006904' post='2178043'] I think once TOP/IRON start to seek terms, we'll see a repeat of the Karma war where it takes an additional month to get terms hammered out and for them to agree with them. I know that my alliance, Echelon, will be in this war until IRON sees peace or until we all hit ZI and our opponents forget about us. [/quote] Again Agreed. Besides a place to push buttons, the only real motivation in this war for most is honor. [quote name='Oktavia' date='13 February 2010 - 03:13 AM' timestamp='1266030785' post='2178536'] The majority of alliances aren't surrendering unless x alliance surrenders with them as well. [/quote] The war can only end honorably if those that started it act honorably and consider the reprecutions; not only to their own members but to the other alliances they made commitments to. Personally I vote for the Confusion war, most of us, who do not read these forums regularly have no idea whats going on, thats aleast 80% of those fighting. And then when you take the time to read the forums you realize that 80% of that 20% have no idea whats going on. Because of the lack of "moral highground" there is the "Do not surrender syndrome" I'm fighting because IRON needs me too. TOOL was asked and we resonded respondingly to defend a trusted ally. Why is IRON fighting, not a flipping clue. We defend IRON and have 6 alliances DOW against us (not complaining mind you) Ask those 6 alliances why they are fighting and you'll get a similar answer as mine. The point of the game is to get more pixels than the Jones'. It is sad that nukes have become a way to make sure nobody gains many pixels quickly but I digress. I will not surrender, it makes me happy to hear from our leadership that they will not abandon IRON. So from my perspective its up to IRON to end the war. As I'm sure from most in lets say RIA, its up to SPARTA to end the WAR. Its amusing that some feel its up to the periphials to end what we did not start. As far as reps are concerned, I'll follow orders but they should be limited to orginal parties (root of the chains) Maybe the chains will be more examined before linked in the future but I'm an optimist. Disclaimer, I'm a two year old noob, these opinions do not reflect TOOL gov. I'm just shedding some light on the non active perspective, who make up a large portion of planet Bob.

[quote name='kpcurley' date='14 February 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1266175174' post='2181042'] and no end in sight, truly sad for the new nation, slows down growth and makes the game less interesting for them [/quote] There've been a couple other voices of reason in thread, but alas, I hit the wrong button and I'm too lazy to go back and find them. I understand the concept that a nuke is a weapon of war in cn and whats the point in having a toy to not play with it. But most people start out the game just for a civ type simulation. With the numbers of people leaving in disgust, filling the nation number will be harder. I would like to suggest that a new expensive temporary improvement be added for nuclear clean up. Trade circles are great but for most of they are just things that happen to other people. Especially as of late. I've lost 8 trade partners in the last 3 month due to inactivity. But I'm just a noob.

Very nicely done, I agree with most of what you said. Though I must adamantly disagree with one statement: Some of the best leaders I've met in this game are TOOLS.

Congrats, now where's the brua

[quote name='Town Drunk' date='14 February 2010 - 07:33 AM' timestamp='1266132836' post='2180558'] Disclaimer: Some of the information in the above may or may not be true. This information is presented for entertainment purposes only, and is not an official statement from the League of United Defense. I was never here. [/quote] Liar you stole my martini, I have pictures

Welcome to the fray.

Well this was a quick one. My opponents were honorable and it was a fun fight.