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[quote name='commander thrawn' timestamp='1282055640' post='2419588']
I like update where it is. But that's cause I live in server time
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Too much info but thanks for it.
Truth is, I never had too much of a problem with update guys when I was war planing.
Anyone that has ever battled me will know I am pretty much 24/7 .
The question is do I want to spend the next 10 rounds knowing exactly what time some of the less active guys come online??
The last 10 rounds I've built up quite a nice database, but it is getting a bit boring now. -
Can't say I hate anyone in TE.
We all have our differences I'm sure, but hate is such a hateful word.
That said, there are many I would like to fight but more for the fun of it.
Equal terms would be nice but that would never work.
Perhaps if we asked who the most respected in TE was we could get more input.
Maybe forget the respect and hate bit altogether and just ask who your hero is
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[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1282001745' post='2418379']
This debate happens every round...in the same way...oftentimes by the same people. It never goes anywhere. But, "My Observations After [u][b]12 [/b][/u] Rounds" are as follows:
1. Everyone has different ideas on how TE should be played. Some, like myself, dabbled in politics, coalition building, intrigue, etc. Some dabbled in breaking what I created (you know who you are
). Some play for flags. Some play for war. Some play because they're fat and lazy sitting in mommies basement with no real friends (you know who you are too ).
2. The nation count, in terms of total nations in TE, is indeed going down, and has every single round. It went down when we had coalitions. It went down when we had flag chasers. It went down when we got rid of the coalitions. And it'll most likely keep going down, regardless of what we do. Some of us old folks have tried to do what we can to revive the game, but generally, there is a lot of apathy in TE.
3. No one can force anyone to play a certain way. No one can force anyone to do anything for that matter. Whether at the point of a gun or not, you have free will to make your own choices. So make them, and don't apologize.
[u][b]-Tiberius12[/b][/u], Founder and Emperor Emeritus of the Roman Empire, Ruler of the Empire of Rome, Self-Proclaimed Most-Hated Man in Tournament Edition History but All-Around Nice Guy, That Guy Who Did Stuff (See Sig for Details).
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I have the same round count as you and I concur, but I would take it further and suggest that the established players are killing it off. (I count myself as an established player btw)
What chance does a newb have in the game?
An established player knows how to fight and defend even if they are raided. They also may have alliance back up they can call on if they bite off too much "Shudders"
As a newb I might choose to attack , say LE. That's just an example, and it could be any Alliance but the old hats know I would not get away with it.
An LE member could attack me though and get away with it as long as they stuck to LE raid rules.
It's established players that are killing the game off to my mind.
The established players might want to set some ground rules if they want more players in the game.
Edit.
The update issue is also ongoing.
It can very much be used to advantage in war planning.
How many of us sit up over update on a Friday and Saturday? Any day for that matter? -
[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1281474497' post='2410156']
Can't we all get along?
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It's a war game Paul.
When we take the war out of TE it becomes SE.
I would be bored out of my pants and so would a lot of other fighters. How many do we remember from the early days of TE that still fight?
Dalton, Fishland, Burning Glory, Dolomite, FisherX, Byzantine Empire, Bacon, Gondor.
I'm sure I missed out a few but these are just a few fighters /players , that spring to mind.
We need to fight to keep the game going. -
[quote name='Owney OSullivan' timestamp='1281468197' post='2410023']
*Yawn*
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If you're tired or bored you could always fill an extra slot my friend.
CoffeeshopFrank is a third your size and 4 days inactive.
The alternative is you just go to sleep. (might even grow some overnight). -
[quote name='Owney OSullivan' timestamp='1281466362' post='2409987']
Just ignore him, there's no point.
How's that DoW working out for you, BC? 29/33 in anarchy, that's how LE and OP party!
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[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1281415512' post='2409088']
Ok, I know I should let it go, but I have to address this last point.
I would if I could. As soon as I got a slot peaced out with LE I looked for a BC target without luck. The only guys that I could have hit were already jumped on and knocked out of range. My only remaining wars are because of them not accepting peace.
You should do a little research before firing off those accusations.
And like a few others have said, I cant fault you for your willingness to die for your AA, your honour, and loyalty etc. Its just the vast amount of accusations that you fire off at others, when you may not have the full story, and even on hearing the reasoning, you promptly disregard it.
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Ok.
I've given this a little thought and decided to agree with everything you say and everything you have ever said (including any posts of yours that I have never read). I also agree with any posts you make in the future (even those that I don't read).
I believe this is the same as putting you in anarchy as I have denied you the right to declare.
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[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1281365728' post='2407526']
TE is funny, enemies one minute and friends the next, I have learned to roll with the punches. I may disagree with some of your statements but as a fighter I know you are good and personally I cannot pass judgement as I do not know you in person. All that said, Taeper, I hope we can just bury the hatchet and kick the crap out of BC. You have my respect and always have.
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I never ask anyone to agree with my statements my friend.
I follow round leader rules should I agree or not.
Personally I take the same stance in RL. If I don't agree I move out.
I won't hide behind my convictions and I won't hide behind an alliance.
What you see is what you get.
If I were banned from OWF posting by my alliance I would follow the orders (and I admit , it might be a good thing).
You can't ask much more of a guy to fight for their alliance and follow alliance orders to my mind. -
[quote name='Burning Glory' timestamp='1281361291' post='2407384']
For what it's worth SoT, I find your actions honorable and becoming of a true soldier/officer and to be quite honest I have always admired that about you.
Your integrity in my opinion is with out question.
BG.
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Kind words BG.
If honesty must prevail I always saw TPC (in all it's incarnations) as a target, and still do.
Never an axe to grind, just a good target that was likely to fight back.
Just my opinion though.
Bring back the fighters in TE. Guys that fill slots regardless of the damage it might do to themselves. -
[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1281360543' post='2407375']
Mamma said, "That if I didn't have anything good to say, to not say anything."
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I never knew her but she may have had a point.
Can't say what you were like but your slots are full so you are obviously a fighter. Maybe you did something else to upset her.
The game needs fighters and not talkers.
Fighters fill their slots and follow orders even if they disagree with those orders. -
[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1281352688' post='2407298']
Princess rosalina while wearing an incorrect AA tag at the time did. Good on him I say
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Kind of says it all
[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1281352688' post='2407298']
Sadly, peacing out with LE has left me nobody to fight
Gotta entertain myself other ways
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Kind of says it all again.
Could I suggest you use any of your numerous free slots to defend OP?
Bit strange that I am doing more to defend OP than you are when you are not in A , have no incoming attacks and two outgoing slots available?
Just a thought my friend.
Thanks for the advice Pukes and thanks for the support.
You have 1 incoming and no outgoing wars. You're not in A either, so did I miss something??
LE used to be loyal , fair, fighters.
I don't condone Bad Co's attacks on LE or OP but it does strike me as amusing that I take so much flack from following LE orders.
As an LE officer I stay behind to defend an inactive LE Cadet member that is close to A. Although my defenses are way higher, I am the only nation in that alliance that is attacked by a guy flying OP colors and OP say it is a rogue attack by an OP applicant (The "applicant " actually told me I was the target).
No big deal as it's a game of war.
OP then send another guy in to destroy me (Bones) when Mushroom cannot contain me on his own and Bones is not an applicant.
Nothing is done by OP to contain the rogue attack which further leads me to believe it was not a rogue attack.
I then take all sorts of flack from both LE and OP even when I''m the only guy following orders.
Bacon gave specific orders not to post in a specific thread. I followed these orders reluctantly but the order was LE wide so all LE should have followed those orders.
Bacon then orders an LE attack on Bad Co so LE should follow those orders.
Sorry Bad Co, I threw my Officer status in when I saw it for what it was worth. Be nice if others could follow orders and have loyalty to their alliance. -
OP attacked a 2 man alliance. Fact.
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[quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1281283534' post='2404559']
That question has been asked and answered at least a half dozen times.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein
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Fewer things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
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[quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1281243796' post='2404305']
LE and OP have agreed to Peace and agree that BC needs a TE lesson and we will be their professor's.
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Please, you are not talking for me so kindly do not use the word "we"
I follow LE orders, not those of OP. -
Mmm, Orders are orders and LE Cadet go in against BC with no official dec
The same as OP did against LE Cadet?
Free my slots and I'm ready to war but it's not a love thing (in my opinion) -
[quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1281157974' post='2403499']
'All up in yo grill, son.'
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(In my opinion) I hope that comment had reference to me.
Go Bad Co
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In my opinion it was not so bad a move by Bad Co (just my opinion of course)
Made up for the attacks that Bad Co made on LE while they were at war with OP.
Kind of sweet how things work out
OP said they didn't want to get involved with the Bad Co attacks on LE because it was too much trouble, but the moment they get attacked it is a huge issue.
Just my opinion guys. -
[quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1280867414' post='2399870']
If you have any more specific questions, I am sure that we will answer them directly. As to your other claims and accusations, they have been spoken to and completely debunked.
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Sorry my friend, I have been accused of doctoring an OP quote.
That is a bit of an insult to my mind.
Needs addressing.
Point us to it please. -
[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1280864806' post='2399815']
Its been explained time and again that he was only an applicant at the time of the attack, and had no access to target lists which DID NOT include LE Cadet. Understand?
Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. Youve been told numerous times that OP did not bring in those 1 or 2 nations to attack LE.
So now you are changing from accusing us of "complaining" to "whingeing". Nope, its not whingeing, its called having a dig.
Weve had no request from LE Cadet for us to apologize for a mistaken attack. What we did receive was attacks from LE Cadet, and LE Cadet members moving over to LE then engaging us. Why do you want an apology? Do you want us to peace out with LE Cadet?
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Cool, chill, think football.
(maybe not the last as it is obviously a sore point for any Liverpool fans atm.)
Take over might not be high on the agenda for LE (excuse the words take over guys) but we sure are fighting an uphill battle.
I think I may have hit on a soft point here and much as I don't want to dwell on it I would be interested to know how a guy that is new to the game (not talking football here) can come into an alliance and pick a target out of thin air to attack and lo, that target is not even in the same alliance that the rest of his guys are fighting!!!
How lucky is that??
Then, one guy says the attack was intentional, another says it was a mistake, and a third effectively says Cadet should not be defending the war.
We like wars guys, but don't attack us and then whinge (as I suggested would happen in my first post) when stuff goes bad on you.
Simple.
Talking of simple, it doesn't take much to pop some apostrophes and commas into a post. I was never too good at reading as you well pointed out, but it does help me understand your post if you get those little bits in.
Helps us all I suppose. Just a small point (no pun intended). -
[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1280863948' post='2399795']
Oh God. You arent very good at this.
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Better at this than Liverpool are at football perhaps -
[quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1280863098' post='2399785']
That is not at all what Paul posted. Everyone can see you inserted a couple of words in there.
Does LE condone your continued posting of false claims, doctored quotes, preposterous accusation and attempts at propaganda? If so, that is not in keeping with the LE I thought I knew.
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Read back the thread my friend, I never quoted Paul as having said that.
None of my quotes are doctored and I see it as a huge insult to infer they were.
Enuf said on that I think. -
[quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1280856722' post='2399628']
Taeper, are you the official voice of LE? If so, your constant posts making non-factual claims seems not in keeping with what we all have come to expect from the LE.
Your claim that an OP member was instructed to attack an LE Cadet member has been shown to be false. The attacker verified that he was not an OP member and was never ordered or authorized to make that attack (how could he considering he was not a member).
I was personally responsible for all target assignments. As I said before we never considered attacking the LE Cadet AA out of respect for their sovereignty. And in spite of what others may be posting, OP government never expected LE Cadet to change their AA to join in the fight.
They did and as you have seen, no one has complained about it. You were getting beat up on and decided to bring in reinforcements. Nothing wrong with that tactic.
And your claim that “a 34 strong alliance” attacked a “2 strong alliance” is laughable, good attempt at propaganda, but still laughable.
But not as laughable as contending that OP brought in Bad Company to join in the fight. I would expect LE to verify that before making such a preposterous accusation.
Finally, you asked this.....
[i]Are you saying OP cannot control its troops?[/i]
I can answer that with ease. Considering we were one nation short of 100% participation (that nation was a week or two inactive) in our war with LE and we attacked an Alliance that had 40% more nations and dealt them a big blow, I would say that we have very good control of our troops.
And as to our credibility in the game and in war, I find it amazing that LE is questioning it. I would have never expected that from LE. But then again, as I started out this post, I do not know if you speak for the Alliance.
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You know exactly who I am Cowboy.
Most of my posts are backed by what OP are posting on this thread so sure, it may not be accurate.
I might ask if you are the official voice of OP though??
I recall masking you as a Dip to our boards but nothing more than that.
Could you explain your position for us please?
Reason I'm asking is because it is quite obvious from his posts, dec, and alliance, that Mushroom is a full member.
The 2 extra guys you brought in later from Bad Company were not smarter.
[quote]They did and as you have seen, no one has complained about it. You were getting beat up on and decided to bring in reinforcements. Nothing wrong with that tactic.[/quote]
Sorry, but Lol.
All we have heard is whinging so far.
We had no apologies for what you refer to as an unofficial attack on Cadet.
And yes, I am the official voice of LE cadet.
Bacon is the official voice of LE.
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[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1280856653' post='2399627']
I would like to add Taeper that as a cadet you showed a willingness to defend LE; as it shows on your recent war page a war with the reason "hands of LE" on 7-28-10. Maybe that is the reason you were targeted.
As to the progrees of the war thus far:
Top 7 Day Smallest Alliance Gains
1) -47,738 Strength Change - Lafayette Escadrille
2) -33,654 Strength Change - Ordo Paradoxia
3) -15,587 Strength Change - LE Cadet
4) -14,535 Strength Change - Orbit Black
5) -11,244 Strength Change - Destructor Fleets
Bear in mind that with LE cadet losses added to LE's combined they have lost 63325 to our 33654, that is just shy of 2 to 1, this is especially telling given that you had us outnumbered by over 20 nations. Debo will eat nukes everyday, that is for sure
OP will not accept anymore applications until after this war is over. The ghost has been sent a message stating this and I forwarded a copy to Bacon, there is no conspiracy here.
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I think you are missing the point Paul.
in fact Paul paul paul, you remember me from last round for sure.
You say I was targeted by OP but other OP members say there was no target and no axe to grind.
It looks a bit of a lame excuse.
I was stuck in the middle. Trying to bring cadet home and not able to declare as LE. You guys ripped Debo to bits for that.
My initial dec was not on an OP nation.
Cadet then get hit 34 v 2 . ....... I'm going to defend that aren't I?
7/28/2010 7:35:43 AM
Son of Taeper
Ruler: Son of Taeper
LE Cadet
Killa
Ruler: Xenon
Anti-Lafayette Escadrille
Forget about about Cadet, you never posted a DoW on them, you just trashed them 34 V 2, you can't state that as a victory.
You can't whinge about being underdogs either with those odds.
So lets see the original warsheets. You knew who to target and who not to. ... sure, Debo was a bit of a monster so I see why you picked on me. No probs hitting any of us and it was obvious Debo was inactive over the weekend.
What was the reasoning??? Why complain he was inactive one minute and then complain he is active the next?
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[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1280848238' post='2399498']
First of all, the one attack against LE Cadet was not authorised by OP. It came from someone who was applying to OP, and didnt have any target lists. Second, I always expected LE Cadet would jump in, and don't really see it as a problem (I mean we can easily handle 2 more top tier nations and 1 or 2 lower ones, along with your initial advantage). Just dont know why Debor waited till now to jump in.
Maybe the lower % in anarchy has something to do with the fact that we anarchied you guys first, thus it takes an extra day for us to get out of anarchy Lets just wait and see how the top 10 in each AA fair before we decide who is or isnt losing 
Now, onto the Bad Company issue. There is nothing in the war screens of BadCompany, JWZepf, or Yousaf to suggest that they are helping us. Yes I did see that war by Yousaf on Dominar which seems to have been peaced and deleted. I see attacks on Abyss, LE and Wapa. Wapa are now defending themselves. To suggest that we need to attack a couple of rouges(2900 and 1400 ns)while we are fighting a damaging war is ridiculous.
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Anyone reading though the posts can see quite clearly that there was an attack from a 34 strong alliance onto a 2 strong alliance.
Are you saying your applicant plucked my name out of the air (no pun intended) and continued to hit without OP approval?
Are you saying OP cannot control its troops?
Any LE Cadet attacking without authorization would get a warning on day one and attacked on day 3. I make that very clear to all our applicants. If he never had OP approval why have you not addressed the issue by now?
You say you always expected Cadet to jump in and then complain when they do?
What planet are you from?
Then you complain one of our guys dares to take a weekend off before joining the war?? Send an invite next time 3 days ahead and we can make sure we are all online.
And then we have the Bad Company issue.
Yet more unauthorized attacks on LE that OP are either unable or unwilling to address?
Sure, one of the attacks has peaced but......
8/2/2010 11:04:50 PM
"A general dispute"
Zepftopia
Ruler: JWZepf
Bad Company
kulomascovia
Ruler: kulomascovia
Lafayette Escadrille
Remains an active war and we are in negotiations with them (and I dare say other alliances) on this issue.
To be honest it does not look at all good but I'm sure we will get some sort of feedback.
Finally, yes, you need to get rid of rogues. We could do it for you but if you want any credibility in the game and in the war, you need to do it yourself.
[quote]We did not forget them. We just decided to respect the fact that they are two different alliances. Anyway, since we were such an underdog, we were barely able to target every LE nation[/quote]
34 against 2 is undedog.
34 should be able to kick out a maximum of 102 outgoing attacks (without the need to bring in an extra alliance to help them out ) if they are conducting a blitz.
Jack Shepard passes the torch
in TE OWF Archive
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Burn out.?
I know how it feels Jack.
Sitting back a round is harder still imo.
The finger is always going to be on a trigger.
Fighters are not as easy to come by in TE as they used to be.
Be interesting to see you at round end.